The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[norland2424]

I am not subscribed but hearing Podcast not included I hear that Hoagland heavily edited his open lines show. What a dick. Its ironic that he blames NASA for editing stuff yet he does the same thing.

To be fair its keith that edits the shows.

[Sandra Kristen]

Jim Stott · Concordia University
Enjoyed immensely tonight's program ... your guest was one of your best ever and to top it of there was great synergy between you and Dr Farrell. He has mastery over a great deal of subject matters ... hope you bring him back soon!
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Michael McEffin Mattox · Indianapolis, Indiana
Fascinating show, guys! Thank you.
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Absolutely amazing how stupid some people are. Even more so that they so proudly show and admit it.

I am seriously considering taking a break from paranormal radio for a bit. Last night's show, along with Art wanting to Nuke people, has made a fun nostalgic trip to the 90s into a very troubling experience.

[Freyja]

It may be true and it may not be true.  We will never know.  But one thing's for sure...finding a Syrian passport on one or more of the perpetrators is as good as getting a green light to manufacture some more ammo.

Ammo for whom?

So we are to believe that a person blows himself/herself up...there are only body parts left, yet there is a pristine passport just lying there?...whether it's a legit one or not?!?!...come on....really?

[Auslandia]

Ammo for whom?

So we are to believe that a person blows himself/herself up...there are only body parts left, yet there is a pristine passport just lying there?...whether it's a legit one or not?!?!...come on....really?

Ammo for all the numbnuts who will lead American forces into Syria thereby creating new hordes of Islamic extremists thereby starting the circle of pain all over again.

[Freyja]

Jim Stott · Concordia University
Enjoyed immensely tonight's program ... your guest was one of your best ever and to top it of there was great synergy between you and Dr Farrell. He has mastery over a great deal of subject matters ... hope you bring him back soon!
Like · Reply · 13 hrs

Michael McEffin Mattox · Indianapolis, Indiana
Fascinating show, guys! Thank you.
Like · Reply · 14 hrs

Absolutely amazing how stupid some people are. Even more so that they so proudly show and admit it.

I am seriously considering taking a break from paranormal radio for a bit. Last night's show, along with Art wanting to Nuke people, has made a fun nostalgic trip to the 90s into a very troubling experience.

Quite frankly Art's comments about nuking people makes me more than ill and sad.

I betcha that's exactly how the people in Iraq and Afghanistan feel about us here in NA after years of us killing, maiming and poisoning them their country, their villages and their people....and for what?

People seem to forget that both Al Queda and ISIS were once useful to the PTB....trained and created.  Where the hell do you think they got their funding and training from in addition to the Saudi's?

"Nothing is as it seems" - Art Bell

Question everything from ALL sources...listen...somewhere within all the BS lies the truth, regardless of where it comes from.

[Freyja]

Ammo for all the numbnuts who will lead American forces into Syria thereby creating new hordes of Islamic extremists thereby starting the circle of pain all over again.

Gotcha....agreed 

[Inglorious Bitch]

Question everything from ALL sources...listen...somewhere within all the BS lies the truth, regardless of where it comes from.

Hear! Hear!

[GravitySucks]

Hear! Hear!

Hear what?

[Inglorious Bitch]

Hear what?

I'm in the process of getting ready to make it. 

[GravitySucks]

I'm in the process of getting ready to make it. 

Don't forget the....butter

[henge0stone]

Quite frankly Art's comments about nuking people makes me more than ill and sad.

I betcha that's exactly how the people in Iraq and Afghanistan feel about us here in NA after years of us killing, maiming and poisoning them their country, their villages and their people....and for what?

People seem to forget that both Al Queda and ISIS were once useful to the PTB....trained and created.  Where the hell do you think they got their funding and training from in addition to the Saudi's?

"Nothing is as it seems" - Art Bell

Question everything from ALL sources...listen...somewhere within all the BS lies the truth, regardless of where it comes from.

Certainly your not suggesting that these countries in the middle east were peaceful wonderful societies until we horrible Americans came in there? Terrorist in the Middle east have been blowing up mosques and committing horrible attacks on their fellow citizens long before America showed up.

After 9/11 I think the invasion of Afghanistan was perfectly justified given the fact that the government was sponsoring the Al Queda terrorists. it was a coalition at that time and many countries were behind us.

After that Iraq and every almost every other action in the Middle east was a mistake, but to pretend like the Middle east wasn't screwed up before we got there is a mistake.

Just because we funded Al Queda at one point (when they were fighting the USSR I think? could be wrong) doesn't give them the right to kill innocent people here or in the middle east, or anywhere else.

I always find it funny that its okay for Isis and radical terrorist groups to want us dead (even before 2001 they hated us for backing Israel) yet when someone like Art says they want to nuke and kill the terrorists who only want death to us its suddenly inappropriate.

Isis only formed after we left Iraq, and yes we may have created a power vacuum for them to form, but that doesn't give them the right to indiscriminately kill and commit terror. 

[norland2424]

Jim Stott · Concordia University
Enjoyed immensely tonight's program ... your guest was one of your best ever and to top it of there was great synergy between you and Dr Farrell. He has mastery over a great deal of subject matters ... hope you bring him back soon!
Like · Reply · 13 hrs

Michael McEffin Mattox · Indianapolis, Indiana
Fascinating show, guys! Thank you.
Like · Reply · 14 hrs

Absolutely amazing how stupid some people are. Even more so that they so proudly show and admit it.

I am seriously considering taking a break from paranormal radio for a bit. Last night's show, along with Art wanting to Nuke people, has made a fun nostalgic trip to the 90s into a very troubling experience.

Arts show is about aliens tonight , i doubt terrorists will be brought up, and you cant blame a 70 year old ex Airforce vet for wanting to nuke something, diff way of thinking then our generation

[Freyja]

Certainly your not suggesting that these countries in the middle east were peaceful wonderful societies until we horrible Americans came in there? Terrorist in the Middle east have been blowing up mosques and committing horrible attacks on their fellow citizens long before America showed up.

True, however there have been many atrocities on this planet and societies that commit horrific acts upon their people: Cambodia, China, ....so why did America show up? Selective caring for those or self interest? What about the countries in Africa? ...and NO i'm not. I am saying/asking why did America show up?

After 9/11 I think the invasion of Afghanistan was perfectly justified given the fact that the government was sponsoring the Al Queda terrorists. it was a coalition at that time and many countries were behind us.

Really?...you can't be serious. The fact is America and the CIA created Al Queda...they trained Bin Laden on their own soil.

After that Iraq and every almost every other action in the Middle east was a mistake, but to pretend like the Middle east wasn't screwed up before we got there is a mistake.

Agreed. However consider this. What society on this planet isn't "screwed up"? Who is anyone to judge and want to invade and kill for that? Just like America portrays this Middle East is screwed up, so do the others on the other side of the fence who think that maybe America is screwed up. So who's right and who has the right to go in there, anywhere and kill people because of their POV and believes it is justified?!?!?

There is no altruism in any of this. It's all about power, $$ and back room deals by the power brokers who rule this planet.

How would you feel if you live in a small village somewhere( or some town in the US) , and some military force comes in and bombs, kills and maims all your family, friends and neighbours who have been living the way they have been for decades if not centuries?...because they want to give your "their freedom"...or so they say.   

Just because we funded Al Queda at one point (when they were fighting the USSR I think? could be wrong) doesn't give them the right to kill innocent people here or in the middle east, or anywhere else.

No it doesn't. However ask yourself this. Why did the US fund Al Queda? Why did they create and train Al Queda? ...and then all of a sudden they turn into global enemy #1! After that, they support Al Queda when it's in their best interests. Now Al Queda is no longer the big "evil doer" and along comes ISIS.

I always find it funny that its okay for Isis and radical terrorist groups to want us dead (even before 2001 they hated us for backing Israel) yet when someone like Art says they want to nuke and kill the terrorists who only want death to us its suddenly inappropriate.

Isis only formed after we left Iraq, and yes we may have created a power vacuum for them to form, but that doesn't give them the right to indiscriminately kill and commit terror.

There is nothing funny about any of this. Does the US have any remorse for destroying the lives of thousands of people in the ruse first of WMD and then "freedom"? ...all of which was pure BS.

Who asked the US to intervene?...surely not any of the people in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Prior to that, they lived their lives, good or bad just like we do.

If I was an Afghani or and Iraqui, I would say that the only terrorists that I would see are the US for "indiscriminately killing and committing terror" against my people. Sadly, IMHO they will never forget as you wouldn't if you or I were in their shoes.

All this said, I agree with Farrel last night. The agenda is much wider that all of the above...just what it is who knows.

[Sandra Kristen]

I always find it funny that its okay for Isis and radical terrorist groups to want us dead (even before 2001 they hated us for backing Israel) yet when someone like Art says they want to nuke and kill the terrorists who only want death to us its suddenly inappropriate.

Isis only formed after we left Iraq, and yes we may have created a power vacuum for them to form, but that doesn't give them the right to indiscriminately kill and commit terror.

No one has ever said it's okay for Daesh and other radical terrorist groups to want us dead. I don't know how you came to those conclusions. Art's comments are inappropriate because he wants to NUKE them. Nuke them where exactly? It's that type of lack of regard for human life, and civilian causalities, that makes Daesh and these other groups feel justified to attack. We've killed more innocents, in our wars, than they have with their terrorist attacks. Just some perspective. Why is it okay for us to want to nuke them and condemn them for wanting to do the same to us for revenge? It's a vicious cycle, which is why great care needs to be taken when we do attack them.

Daesh wasn't created after we left Iraq. The roots go back to 1999. After the US invaded Iraq they merged with a bunch of other groups and became known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (they have a different name in Arabic obviously but they were known in the west as Al-Qaeda in Iraq. By 2006 or so they were calling themselves Islamic State in Iraq. They didn't break from Al-Qaeda until their leader decided he wanted to merge the two Al-Qaeda groups and proclaim himself the head of it. The Syrian group balked at that and thus the split from Al-Qaeda.

[norland2424]

True, however there have been many atrocities on this planet and societies that commit horrific acts upon their people: Cambodia, China, ....so why did America show up? Selective caring for those or self interest? What about the countries in Africa? ...and NO i'm not. I am saying/asking why did America show up?

]quote]After 9/11 I think the invasion of Afghanistan was perfectly justified given the fact that the government was sponsoring the Al Queda terrorists. it was a coalition at that time and many countries were behind us.

Really?...you can't be serious. The fact is America and the CIA created Al Queda...they trained Bin Laden on their own soil.

Agreed. However consider this. What society on this planet isn't "screwed up"? Who is anyone to judge and want to invade and kill for that? Just like America portrays this Middle East is screwed up, so do the others on the other side of the fence who think that maybe America is screwed up. So who's right and who has the right to go in there, anywhere and kill people because of their POV and believes it is justified?!?!?

There is no altruism in any of this. It's all about power, $$ and back room deals by the power brokers who rule this planet.

How would you feel if you live in a small village somewhere( or some town in the US) , and some military force comes in and bombs, kills and maims all your family, friends and neighbours who have been living the way they have been for decades if not centuries?...because they want to give your "their freedom"...or so they say.   



No it doesn't. However ask yourself this. Why did the US fund Al Queda? Why did they create and train Al Queda? ...and then all of a sudden they turn into global enemy #1! After that, they support Al Queda when it's in their best interests. Now Al Queda is no longer the big "evil doer" and along comes ISIS.

]quote]I always find it funny that its okay for Isis and radical terrorist groups to want us dead (even before 2001 they hated us for backing Israel) yet when someone like Art says they want to nuke and kill the terrorists who only want death to us its suddenly inappropriate.

Isis only formed after we left Iraq, and yes we may have created a power vacuum for them to form, but that doesn't give them the right to indiscriminately kill and commit terror.


There is nothing funny about any of this. Does the US have any remorse for destroying the lives of thousands of people in the ruse first of WMD and then "freedom"? ...all of which was pure BS.

Who asked the US to intervene?...surely not any of the people in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Prior to that, they lived their lives, good or bad just like we do.

If I was an Afghani or and Iraqui, I would say that the only terrorists that I would see are the US for "indiscriminately killing and committing terror" against my people. Sadly, IMHO they will never forget as you wouldn't if you or I were in their shoes.

All this said, I agree with Farrel last night. The agenda is much wider that all of the above...just what it is who knows.

Lol you sound as brainwashed as the ones who think that the usa is 100% innocent.

[Freyja]

Lol you sound as brainwashed as the ones who think that the usa is 100% innocent.

USA innocent?!!?...maybe you need to learn how to read and comprehend....sheesh....

[norland2424]

USA innocent?!!?...maybe you need to learn how to read and comprehend....sheesh....

So do you , the usa isn't the evil empire that you claim it to be, with that same token its not the utopia of freedom either, get it?

[trostol]

Certainly your not suggesting that these countries in the middle east were peaceful wonderful societies until we horrible Americans came in there? Terrorist in the Middle east have been blowing up mosques and committing horrible attacks on their fellow citizens long before America showed up.

After 9/11 I think the invasion of Afghanistan was perfectly justified given the fact that the government was sponsoring the Al Queda terrorists. it was a coalition at that time and many countries were behind us.

After that Iraq and every almost every other action in the Middle east was a mistake, but to pretend like the Middle east wasn't screwed up before we got there is a mistake.

Just because we funded Al Queda at one point (when they were fighting the USSR I think? could be wrong) doesn't give them the right to kill innocent people here or in the middle east, or anywhere else.

I always find it funny that its okay for Isis and radical terrorist groups to want us dead (even before 2001 they hated us for backing Israel) yet when someone like Art says they want to nuke and kill the terrorists who only want death to us its suddenly inappropriate.

Isis only formed after we left Iraq, and yes we may have created a power vacuum for them to form, but that doesn't give them the right to indiscriminately kill and commit terror.

in the end..Nukes do not solve anything but make the world as a whole worse off

[norland2424]

Besides Hoagland already told us that space nazi/jews did it so we can all stfu about things we have no control over lol.

[norland2424]

in the end..Nukes do not solve anything but make the world as a whole worse off

Im still waiting for Hoagland to do a show on fo4 so he can tell us its the government training us for our future lol.

[bateman]

in the end..Nukes do not solve anything but make the world as a whole worse off

That's what these babies are for. All of the blast, none of the radiation.

https://youtu.be/HWveLHVG7mo

[norland2424]

That's what these babies are for. All of the blast, none of the radiation.

https://youtu.be/HWveLHVG7mo

Lol thats not a weapon, just an ammo dump blowing up.

[Sandra Kristen]

Arts show is about aliens tonight , i doubt terrorists will be brought up, and you cant blame a 70 year old ex Airforce vet for wanting to nuke something, diff way of thinking then our generation

It's easy to say Generation Gap but John Kerry is 71, and a combat vet, and thankfully isn't batshit insane enough to want to nuke things. Bernie is 74 and the younglings love him.

It's really hard for me to view Art the same way after he said that. What am I even supporting by listening to him? Just some nostalgic trip to the 90s and late night radio as I fell asleep? The only reason I listen is due to bellgab as most shows have been really lackluster guest wise. But even that is starting to wear on me when such things are said without challenge. I am really getting tired of the fear mongering, especially since I follow Syria very closely.

I mean UFO crazy is fun but I am not sure I am really up for it for awhile.

[norland2424]

It's easy to say Generation Gap but John Kerry is 71, and a combat vet, and thankfully isn't batshit insane enough to want to nuke things. Bernie is 74 and the younglings love him.

It's really hard for me to view Art the same way after he said that. What am I even supporting by listening to him? Just some nostalgic trip to the 90s and late night radio as I fell asleep? The only reason I listen is due to bellgab as most shows have been really lackluster guest wise. But even that is starting to wear on me when such things are said without challenge. I am really getting tired of the fear mongering, especially since I follow Syria very closely.

I mean UFO crazy is fun but I am not sure I am really up for it for awhile.

I get ya about the guests, but i really think all of you are making a big deal about Arts nuke comment, he isnt in any position of authority nor sorry to say he is not a big celeb.

[trostol]

It's easy to say Generation Gap but John Kerry is 71, and a combat vet, and thankfully isn't batshit insane enough to want to nuke things. Bernie is 74 and the younglings love him.

It's really hard for me to view Art the same way after he said that. What am I even supporting by listening to him? Just some nostalgic trip to the 90s and late night radio as I fell asleep? The only reason I listen is due to bellgab as most shows have been really lackluster guest wise. But even that is starting to wear on me when such things are said without challenge. I am really getting tired of the fear mongering, especially since I follow Syria very closely.

I mean UFO crazy is fun but I am not sure I am really up for it for awhile.

i find i am tuning in but turning off a lot more lately..its not Art..its not so much the guests its just..some things just havent been ..to me..interesting at all

[norland2424]

Is tonight's guest an old rossy guest, he was on oct 5

[SciFiAuthor]

So do you , the usa isn't the evil empire that you claim it to be, with that same token its not the utopia of freedom either, get it?

Your reasonable attitude towards things sickens me Norland. 

[albrecht]

The 'nuke' comment was, I reckon, some emotional hyperbole. But, the interesting thing is, Muslims have been raping, slaving, and killing waaaay before there even was a USA. So to blame it all on us? I'm sure some black Africans, Armenians, sailors, internecine intra-religious warfare Sunni/Shites victims (depending on which side you are on,) Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Cypriots, Greeks, Bulgarians, etc etc etc would disagree that the "USA" caused Islam to "go bad." Slavery STILL goes on in the Muslim regions they control (both in rural areas or for domestic work- including in our countries for diplomats sometimes), as had for centuries, including during the sad chapter in our nation's history of slavery. It isn't all the USA's, or even Western Civilization's, fault.

[norland2424]

Your reasonable attitude towards things sickens me Norland. 

Lol it just bugs me when people don't really see that in most cases governments fall in shades of grey then anything else.

[GravitySucks]

I get ya about the guests, but i really think all of you are making a big deal about Arts nuke comment, he isnt in any position of authority nor sorry to say he is not a big celeb.

If I was in charge, there would be a 30 minute infomercial on Al Jazeera that would announce that the next act of terror by ANY Islamic terrorist ANYWHERE in the world, and a nuke would be launched on Mecca.  Second time, on Medina, 3rd time, simultaneous strikes on Tehran and Riyadh.  Lesser infractions such as speeding tickets and parking fines would only result in carpet bombing of the aforementioned targets by B52s.