The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[swordpoint9]

This is a rebroadcast from Sept 08. on the DMDN stream. Are we talking about the same streams ?

OK Yes we are Been back on it since Hoaxland ended !

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

How is it Going Sandman ?

'Mornin SP9.
Hoagy bailed. Couldn't take the heat so he put out a rebroadcast.We had about 3 different streams peeps had fired up. Made for some interesting conversations.  

[swordpoint9]

Let's put this pig to bed with a classic. Also, night everyone. BRAAPS until a better tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12kuYOQfK8

Bruuuuups To you RT Bro Sleep Well !

[Royal_Tenenbaum]

Bruuuuups To you RT Bro Sleep Well !

Night Swordpoint, Hope to hear you on the show still!

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Let's put this pig to bed with a classic. Also, night everyone. BRAAPS until a better tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12kuYOQfK8

Bwaaa - ha  - ha - ha
Classic ! ! !
Thanks R_T.
Perfect way to end the night.
Bruups till next time. 

[swordpoint9]

'Mornin SP9.
Hoagy bailed. Couldn't take the heat so he put out a rebroadcast.We had about 3 different streams peeps had fired up. Made for some interesting conversations.  

I know . I cannot believe Hoaxland bounced Saucy through abusing his Great Effort to Make Hoaxland Listenable ! I am so pissed off . I think this Page will turn into a Hoaxland Sucks page soon !

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

I know . I cannot believe Hoaxland bounced Saucy through abusing his Great Effort to Make Hoaxland Listenable ! I am so pissed off . I think this Page will turn into a Hoaxland Sucks page soon !

I'm not really sure Hoaxland bounced him. It kind of sounded like Rossy Had too much abuse from Dick. Have you checked the posts in this thread ? Yesterday alone, there were over 8 pages posted between 6am and 11pm. Lots of stuff came out of the woodwork.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

900 Pages Gabbers !   

[swordpoint9]

I call Bullshit. Greer used quite a few that are generally doesn't let go, yet Greer got away w/ it, so why would he cut Rocky. He just didn't want a Greer non-ass-sucker on the air.

Edit:  There was something funky going on w/ the show tonight. I couldn't put my finger on it, but Art seemed to be protecting Greer for some reason. Maybe he's privy to something we don't know.

I was on it and I concur . I challenged Greer and He acted like He a non-Fed of any sort had more contacts and was Read In Better . I just think Greer is a Lackie for Dis-Info when I used to think He was Only Gullible . He always Name Drops and Talks How Great The President is ,The same one who Killed NASA . Sounds to me just like Hoaxland IMHO.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

I know . I cannot believe Hoaxland bounced Saucy through abusing his Great Effort to Make Hoaxland Listenable ! I am so pissed off . I think this Page will turn into a Hoaxland Sucks page soon !

I hope not.
Too many threads in here are filled with angst and vitriol. This thread was a hell of a great time for a lot of peeps. There's a lot of smart Gabbers that come in here. We'll think of something.

[swordpoint9]

I'm not really sure Hoaxland bounced him. It kind of sounded like Rossy Had too much abuse from Dick. Have you checked the posts in this thread ? Yesterday alone, there were over 8 pages posted between 6am and 11pm. Lots of stuff came out of the woodwork.

Cool Thanks Bro .

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

I was on it and I concur . I challenged Greer and He acted like He a non-Fed of any sort had more contacts and was Read In Better . I just think Greer is a Lackie for Dis-Info when I used to think He was Only Gullible . He always Name Drops and Talks How Great The President is ,The same one who Killed NASA . Sounds to me just like Hoaxland IMHO.

They do have a lot in common  sadly.
Greer is just out to make a buck methinks.
Isn't it amazing that he knows all these different people in different fields, and all with security clearances ? I'm not saying it's not possible, but his name is Greer, not Bond.

[swordpoint9]

They do have a lot in common  sadly.
Greer is just out to make a buck methinks.
Isn't it amazing that he knows all these different people in different fields, and all with security clearances ? I'm not saying it's not possible, but his name is Greer, not Bond.

I agree . I know alot of Folks and can prove it through Pics and having worked around or with them . I have documents that prove i was there . Any Fed or Other Would have to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement , Jail time and Fines are applicable if Violated . I only speak of things I know and if I can reliably have deniability (Judicially). Anyone caught talking to Greer who runs his Mouth Constantly would garner much unwanted attention .  I have been around many Journo's and I am aware of what I say . Even If I am Drinking around them , Officially of course LOL!

[Lilith]

Hmmm, how about something Live instead?

Yes Please!!!  You're the one I'd pick if I was doing the hiring.......you and bateman!!!!!!

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

I agree . I know alot of Folks and can prove it through Pics and having worked around or with them . I have documents that prove i was there . Any Fed or Other Would have to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement , Jail time and Fines are applicable if Violated . I only speak of things I know and if I can reliably have deniability (Judicially). Anyone caught talking to Greer who runs his Mouth Constantly would garner much unwanted attention .  I have been around many Journo's and I am aware of what I say . Even If I am Drinking around them , Officially of course LOL!

LOL - Bingo I wonder if some of the [supposed] death threats he is getting, are from peeps that told him something in confidence ( not truly realizing his character ), and have their ass in hot water now.
You know, I don't believe that to be the case either. Anyone with a high level clearance, especially in sensitive, compartmentalized areas with specialized clearances, receives training and is tested even off base to see if they will talk. You do NOT receive the type of clearance he was talking about without previously proving yourself. Being prior Military and carrying a security clearance myself, his story stinks to high heaven. It's not even good entertainment anymore.

[swordpoint9]

LOL - Bingo I wonder if some of the [supposed] death threats he is getting, are from peeps that told him something in confidence ( not truly realizing his character ), and have their ass in hot water now.
You know, I don't believe that to be the case either. Anyone with a high level clearance, especially in sensitive, compartmentalized areas with specialized clearances, receives training and is tested even off base to see if they will talk. You do NOT receive the type of clearance he was talking about without previously proving yourself. Being prior Military and carrying a security clearance myself, his story stinks to high heaven. It's not even good entertainment anymore.

Yeah Really , I figured it out mostly during His Interview with Project Camelot . He was very argumentative and confrontational .  Tonight was odd though SAIC folks are Scientific Inventor types or Boardroom management Types . The Folks who do real work are from winning contracts and thus hired by SAIC as Contractors , because they have a specialty and the Abilities to be successful in the Mission . In the USA there has to be the Concern of any company that if your doing Blackbag Jobs and it gets out there will be Investigations and Prosecutions . Plausible Deniability only goes so far , IE Richard M. Nixon .. So I believe He is Feeding from people that either have Hyper active Imaginations or are Deliberately feeding Him Shit to watch Him Pedal it to the Masses . 

[Freyja]

You don't like Ian Punnett?  Nobody doesn't like Ian!  He's the best.

No, never did and was happy he left Saturday nights ( not because of his health reasons). I don't think he was ever suited to late night radio and maybe I would like him in the daylight. When he became Deacon Punnett he went more downhill IMO. Didn't care for his topics, didn't think his voice was great for setting a late night mood....anyway bottom line...no.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Yeah Really , I figured it out mostly during His Interview with Project Camelot . He was very argumentative and confrontational .  Tonight was odd though SAIC folks are Scientific Inventor types or Boardroom management Types . The Folks who do real work are from winning contracts and thus hired by SAIC as Contractors , because they have a specialty and the Abilities to be successful in the Mission . In the USA there has to be the Concern of any company that if your doing Blackbag Jobs and it gets out there will be Investigations and Prosecutions . Plausible Deniability only goes so far , IE Richard M. Nixon .. So I believe He is Feeding from people that either have Hyper active Imaginations or are Deliberately feeding Him Shit to watch Him Pedal it to the Masses . 

Both very good points.
I saw the Cammelot interview also. If it's the one I'm thinking of, there was some drama immediately proceeding it at the conference where Kerry apparently called Bravo Sierra on him and he was all agitated that he had been called out.
The interview tonight was a bit odd, but one thing that did jump out at me was that Art seemed to be able to relate to what Greer was saying about disbelievers making up shit to detract from the message he was trying to put across. Art's had to deal with all kinds of that sort of B.S. himself. (Peeps making shit up about him) I still think Greer is doing his spiel for the almighty dollar, but I have to agree that sometimes it's just as fucked up on the other side of the argument. I didn't think Rocky calling out Greer on his B.S. was out of line at all, and if a snake oil salesman is going to try to baffle you with bullshit, he better be prepared to defend his bullshit instead of getting all defensive about it and degenerating to name calling.
The name dropping though, it just grinds on me.

"Don't worry Billy, weez just hackin on ya"

"So Billy, rumor has it you killed a man"

"Yah Billy, whadja kill him fer ?"

".........He was hackin on me"

                                                         'Young Guns'

[swordpoint9]

Both very good points.
I saw the Cammelot interview also. If it's the one I'm thinking of, there was some drama immediately proceeding it at the conference where Kerry apparently called Bravo Sierra on him and he was all agitated that he had been called out.
The interview tonight was a bit odd, but one thing that did jump out at me was that Art seemed to be able to relate to what Greer was saying about disbelievers making up shit to detract from the message he was trying to put across. Art's had to deal with all kinds of that sort of B.S. himself. (Peeps making shit up about him) I still think Greer is doing his spiel for the almighty dollar, but I have to agree that sometimes it's just as fucked up on the other side of the argument. I didn't think Rocky calling out Greer on his B.S. was out of line at all, and if a snake oil salesman is going to try to baffle you with bullshit, he better be prepared to defend his bullshit instead of getting all defensive about it and degenerating to name calling.
The name dropping though, it just grinds on me.

Total agreement ! Knew I liked you for a reason

[BobGrau]

Something that bothers me somewhat... why would Hoagland be in charge of who gets paid what?

[Freyja]

Something that bothers me somewhat... why would Hoagland be in charge of who gets paid what?

Excellent question!! +1

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Bruups till tonight All 

[expat]

Can someone explain to me what happened to get everyone pissed off at Hoagie? I must have missed it.

Here's the story:
http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2015/10/bellgabbers-turn-on-hoagland.html

[whoozit]

I was never enamored with Dick.  I listened to the first few shows live and enjoyed the audio verite.  I stopped listening so I could get some sleep but continued reading the thread.  After a while I was reading that Dick was actually getting better so I got a subscription well before club 19.5.  It was fun to listen to the wacky guy and he started to talk over guests and hijack interviews less.  Rossy joined as producer and the show improved even more.  It was nice to see that Dick seemed interested and conversant on many varied subjects but I was never sure if it was genuine or the postings of a con-man.  If Dick wasn't charming he wouldn't be around hawking his weirder ideas. 

Then the perfect storm hit after Rossy left the show.  Rumors started that Dick was a hard taskmaster with unrealistic expectations.  Believing that wasn't much of a stretch.  Monday's show was a giant step back with Dick and the new producer having a personal nostalgia fest that few were interested in.  The Iron mountain show was bad too.  Dick had on guests that would agree with him and take his amplifications and run.  I also remember him saying how he jumped to look to see if there was any information about iron mountain when the presidential briefing data was released.  Actually it was a caller who looked into the data and found it.  I'm not saying he didn't do his own research later but he didn't give credit to the caller. 

You can go back and see all the revelations that have come out in the last 30+ pages or so of the thread and form your own conclusions.  I don't know Rossy so I didn't PM him.  Seems like many did.  My conclusion was that the show would continue to regress so I cancelled my subscription.  It ends on the 28th.  I'll listen 'til then and resubscribe if merited.  My impression about Dick is mostly unchanged, he seems to be a charming egomaniac.  If we met for drinks I wouldn't let him slip away to the restroom without settling the tab first.  I'm interested to know if my experience was similar to others.

[paladin1991]

Wow this thread has really blown up:
https://youtu.be/NHbPKcqJoyI

[paladin1991]

He also believes his show is forcing NASA into disclosure and that they are releasing pictures as a secret message to him

If he can't force Robin to, never mind. 

[paladin1991]

repeat, hogie is hiding tonight

Maybe he's just winding down, folks.

[TigerLily]

Just woke up *yawn* Page 900. Cool. That is all

[K_Dubb]

I took Art's brief mention of Rossy last night as a sign that he's still in the fold and they're figuring things out.  May just be hope and wishful thinking.

[paladin1991]

Now listening to Ghost to Ghost 2003. http://www.reallyweirdstuff.com/halloween-ghosttoghostradioshows.htm ready to rebellion chat to spite Hoagie and his thread.

Thanks bro, having a late breakfast.