Mt.McKinley is no more

[rtz]

Denali?  That's just the prez day dreaming about retirement:

[SciFiAuthor]

It'll be interesting to see how the Republican candidates handle this. Trump just said he'd change it back.

[qaddisin]

McKinley was assassinated so to me it's like renaming the Kennedy Space Center. It just shouldn't be done.

In 1963, Lyndon Johnson signed an executive order to rename Cape Canaveral after the recently assassinated President Kennedy. Do you know what it's called today?

It's not Cape Kennedy.

Because locals didn't like the name change, the Florida State Legislature passed a law to revert it's name, and appealed to the U.S. Board of Geographic Names in 1973 to revert to the old name, and the Kennedy family obliged. The Alaskan State Legislature did the same thing for Denali in 1975, but the move was blocked by an Ohio Congressman because his district included McKinley's hometown.

[qaddisin]

Look, I understand that people get up in arms about "God-Emperor Obama" doing whatever he feels like through executive order. I'm not a fan of it myself. But for people to complain about him renaming a mountain to what the state and the people who live there want it to be called (hell, even Sarah Palin has called it Denali in the past) seems quite petty, especially since it's been politicians on the other side of the country that have stymied the name change all along.

[ItsOver]

In 1963, Lyndon Johnson signed an executive order to rename Cape Canaveral after the recently assassinated President Kennedy. Do you know what it's called today?

It's not Cape Kennedy.

Because locals didn't like the name change, so the Florida State Legislature passed a law to revert it's name, and appealed to the U.S. Board of Geographic Names in 1973 to revert to the old name, and the Kennedy family obliged. The Alaskan State Legislature did the same thing for Denali in 1975, but the move was blocked by an Ohio Congressman because his district included McKinley's hometown.

Yes, but the NASA facility remained as Kennedy Space Center.  This seems to be somewhat accurate.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/613/why-did-they-change-the-name-of-cape-kennedy-back-to-cape-canaveral

[SciFiAuthor]

In 1963, Lyndon Johnson signed an executive order to rename Cape Canaveral after the recently assassinated President Kennedy. Do you know what it's called today?

It's not Cape Kennedy.

Because locals didn't like the name change, so the Florida State Legislature passed a law to revert it's name, and appealed to the U.S. Board of Geographic Names in 1973 to revert to the old name, and the Kennedy family obliged. The Alaskan State Legislature did the same thing for Denali in 1975, but the move was blocked by an Ohio Congressman because his district included McKinley's hometown.

Yes, which is why I said Kennedy Space Center. The Cape Kennedy affair was in really bad form, The Brevard County people pushed that despite their local economy benefiting from the Apollo program for a decade. So it went back to its Spanish name -- not its native name -- which means swamp or reeds or something.

What was the Alaskan State Legislature's cited reasons?

[qaddisin]

Yes, but the NASA facility remained as Kennedy Space Center.  This seems to be somewhat accurate.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/613/why-did-they-change-the-name-of-cape-kennedy-back-to-cape-canaveral

I wasn't disputing the name of Kennedy Space Center as a federal installation, but that the entire geographical area was renamed from Cape Canaveral to Cape Kennedy by executive order. That proved to be unpopular to the local populace, and action was taken to remedy the situation. The Kennedy family could have made sure the name stayed in place the same way the Congressman Ralph Regula had done for Mount McKinley for over 20 years, but they at least had the grace to abide by the wishes of the people that actually lived there.

And even though McKinley was assassinated, he wasn't even president when the mountain was named after him. A gold prospector out of Seattle named it for him when he won the Republican nomination in 1896.

[qaddisin]

Yes, which is why I said Kennedy Space Center. The Cape Kennedy affair was in really bad form, The Brevard County people pushed that despite their local economy benefiting from the Apollo program for a decade. So it went back to its Spanish name -- not its native name -- which means swamp or reeds or something.

Bad form on whose part? The government's, or the people who live there?

What was the Alaskan State Legislature's cited reasons?

From what I understand, the mountain was called Denali by the people who lived there, even after it being officially named Mount McKinley. The state of Alaska asked the U.S. Board of Geographical Names to have the name changed from McKinley to Denali.

[Yorkshire pud]

Bad form on whose part? The government's, or the people who live there?

From what I understand, the mountain was called Denali by the people who lived there, even after it being officially named Mount McKinley. The state of Alaska asked the U.S. Board of Geographical Names to have the name changed from McKinley to Denali.

But apart from the locals calling it Denali, and it's name changed previously to McKinley and not reverted back because of a Ohio politico blocking it, it's Obama's fault? Is that the thinking of the Obama haters?

[Yorkshire pud]

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I love it when conservatives sanctimoniously quote Orwell.  Irony is fun.

Especially when he went to fight in the Spanish civil war on behalf of the Communists against Franco. As you say, irony is fun.

[qaddisin]

But apart from the locals calling it Denali, and it's name changed previously to McKinley and not reverted back because of a Ohio politico blocking it, it's Obama's fault? Is that the thinking of the Obama haters?

He did something that Alaska wanted to do for 40 years, that the two Republican senators from the state ASKED him to do, and now he's being vilified because secret Muslim socialist presidents shouldn't be allowed to have the same powers as other presidents.

There's plenty of things to be upset with Obama about, and this is not one of them. Throwing a fit about it just makes them look obstinate and incoherent.

[Yorkshire pud]

He did something that Alaska wanted to do for 40 years, that the two Republican senators from the state ASKED him to do, and now he's being vilified because secret Muslim socialist presidents shouldn't be allowed to have the same powers as other presidents.

There's plenty of things to be upset with Obama about, and this is not one of them. Throwing a fit about it just makes them look obstinate and incoherent.

Surely not?? 

[SredniVashtar]

Especially when he went to fight in the Spanish civil war on behalf of the Communists against Franco. As you say, irony is fun.

And got shot in the throat. And almost murdered by his (supposedly) own side in Barcelona when the Soviets tried to put the brakes on. It's really difficult to talk about conservative and socialist when talking about Orwell because things have changed so much. He was conservative in the sense of opposing the Soviets (the only bit that conservatives these days like, or pay any attention to; and the reason he is still a slightly suspect figure on the British left, even today), but he still called himself a Socialist. I suppose you could call him conservative about opposing tyrannies (where he was critical of the 'pansy left') and socialist about everything else.

I don't suppose people who toss around the word 'Orwellian' have paid much attention to his non-fiction works like 'Homage to Catalonia'.

[albrecht]

And got shot in the throat. And almost murdered by his (supposedly) own side in Barcelona when the Soviets tried to put the brakes on. It's really difficult to talk about conservative and socialist when talking about Orwell because things have changed so much. He was conservative in the sense of opposing the Soviets (the only bit that conservatives these days like, or pay any attention to; and the reason he is still a slightly suspect figure on the British left, even today), but he still called himself a Socialist. I suppose you could call him conservative about opposing tyrannies (where he was critical of the 'pansy left') and socialist about everything else.

I don't suppose people who toss around the word 'Orwellian' have paid much attention to his non-fiction works like 'Homage to Catalonia'.

Heck we were allied with Uncle Joe and the Soviets but I wouldn't call most people in Allied Power communists or Stalinists. Sometimes you have to go with what is out there against the worse enemy. Personally, although we see some of the Orwell stuff in the political correctness and constant war policies that the "new world order," to use the popular phrase of the past few decades is coming by more of a Huxley-style: with much of society asking for it by clamoring for the latest gadget (tracking device,) lack of privacy and government spying (social media,) giving up books and information for cheap, base entertainment (tv and reality shows, porn, infotainment "news" and sports,) and drugs (both illegal and legal) to escape problems or numb oneself.

[136 or 142]

Couple comments from here:
http://www.adn.com/article/20150610/obama-administration-doesnt-object-mount-mckinley-name-change

Brad Knight · Palmer, Alaska
If there's going to be money wasted on a stupid debate like this, someone should submit a bill to change the name of Ohio to that of an obscure Alaska native elder.
Like · Reply · 4 · Jun 11, 2015 11:03am

Hugh Wade · Broker/Owner at Spire Commercial Real Estate
Obama is taking this country straight down the toilet and this is another prime example. Vacating sacred names chosen randomly by the power structure from our ancestors, decades ago. A travesty, I say, no respect for tradition, everything has to change, including the gender of people getting married. He'll likely ask everyone to abandon or change religions next, and capitalism is in peril. Lastly, he enables those who expect everything to be given to them, like healthcare as a basic right. Do you think the serfs in the Dark Ages expected healthcare as a basic right? Oh, heck no, full speed to the future in reverse! I hate that guy and so do most Americans and especially Alaskans.

The entire discussion on the Hugh Wade post is very creative.

[b_dubb]

This is all the result of the policies and philosophies of the elite, intellectually-superior, science-based, lunatic liberal left.

Y'all laugh -- blood is coming to the streets of America, and YOU are the cause of it.

Science is for crazy fuckers. So is reason. And logic.

Praise the lord and pass the placebo

[Yorkshire pud]

Science is for crazy fuckers. So is reason. And logic.

Praise the lord and pass the placebo

I'm not entirely convinced you think Karl is a full shilling. Just a feeling.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Mount McKinley is only the beginning.  Sources said to be totally reliable report that Obama is going to issue an executive order changing the name of Pikes Peak to Bill Ayers Rock. 

You don't even want to know about his plans for Mount Alinsky, known for the time being as Mount Rushmore.

[Yorkshire pud]

Mount McKinley is only the beginning.  Sources said to be totally reliable report that Obama is going to issue an executive order changing the name of Pikes Peak to Bill Ayers Rock. 

You don't even want to know about his plans for Mount Alinsky, known for the time being as Mount Rushmore.

What of the rumours of Lake Superior being renamed Average Pond? And the Grand Canyon called the 'Liberal trench'?

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

What of the rumours of Lake Superior being renamed Average Pond? And the Grand Canyon called the 'Liberal trench'?

All in good time, right after he finishes fitting the Statue of Liberty for her new burka.

[ACE of CLUBS]

'The sky is falling ....... '

[Yorkshire pud]

'The sky is falling ....... '

You're not taking this seriously are you?

[Eddie Coyle]

   Utterly wistful.

[chefist]

   Utterly wistful.

hehe Cheaties...

[albrecht]

You're not taking this seriously are you?

I put nothing past this character Obama in his request for revenge. He, and his fellow travelers, already are renaming things, removing statues, calling to move graves, changing definitions of words, replacing flags, agitating for attacks on police, renaming schools, parks, and buildings, using the military for social experiments, and encouraging illegal aliens. Nothing would surprise me. It is not uncommon for radicals, leftists, religious zealots, ethnic/racial groups to rename things (in some places they like to destroy things) when they gain control or take over a country. Of course, "it can't happen here" we are told but look at Africa, the Middle-East, what happened during the English Civil War, the Reformation, the French Revolution, and Asia. Sometimes benign, Bombay is now Mumbai etc and sometimes bad (Muslims blowing up ancient Roman, Christian, Zoroastrian, Buddahist, etc ruins and structures.) Obama and his adherents aren't the only people who try to erase, or "change," the past in an attempt to "fundamentally transform" a country or region or society.

I don't have a problem with the Mt.McKinley name change because most in the State already called it Denali and the park is already called Denali but I don't like how some Federal agency, created not by Congress, but by Executive Order can willy-nilly by decree rename whatever they wish.

[Eddie Coyle]

hehe Cheaties...

    To be a football fan in Boston is to need 20 Advil a day.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I put nothing past this character Obama in his request for revenge. He, and his fellow travelers, already are renaming things, removing statues, calling to move graves, changing definitions of words, replacing flags, agitating for attacks on police, renaming schools, parks, and buildings, using the military for social experiments, and encouraging illegal aliens. Nothing would surprise me. It is not uncommon for radicals, leftists, religious zealots, ethnic/racial groups to rename things (in some places they like to destroy things) when they gain control or take over a country. Of course, "it can't happen here" we are told but look at Africa, the Middle-East, what happened during the English Civil War, the Reformation, the French Revolution, and Asia. Sometimes benign, Bombay is now Mumbai etc and sometimes bad (Muslims blowing up ancient Roman, Christian, Zoroastrian, Buddahist, etc ruins and structures.) Obama and his adherents aren't the only people who try to erase, or "change," the past in an attempt to "fundamentally transform" a country or region or society.

I don't have a problem with the Mt.McKinley name change because most in the State already called it Denali and the park is already called Denali but I don't like how some Federal agency, created not by Congress, but by Executive Order can willy-nilly by decree rename whatever they wish.

A perfect example of that was changing the name Constantinople to Istanbul.  Apologists will try to tell you that Constantinople getting the works is nobody's business but the Turks', but they're wrong; it's everybody's business and the sooner we wake up and accept that, the better.

[albrecht]

A perfect example of that was changing the name Constantinople to Istanbul.  Apologists will try to tell you that Constantinople getting the works is nobody's business but the Turks', but they're wrong; it's everybody's business and the sooner we wake up and accept that, the better.

And and giving Kosovo to the Muslims. Clinton even bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade to support those radicals Muslims (yeah, CIA/NATO has NO idea where embassies are!) Yeah, the Serbs were mean and doing atrocities but, sad to say, that is what Muslims were doing (and are doing all over the wolrd.) And what saved Europe from the Muslim hordes centuries ago (Turks often using captured Christian child slaves and raised to become elite units to guard the Ottoman despots: Janissaries etc.) So fight fire with fire, and Mehmed II turned away seeing sorched earth and 10's of thousands of his troops on pikes by Vlad III. But the various German, Hungarian, etc royalty for political reasons vilified him in popular myth. King Jan Sobieski saved Europe also but look what's happened to Poland/Lithuania afterwards. Anyway the history is a long one but, unlike us, the Muslims are still at it.

[NowhereInTime]

Your absurd juvenile conduct since the day I posted a photo of my wife and child says everything I always knew about you.

Took you 3 years to figure out I just don't like you?  Perceptive.

You're a human piece of shit.

And this is why.  Your constant overreaction screams "feeble insecurities".  You feel it's okay to come on here with your bombastic demagoguery and then pull the "ad homina homina homina, who me?" innocent ingenue routine.

You exhibit chronic overcompensation for your obvious homosexual tendencies (Putin infatuation, for one obvious example) and you exhibit chronic overcompensation for an obviously small male organ. 

You froth at the mouth in response for a simple dick joke and then rage about how you "put 500 down range". At least you can shoot something.  I have no doubt your wife longs for a man's touch (and a man's cock, too).

I would call you a human piece of shit in return, but I trip over calling you "human".  Fucking self loathing animal.

[136 or 142]

I would call you a human piece of shit in return, but I trip over calling you "human".  Fucking self loathing animal.

Calling Slow Karl an 'animal' is an insult to animals (I know, not very original.)  I prefer to simply call it a Thing.