20150729 - Preston Dennett - UFOs/Paranormal - Live Chat Thread

[GuerrillaUnReal]

As much as I made fun of this guest, he was pretty good and I think this was my favorite interview so far this week. I'm deeply interested in OBEs and Astral Projection, so this was up my alley. I'd be happy to hear this guest again when it's fresh to have him back.

[zeebo]

Dyson  spheres,  loved that episode of TNG.  Long live Scotty!

The scene with Picard and Scotty having a drink is one of my all-time faves.

[SciFiAuthor]

Dyson  spheres,  loved that episode of TNG.  Long live Scotty!

I really wish someone would realize that John von Neumann had just as interesting ideas as Tesla did. Tons of people writing about Tesla, almost no one writing about von Neumann other than the deceased Arthur C. Clarke. If there are any hopefuls in the speculative science field reading Bellgab, if you want something new and don't want to fixate on Tesla, dig into von Neumann.

[Dr.Pepper]

No offense, but it sounds like a classic hypnogogic event where you awaken but your body is still asleep (paralyzed) and you hallucinate a great pressure on your body from above. Of course, if there was anything moving in and out of your ass, then you may have had a incubus making love to you.

Oh wow.  I didn't know that.  Thanks for the info.  Interesting reading.

[Xitheron]

I really wish someone would realize that John von Neumann had just as interesting ideas as Tesla did. Tons of people writing about Tesla, almost no one writing about von Neumann other than the deceased Arthur C. Clarke. If there are any hopefuls in the speculative science field reading Bellgab, if you want something new and don't want to fixate on Tesla, dig into von Neumann.

Wow just wiki'd this guy. I'm going to look in to him more. Thanks for the reference

[rca]

That was a good show. I'm not that into OBE's but it was interesting nonetheless

[SciFiAuthor]

Wow just wiki'd this guy. I'm going to look in to him more. Thanks for the reference

Write a book about it!

[scottydawg]

sorry change it?

No, don't you dare! it reminds me of
A. Someone kissing up to the boss.
B. A politician sucking up to a big campaign donor just before the election!

[Uncle Duke]

Yeah, Duke, but there just aren't very many guests out there than can deliver what Hancock does and the show must provide 4 guests a week. I mean, you can't manufacture guests and many of the good ones from the old days are dead. So let's be constructive and come up with some and post them. I'm sure Art and Dr. J read the live show threads, so let's come up with some suggestions. I gave mine. I'll give more. Federico Pistono about technological unemployment. J. Storrs Hall about nanotechnology. Freeman Dyson on Climate Change.

Give suggestions. Let's be productive.

Col John Alexander
Nick Pope
Bruce Maccabee
Edgar Mitchell
Mack Maloney
Peter Davenport
Any of the Rendelsham Forest witnesses
Members of the Roadrunners and/or Pioneers of Stealth
Travis Walton
Robert Zimmerman
John Batchelor

So that's about 15 people, plus I could recommend an equal number of authors in multiple fields, but I'd have to match names with books.

[SciFiAuthor]

Col John Alexander
Nick Pope
Bruce Maccabee
Edgar Mitchell
Mack Maloney
Peter Davenport
Any of the Rendelsham Forest witnesses
Members of the Roadrunners and/or Pioneers of Stealth
Travis Walton
Robert Zimmerman
John Batchelor

So that's about 15 people, plus I could recommend an equal number of authors in multiple fields, but I'd have to match names with books.

Fair enough and I agree. Zimmerman is out though, he's not allowed to appear with Art now that he's Dave's science advisor apparently.

[saucerlike]

So understanding that animals have been hunted, killed, domesticated, raised for purposes of eating them, and not selectively getting upset, and hysterical over one out of a billion means I don't have a soul?

You can selectively fuck off. 

[akwilly]

I really wish someone would realize that John von Neumann had just as interesting ideas as Tesla did. Tons of people writing about Tesla, almost no one writing about von Neumann other than the deceased Arthur C. Clarke. If there are any hopefuls in the speculative science field reading Bellgab, if you want something new and don't want to fixate on Tesla, dig into von Neumann.

wow, checked him out. thanks I am goinga read more on him. I can't believe I never heard of the guy

[SciFiAuthor]

wow, checked him out. thanks I am goinga read more on him. I can't believe I never heard of the guy

Pisses me off. Some brilliant people get massive attention and some get no attention at all.

[zeebo]

Pisses me off. Some brilliant people get massive attention and some get no attention at all.

So true, e.g. in computer tech. certain luminaries are always mentioned, but not so much the pioneers of the C language or network protocols or relational database theory - all of which have been hugely important in computer systems.

[SciFiAuthor]

So true, e.g. in computer tech. certain luminaries are always mentioned, but not so much the pioneers of the C language or network protocols or relational database theory - all of which have been hugely important in computer systems.

To this day, how many people know who Alan Turing was?

[Never2Late]

I'm sorry I missed the show.  I'd read it was about UFOs again so I didn't make the effort.

I am also a lucid dreamer.  Not nearly as often as I'd like to be, but I've had many.  They've largely come in groups.  And then not again for a long time, then again several nights in a row.  They can be terrifying at first, but by the third night I'm so comfortable (and still occasionally terrified) that I go in with a plan of specific things I'd like to do or, mainly, people I'd like to see.  Departed parents (heartwreching and amazinggg), old girlfriends (same), friends, what have you. 

I've often thought that some alien abductions are simply lucid dreams where the dreamer isn't aware that they're dreaming, let alone that there's the possibility of control.  Their surroundings are created by their minds.  Their fears and expectations then play out before their very eyes.  They're creating it, they just don't know that they are.  That would explain why the "greys" are so common.  It's because that's what people expect to see so their mind forms it. 

Whenever I hear a tale of alien abduction, I listen with an ear to if it could be a lucid dream, and it almost always makes perfect sense to me that it could very well be. 

If you feel you might be lucid dreaming, btw, but it's fleeting and won't stick?  Rub your hands together.  It'll ground you.  Then have at it. 

[Royal_Tenenbaum]

I'm sorry I missed the show.  I'd read it was about UFOs again so I didn't make the effort.

I am also a lucid dreamer.  Not nearly as often as I'd like to be, but I've had many.  They've largely come in groups.  And then not again for a long time, then again several nights in a row.  They can be terrifying at first, but by the third night I'm so comfortable (and still occasionally terrified) that I go in with a plan of specific things I'd like to do or, mainly, people I'd like to see.  Departed parents (heartwreching and amazinggg), old girlfriends (same), friends, what have you. 

I've often thought that some alien abductions are simply lucid dreams where the dreamer isn't aware that they're dreaming, let alone that there's the possibility of control.  Their surroundings are created by their minds.  Their fears and expectations then play out before their very eyes.  They're creating it, they just don't know that they are.  That would explain why the "greys" are so common.  It's because that's what people expect to see so their mind forms it. 

Whenever I hear a tale of alien abduction, I listen with an ear to if it could be a lucid dream, and it almost always makes perfect sense to me that it could very well be. 

If you feel you might be lucid dreaming, btw, but it's fleeting and won't stick?  Rub your hands together.  It'll ground you.  Then have at it.

I have lucid dreams once in a while. It is the ultimate playground. I hope Art has Albert Taylor back on soon. He is such a pleasant guest.

[CantFindTVRemote]

Same!

Agreed.

[Robert]

No, and no.  It just means you're aware you're dreaming.  Doesn't have to be especially vivid, doesn't always come with control.

Like for instance this morning I had a lucid dream.  I'd awoken with both calves cramping (never happened to me before), went back to sleep, & dreamed I was like the man who came to dinner, unable to walk normally, & staying at the home of some people I didn't know in waking life.  I found the bathrooms, then went back to try to use a luxury bathroom I'd seen there, but it wasn't.  I thought, well, of course, in a dream you can go down the same hallway twice & the rooms off it don't necessarily stay the same.  But I didn't take control & manifest the room I wanted, or even to make my legs feel better; I just went with the flow, thinking it was interesting.

[Inglorious Bitch]

I'm listening to the interview now with Dennet. Does this guy giggle the entire 3 hours?!

[Robert]

Can someone explain, what was the cord they were talking about, that sometimes you can see if you look for it?

Somewhere (probably a writing by Robert Blumetti) I read of it as like a rock-climbing tool that one can use while faring forth astrally to ascend or  descend levels.

[Robert]

Love hearing "Orinoco Flow".

See if you like it mashed up by Neil Cicierega:

https://soundcloud.com/neilcic/smooth-flow

I love it.  I picture it as this guy in the audience singing back lovingly to Enya as she performs in a club.

[Robert]

I really wish someone would realize that John von Neumann had just as interesting ideas as Tesla did. Tons of people writing about Tesla, almost no one writing about von Neumann other than the deceased Arthur C. Clarke. If there are any hopefuls in the speculative science field reading Bellgab, if you want something new and don't want to fixate on Tesla, dig into von Neumann.

He 1st came to my att'n 45 yrs. ago as the subject of a film shown in a HS geometry class.  It was one of several films we viewed in that class at the end of the school yr., and we voted it #1 by far.

[ZomZom]

The caller who closed out the penultimate half-hour was great.  The maniacally-giggling guest, not so much.  His mic was too close to his mouth and his audio sounded like the treble was pushed too high or something.

I enjoy the topic, but as a superset of remote viewing some of these claims should be easily testable.  Asking for a description of the room on the other side of the allegedly-traversed wall ought to do it.  Disapointed Art didn't ask this.  Without passing such a test, these claims are indistinquishable from dreams, hoaxes, or an active imagination.

To the extent I could suspend disbelief (and the guest's voice) I enjoyed the show, which is still among the best programming I've heard all year.

[centaurie]

I'd have stayed up if I knew it was about OBE/Astral Travel....

Regarding that cube UFO, anyone else reckon someone is filming a Star Trek fan film? Looks way too much like a Borg Cube to me.

[CornyCrow]

As much as I made fun of this guest, he was pretty good and I think this was my favorite interview so far this week. I'm deeply interested in OBEs and Astral Projection, so this was up my alley. I'd be happy to hear this guest again when it's fresh to have him back.

Me, too.  I found him very upbeat and credible.  He made me want to try to do this.  The idea of just asking yourself, several times in the day, 'Am I in my body now?' is a technique I've never heard before. 

I actually am getting his book on kindle.  The only other books I've gotten from a talk show are two by Graham Hancock and a book by Jonathan Hari (about legalizing drugs).  Hari was on 'the other show' some time ago and also seemed very upbeat and hopeful and someone whom you do not have to drag information out of.  I think Art might like to interview him.

[conbrio]

The killer and his prize

Fuckin scumbag bastard, I would love to skin him, ALIVE.

[The Coincidence Kid]

I've gotten to the buzzing and what not, which is scary, but what always trips me up is that my breathing becomes rapid to the point that it throws off my concentration (or deep lack of concentration) off completely.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

I really wish someone would realize that John von Neumann had just as interesting ideas as Tesla did. Tons of people writing about Tesla, almost no one writing about von Neumann other than the deceased Arthur C. Clarke. If there are any hopefuls in the speculative science field reading Bellgab, if you want something new and don't want to fixate on Tesla, dig into von Neumann.

William Poundstone wrote a book about von Neumann. The Prisoner's Dillema.
He's also written about in RAND corp histories and the like.

Can someone explain, what was the cord they were talking about, that sometimes you can see if you look for it?

The silver cord connects your body to your spirit self when you travel through the Astral Plane.
Check your 1e AD&D Player's Handbook, page 148.

[SciFiAuthor]

William Poundstone wrote a book about von Neumann. The Prisoner's Dillema.
He's also written about in RAND corp histories and the like.

I haven't read the Poundstone book, I'll check that out. Von Neumann's ideas about futurism and future tech were truly visionary, yet remain largely unknown. He was the person that first coined the term "technological singularity" of Ray Kurzweil fame and he also invented the concept of self-replicating von Neumann machines, i.e. the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey.