In bello autem perdiderit procrastinators

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Amazing what a person can learn, if they want to, ain't it?

Thank you for your contribution and for the compliments made earlier. I will take efforts to improve my English too. Albrechts poem describes the soul of an ISLAM believer in very affecting words, but I can´t help to fight back against the dangers for us infedels.

[paladin1991]

Thank you for your contribution and for the compliments made earlier. I will take efforts to improve my English too. Albrechts poem describes the soul of an ISLAM believer in very affecting words, but I can´t help to fight back against the dangers for us in-fed-els.

I see what you did there.  Incorporating the FED in infidels.  Very well played, Sir.
*golf clap*

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

I see what you did there.  Incorporating the FED in infidels.

A funny orthographic mistake only, glad to have you entertained with.

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

http://www.ipg-journal.de/kolumne/artikel/das-waren-noch-kalifen-604/

My readers comment to a newspaper article concerning the IS DAWLA:

As we may interpret the relative acceptance unto theological approvement of IS by the international community of ISLAM we are in war not only with IS, but with total worlds ISLAM as I stated already before.

To immediately ban ISLAM as a direct hazard for the national integrity by all civilised nations offers a first handle. This ban has to be propagated over supranational compounds unto UNO.

A delay to this first strategic most important sanction in fight against this threat may probably lead medium-termed to a global theocracy   

[pate]

Rudolf, I read but not at all well, in fact might as well be Sanskrit for me, but I get a gestalt of sorts from the article...  I hate to do this, but here is a short video from an American cartoon that is funny (to me anyhow, and again I apologize)

I Love Hitler and Hitler Loves Me | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim

That sort of humor is forbidden in Germany, as I recall, so if you were actually able to view it, congrats!  The whole series is funny, I think if it were translated into German you'd appreciate it...

Again, my comprehension of written German is low (I still refer to it as Allemande)...

Still a noun in the last paragraph caught my eye in context.  Was is ein Diffus-Tyrannische? (sp)

My gestalt gives me a "loose tyranny"?  Is that close?

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Rudolf, I read but not at all well, in fact might as well be Sanskrit for me, but I get a gestalt of sorts from the article...  I hate to do this, but here is a short video from an American cartoon that is funny (to me anyhow, and again I apologize)

I Love Hitler and Hitler Loves Me | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim

That sort of humor is forbidden in Germany, as I recall, so if you were actually able to view it, congrats!  The whole series is funny, I think if it were translated into German you'd appreciate it...

Again, my comprehension of written German is low (I still refer to it as Allemande)...

Still a noun in the last paragraph caught my eye in context.  Was is ein Diffus-Tyrannische? (sp)

My gestalt gives me a "loose tyranny"?  Is that close?

Hitler is a dead story for me, at least because he losed the war, so he is a tragic loser, and a furious mass murderer too. Forbidden are only NS presentations to glorify these times.  Or is this sword thretening muslim a message to me? I sustain it well.

Its not my bad English alone, that could make it difficult to read my message, but also my practice to transfer information by a minimum of words.

Loose tyranny is the exact direct translation, the Islamic state provides some living basics to his citizens, in contrast to pure criminals in a law-free area, on the other hand he suppresses them by violence.

Thank you for reading my post, have a good time, Rudolf

[pate]

Rudolf,

If I could afford to send it to you I would, only this:  The Complete Venture Brothers collection seasons 1-5(?)

You need to laugh, and I think a deutshlander could at that thing, you all learn English as a second language as law or something right?  ESL here is something different completely.

It is a cartoon series written for *gasp* adults that grew up in the America(s), making fun of our facile 60's & 70's indoctrination films, I think it is well done actually...

I've watched it a few times and I think it is funnier every time (or sadder) like the clip I selected for you, the militaristic guy with the paint on his face... 

It seems to be the subtle humor I grew so fond of in Germany.  Hell, I have a picture of myself in front of a local (then prolly not now) bar/communist HQ.  Makes me a commie I guess...

The Hitler references in that thing were probably a bit over the top for you, we didn't outlaw ridicule.  Ridicule, such a truthful word.

Rudolf, look at my country without the filter of the word NAZI and do you see anything other than a nation of National Socialists?

[pate]

Dammit, I am a dick.  I didn't mean for that silly audio visual cartoon to be anything other than eye candy for English speakers.

Here's the final scene where in that narrative Hitler is revealed to be a dog (somebody watch the whole epidsode and laugh willya?)

The Death of Hitler | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim

The thing I was trying to get at here was you posted an entire article auf Deutsch, and most here do not speak, much less read that.

Myself included.  Dammit.

Here, I try the first section of:
http://www.ipg-journal.de/kolumne/artikel/das-waren-noch-kalifen-604/
(note this is not my translation only some google type free thing)

(Title:)

That were still caliphs IS “may pretend as state. But which that is called already?

(body:)

For reasons, which admits us all be might, the job title is increasingly in disrepute guessed/advised „caliph “: Journalists, scientists, in addition, Muslim of clergyman, explained in detail in the past months, why the requirement „of the Islamic state “and its alleged head Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi on the caliphate represents an arrogance. And not least anachronism actual even if this reproach „the caliphs “in Mossul probably least of all interests.

Who argues over longer time with Arab-Islamic history and its caliph dynasties, thereby a great deal becomes acquainted with eccentric, corrupt and, yes, wasted on drink existences. In addition, so some statesman in the truest sense of the word. And one selects oneself its personal favourites sooner or later.

If I refrain from the Ottomans and regard only the two large Arab dynasties, then my favorites among the governors Muhammads of the Abbaside Al-Mamun (813-833) and the Ummayyade Abdelmalik are ibn Marwan (685 - 705). The one help the realm to the bloom, promoted the sciences and broke in the eagerness of its curiosity the inside the Cheops pyramid.

The further a historical epoch is past, the rather one is ready to ignore over the negative sides of its protagonists. Also over cruelties â€" even if they were systematic. The fact that Al-Mamun introduced a kind convicition examination and its subjects if necessary also with glowing iron and over the characteristics of the Koran cleared up for the whip, is in view of its love for philosophy a detail nevertheless.

Abdelmalik however was the first Arab caliph, which Byzantine coins to umprägen and with its counter-protect provide let. Its dearest power Insignium: the whip, which hung of its belt. At the age of 45 years the caliph sent an army from Iraq into the Hedschas, in order to besiege Mecca. The pilgrimage and native city of the prophet had to feel neglected by the Umayyaden, which had referred in the meantime in civilized of Damascus residence.

In the winter 691 Abdelmalik let short process make. It appointed a people school teacher named Hajjaj is Yousef as the army leader and let Byzantine catapults by the Arabian desert drag. When the troops the caliphs of Mecca stormed, also the holy Kaaba looked badly carried forward. The Gegenkalif Zubair was crucified or beheaded, perhaps also crucified and beheaded â€" whether, and into which order, over it diverge the sources.

I don't find that my gestalten of that article is lost as much as clarified a bit.  Granted I only translated (attempted translate) roughly one third of the verbiage.  To say that it is not something I am interested in and that I somewhat agree with would be foolish.  that is good stuff, sir!

I had no intention of Godwining your thread, although I think some people may have already Godwin'd you for your nationality...  That is sad, I present my video arguments distractions as proof...

Apologies!

Sincerely,

pate

EDIT: Dear gentle English readers, there is more to the article than that I plugged into random intartube translator.  Get your own gestalt if you have time....

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

You are less than 50 years old I think, maybe there are one or two exceptions, but none of them could really sympathize or reject or have any meaning about the real history of NAZIS and Hitler and you are  Thank goodness in no kind of confrontation with these things.

If any of you states to be a NAZI, than he 100% lies, and I can laugh, because he has no idea what that is and was, except they was violent. That is one point of many others, why i like Americans, they are lighthearted enough to make jokes about, and they should do so. The life is hard enough, also for the most of you.

If I feel obliged to seriously warn you, then it is, because I see about 5 - 10 years in the future, and nobody else will tell you the truth, because they do not care about you, they prefer to golf or anything else, Main point for them are their busines running good for tomorow or perhaps the next year.

My warning now, I got the truth in the last days step by step, that we are in fight with the global Islam, they wait only  for the time to get in actkion. They are prepared already to takover the world, and we should piss down so much salt in their soup, that they will suffocate taking the first spoon.

My name may be Kassandra and if you are bored by my prophecies do not hesitate to tell me I should stop.

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Dear Pate, dear all

the thread may distracted, but my warning stands, do not disregard it totally.


All the best Rudolf

[albrecht]

If I feel obliged to seriously warn you, then it is, because I see about 5 - 10 years in the future, and nobody else will tell you the truth, because they do not care about you, they prefer to golf or anything else, Main point for them are their busines running good for tomorow or perhaps the next year.

My warning now, I got the truth in the last days step by step, that we are in fight with the global Islam, they wait only  for the time to get in actkion. They are prepared already to takover the world, and we should piss down so much salt in their soup, that they will suffocate taking the first spoon.

My name may be Kassandra and if you are bored by my prophecies do not hesitate to tell me I should stop.

You make good points, especially about most (especially American but also Western in general) businesses often only look a few quarters in the future and are often too focuses on short-term performance. Likewise our politicians are looking to the next election and not long-term what is good for the country (or the world.) We refuse to state the problem with Islam because we are afraid to offend and must be "politically correct." And because we have let too many into our countries and are afraid lest they start to commit even more acts of terrorism and crime.

[paladin1991]

My name may be Kassandra and if you are bored by my prophecies do not hesitate to tell me I should stop.

Naaaah.  Stick around, Rudy.  Cheersie

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

The thing I was trying to get at here was you posted an entire article auf Deutsch, and most here do not speak, much less read that.
Myself included.  Dammit.

I don't find that my gestalten of that article is lost as much as clarified a bit.  Granted I only translated (attempted translate) roughly one third of the verbiage.  To say that it is not something I am interested in and that I somewhat agree with would be foolish.  that is good stuff, sir!

Sorry that I burden you with german stuff, it was for completeness only and not meant to read by you and others, thank you nevertheless for your effort to translate, The essence was already in my post itself. The translation itself looks very good for me.

I had no intention of Godwining your thread, although I think some people may have already Godwin'd you for your nationality...  That is sad, I present my video arguments distractions as proof...
Apologies!

There is nothing to apologize at least by you, thank you nevertheless for clarification, others may read my stuff and, if not interested, go their ways. My text is independent enough from my geographical origin to see that at first glance.

Thank you for all, Rudi

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

You make good points, especially about most (especially American but also Western in general) businesses often only look a few quarters in the future and are often too focuses on short-term performance. Likewise our politicians are looking to the next election and not long-term what is good for the country (or the world.) We refuse to state the problem with Islam because we are afraid to offend and must be "politically correct." And because we have let too many into our countries and are afraid lest they start to commit even more acts of terrorism and crime.

Thank you. You have not to be too anxious about your muslims, theyselfes do not know how to think and how to do in the moment. The danger is more a midterm one. The terroristic scenario has not changed at the moment, so the risks are the same as before. Let me be your voice, I am far from there enough.

There are things with global ISLAM, for example, that they are no more a religion since IS days, as rather a violence prone combatassociation dangerous to the integrity of states. So they are no subjects for the freedom of religion of human rights anymore. And that is also political correct. ISLAM therefore has to be forbidden globally in nonislamic states and without delay. Maybe UNO has to be concerned with.

have a good day, Rudolf

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Naaaah.  Stick around, Rudy.  Cheersie

That is fortitude I like, thank you

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

There are things with global ISLAM, for example, that they are no more a religion since IS days, as rather a violence prone combatassociation dangerous to the integrity of states. So they are no subjects for the freedom of religion of human rights anymore. And that is also political correct. ISLAM therefore has to be forbidden globally in nonislamic states and without delay. Maybe UNO has to be concerned with.

To global audience also

[PB the Deplorable]

... There are things with global ISLAM, for example, that they are no more a religion since IS days, as rather a violence prone combatassociation dangerous to the integrity of states. So they are no subjects for the freedom of religion of human rights anymore. And that is also political correct. ISLAM therefore has to be forbidden globally in nonislamic states and without delay...

Islam is a system of government and a legal system, in addition to being a religion.  It is not compatible with the personal Liberty and self rule we have in the West (such as it is), and it's followers don't belong here.

And that's before factoring in the violence and intolerance.  (Yes it's true - we should have no tolerance for those who, given he chance, have no tolerance for us)

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Islam is a system of government and a legal system, in addition to being a religion.  It is not compatible with the personal Liberty and self rule we have in the West (such as it is), and it's followers don't belong here.

And that's before taking the violence and intolerance into consideration.  (Yes it's true - we should have no tolerance for those who, given he chance, have no tolerance for us)

Its the government and legal system itself that is violence prone, Theological the Islamic state in his full cruelty definitly is said to be right by them. Until they remove their medieval sharia from their religion in a separation of religion and government, ISLAM is no religion for me as a subject of human rights anymore and must be banned globally to the Islamic states together with all his followers.

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

The govs (HSA and FBI) are checking the legal basis for banning ISLAM from USA, but it seems to be difficult, because there are a lot of laws against. They should make efforts to make these laws going, there is nothing for eternity.  The most important was the human rights, ISLAM already lost as religion. There is some movement in this story since Islamic State is established.

[aldousburbank]

The most important was the human rights, ISLAM already lost as religion.

As much as i dig g*d and plurality and stuff, this my man, is as clear as a bell, requiring no further translation, square on, target, bullseye.
(Sorry, my english not so good)

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

As much as i dig g*d and plurality and stuff, this my man, is as clear as a bell, requiring no further translation, square on, target, bullseye.
(Sorry, my english not so good)

I also only digged, and was surprised, what is alredy done and going on.... 
(surely better than mine)

[albrecht]

Hannibal ante portas
But, worse.

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Hannibal ante portas
But, worse.

But this time Hannibal is chased to hell together with his elephants, its only a matter of quick reaction, later on it will become much more expensive. Oncemore later it will become worse indeed. Lets speed up our government! 

[Quick Karl]

As much as i dig g*d and plurality and stuff, this my man, is as clear as a bell, requiring no further translation, square on, target, bullseye.
(Sorry, my english not so good)

I still say you are the smartest person on this entire forum.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

I still say you are the smartest person on this entire forum.

The incessant butt-smooching doesn't seem to be working, Karl.  Why not send him a fragrant bouquet?  There are many Internet services available to help you in this regard.

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

Forum of newspaper PRESSE with following subject:

Who has to get active against radicalization of the Islamic youth?
And what has to be done?




Begin of Thread


Rudolf Zlabinger
02.10.2014 13:15

2 questions, 2 answers

After reading the interview with the religion pedagog Aslan (short description at the end):

Who has to get active against radicalization of the Islamic youth?

The Federal Office For The Protection Of The Constitution (Verfassungsschutz)

And what has to be done?

Ban ISLAM in Austria

Only after a reform of the basics of ISLAM, that fully respects the right of Austria and EU, the ban could be cancelled
again.


There was an answer of
Friedrich Hochmann
02.10.2014 22:15


Marvellous, but the freedom of religion is written to human rights ratified even by the right wings.
The only what is possible is to prosecute single persons they infringe against the law, as for example recruiting for IS
or sedition against non Islamics.


There is my answer to Friedrich Hochmann:

rudolf zlabinger
05.10.2014 10:33

The freedom of religion is valid for religions only, not for Trojanic Horses covered by a religious habit.

The Commission for human rights since the recent developements will have to solve a hard problem to acknowledge

ISLAM presently as a religion.

End of Thread





The newspaper PRESSE delayed my last answer for 2 days obviously protecting Friedrich Hochmann.





Here is a shortened content of the Interview with the religion pedagoge Aslan:

Aslan justifies the Islamic State and his cruelties to be fully in accordance with the Islamic theological principles.

Each believing muslim would like to live in a theocracy with Sharia. There is no moderate muslim, they all are full

fundamentalists. Only as they are the minority in the western countries they reluctantly accept the laws and culture of

their hosts.

They would use the first possibility to establish a theocracy in their host contry.

End of Aslans statements so far.





And no reasonable person would believe after reading this declaration, that a modern country can tolerate ISLAM

anymore inside his borders. Even special laws can not protect a host country against these permanent ambitions of

their muslims. 

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

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found in google at first place looking for "in bello" 2 days before, already gone...

[paladin1991]

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They all will loose as said in "In bello autem perdiderit procrastinators", if they wait long enough, they will loose, and we all will become ..


found in google at first place looking for "in bello" 2 days before, already gone...

I blame that on ...The Man.

[Rudolf Zlabinger]

I blame that on ...The Man.

It was pure coincidence, I found to be funny If there is a Man he does not bother me, as long, as he only influences internet presence, may be he alerts some other people. He thereby alerts the total internet audience, and thereby that has no selective influence.

[West of the Rockies]

RZ wrote:  "To immediately ban ISLAM as a direct hazard for the national integrity by all civilised nations offers a first handle. This ban has to be propagated over supranational compounds unto UNO."

Ban Islam?  What would that mean in practical terms?  What would happen to those who continue to practice this banned religion?  Let's just, for the sake of argument, change Islam to Judaism... Anyone see a problem?

I have no love for any extremism (particularly the religious variety), but I find this sort of vague language of "banning Islam" to be tainted with an odor of very large gas ovens.