Jimmy Church

[Uncle Duke]

That would be Trevor Paglen with Knapp.

https://www.amazon.com/Could-Tell-Then-Would-Destroyed/dp/193555414X/

Steve:

Thanks couldn't think of the name, Paglan is the guy I was talking about.  He has several videos on You Tube, this is the one I remembered:

https://youtu.be/2_hv2YOJ8ck

[bateman]

Thanks for the reminder of the guy's name. He also has some really cool stuff identifying 'secret' bases etc using open-source sources.
I've suggested before that he is a guest on your show, if you choose to continue with it.

I actually went to this back in February, though I didn't get a chance to talk to him: http://www.artnews.com/2016/02/09/a-tsunami-of-data-laura-poitras-trevor-paglen-hito-steyerl-and-more-discuss-surveillance-technology-at-the-whitney/

I may send him an email.

[albrecht]

I actually went to this back in February, though I didn't get a chance to talk to him: http://www.artnews.com/2016/02/09/a-tsunami-of-data-laura-poitras-trevor-paglen-hito-steyerl-and-more-discuss-surveillance-technology-at-the-whitney/

I may send him an email.

Do it, he would be an interesting guest (assuming you can survive the heat, a RCH-style 'horrendous move,' K2 zombies, rampant crime, and still want to do a show.  )
ps: to everybody. I use a single parenthesis (ha)  because, somehow, my laptop keys don't work right in this new Linux thing.

[cweb]

I actually went to this back in February, though I didn't get a chance to talk to him: http://www.artnews.com/2016/02/09/a-tsunami-of-data-laura-poitras-trevor-paglen-hito-steyerl-and-more-discuss-surveillance-technology-at-the-whitney/

I may send him an email.

Paglen is great. All of his Coast appearances are super interesting. And he's got stuff that is off the beaten path but not to the point of cuckoo.

[Morgus]

Jimmy Church had Linda Moulton Howe as his guest on his show last night.
Linda revealed a few things she never has told before in the past 20+ years she has been on as a guest with Art and Noory.
Linda revealed her age: she said she was born in Jan 1942. So she is 3 years older than Art Bell.
Linda revealed that when she was a child she recalled her father working with pilot Kenneth Arnold who was the one who reported the first modern UFO sighting that coined the term "flying saucers" in 1947.

[Uncle Duke]

Jimmy Church had Linda Moulton Howe as his guest on his show last night.
Linda revealed a few things she never has told before in the past 20+ years she has been on as a guest with Art and Noory.
Linda revealed her age: she said she was born in Jan 1942. So she is 3 years older than Art Bell.
Linda revealed that when she was a child she recalled her father working with pilot Kenneth Arnold who was the one who reported the first modern UFO sighting that coined the term "flying saucers" in 1947.

There was no hiding her age anyway as she was Miss Idaho in 1963 and her age (and measurements in those unenlightened, chauvinistic days) would have been made public.  I do remember either hearing or reading about her dad's dealings with Arnold.  May have been on the show she co-hosts on KGRA.

[136 or 142]

Regarding the alleged marine guest, I thought Jimmy Church's position of 'what difference does it make if his story is true or not?" was unbelievable.  Church seems to be saying that all that matters is that his story was entertaining whether it was true or bull shit.

If Jimmy Church wants to host a program where these paranormal things are treated solely as entertainment, he should do that on his own show.  I can understand why a lot of people would say that's the best way to deal with claims of the paranormal, but that's not the position of the people at Coast to Coast or even George Noory.

Jimmy Church should no longer guest host on Coast to Coast.

[JesusJuice]

Regarding the alleged marine guest, I thought Jimmy Church's position of 'what difference does it make if his story is true or not?" was unbelievable.  Church seems to be saying that all that matters is that his story was entertaining whether it was true or bull shit.

If Jimmy Church wants to host a program where these paranormal things are treated solely as entertainment, he should do that on his own show.  I can understand why a lot of people would say that's the best way to deal with claims of the paranormal, but that's not the position of the people at Coast to Coast or even George Noory.

Jimmy Church should no longer guest host on Coast to Coast.

Well... There's no such thing as ufos, aliens, daemons and ghosts so all paranormal shows are entertainment. Every single one of them. All that really matters is if the story and guest are coherent and entertaining.

[136 or 142]

Well... There's no such thing as ufos, aliens, daemons and ghosts so all paranormal shows are entertainment. Every single one of them. All that really matters is if the story and guest are coherent and entertaining.

1.UFOs are real: Unidentified flying objects. 

I'm not trying to be pedantic here.  There are genuine unidentified flying objects and, given that, they should be investigated.

2.I think people have also seen unexplainable things that are frequently referred to as ghosts, but I don't know what they are.  They should also be investigated.

All anomalies should be investigated because it's frequently through investigating them that new knowledge emerges, exceptions to the rule are discovered, things that had previously been thought to be simple were later found to be far more complex.

Some guests on Coast to Coast say that UFOs are aliens and some have some evidence to back  that up and others don't and a few guests on the subject say that UFOs are a different phenomena.  Same thing with 'ghosts.'

I have no opinion on aliens, and I agree that if demons (and angels) are real that they don't interact with humans.

So, I don't agree that Jimmy Church's position that 'it doesn't matter if his story is true or not' (I guess to him as long as it's entertaining) is valid, and it certainly shouldn't be seen as valid to the people in charge of Coast to Coast.

[astroguy]

I'm between you two on this one.  Yes, Jimmy and George are way too credulous and let their guests say whatever they want with almost no challenge.  George has also explicitly stated before that the show is not about fact-checking, it's about letting the guest tell their story and having the listeners make up their mind, so let's not pretend that George is an upstanding model of investigative journalism here.

However, Jimmy's repeated defense of that philosophy, to an extreme level of not even challenging basic claims of his guest, was, I think, ridiculous, but it was also a nice example, for once, of honesty by the host effectively saying, "Yeah, I'm willing to put anyone with anything on the air, I don't care if it's true, so long as it's entertaining and I can tell them they're so 'smaaahhhhhh-t.'"  It's obviously been the case for years, but it was really, honestly, nice to hear for once, and I hope people take that as a lesson that these hosts are not there to try to figure out the truth, or what's going on, they're there to try to entertain you with one outlandish, unsupported, idiotic claim after another.

[Yorkshire pud]

I'm between you two on this one.  Yes, Jimmy and George are way too credulous and let their guests say whatever they want with almost no challenge.  George has also explicitly stated before that the show is not about fact-checking, it's about letting the guest tell their story and having the listeners make up their mind, so let's not pretend that George is an upstanding model of investigative journalism here.

However, Jimmy's repeated defense of that philosophy, to an extreme level of not even challenging basic claims of his guest, was, I think, ridiculous, but it was also a nice example, for once, of honesty by the host effectively saying, "Yeah, I'm willing to put anyone with anything on the air, I don't care if it's true, so long as it's entertaining and I can tell them they're so 'smaaahhhhhh-t.'"  It's obviously been the case for years, but it was really, honestly, nice to hear for once, and I hope people take that as a lesson that these hosts are not there to try to figure out the truth, or what's going on, they're there to try to entertain you with one outlandish, unsupported, idiotic claim after another.

[136 or 142]

I'm between you two on this one.  Yes, Jimmy and George are way too credulous and let their guests say whatever they want with almost no challenge.  George has also explicitly stated before that the show is not about fact-checking, it's about letting the guest tell their story and having the listeners make up their mind, so let's not pretend that George is an upstanding model of investigative journalism here.

However, Jimmy's repeated defense of that philosophy, to an extreme level of not even challenging basic claims of his guest, was, I think, ridiculous, but it was also a nice example, for once, of honesty by the host effectively saying, "Yeah, I'm willing to put anyone with anything on the air, I don't care if it's true, so long as it's entertaining and I can tell them they're so 'smaaahhhhhh-t.'"  It's obviously been the case for years, but it was really, honestly, nice to hear for once, and I hope people take that as a lesson that these hosts are not there to try to figure out the truth, or what's going on, they're there to try to entertain you with one outlandish, unsupported, idiotic claim after another.

Yes, Noory has said exactly that, but he doesn't criticize callers who do question the veracity of the guests (though maybe  Tommy simply doesn't let those most of those callers on the air.)

I don't know if by 'these hosts' you were referring to all the hosts on Coast to Coast or just those two, but I'd say George Knapp does sometimes ask critical questions and Dave Schrader frequently does.

[astroguy]

Yes, Noory has said exactly that, but he doesn't criticize callers who do question the veracity of the guests (though maybe  Tommy simply doesn't let those most of those callers on the air.)

I don't know if by 'these hosts' you were referring to all the hosts on Coast to Coast or just those two, but I'd say George Knapp does sometimes ask critical questions and Dave Schrader frequently does.

I was specifically referring to Noory and Church.  Wells did it, too, unless the guest fit into his political and conspiratorial mindset and then they got more free reign than Noory or Church lets out.

[136 or 142]

I was specifically referring to Noory and Church.  Wells did it, too, unless the guest fit into his political and conspiratorial mindset and then they got more free reign than Noory or Church lets out.

Richard Syrett I think is certainly capable of asking critical questions but I think he's just too much of a believer of conspiracy theories.

[Uncle Duke]

I'm between you two on this one.  Yes, Jimmy and George are way too credulous and let their guests say whatever they want with almost no challenge.  George has also explicitly stated before that the show is not about fact-checking, it's about letting the guest tell their story and having the listeners make up their mind, so let's not pretend that George is an upstanding model of investigative journalism here.

However, Jimmy's repeated defense of that philosophy, to an extreme level of not even challenging basic claims of his guest, was, I think, ridiculous, but it was also a nice example, for once, of honesty by the host effectively saying, "Yeah, I'm willing to put anyone with anything on the air, I don't care if it's true, so long as it's entertaining and I can tell them they're so 'smaaahhhhhh-t.'"  It's obviously been the case for years, but it was really, honestly, nice to hear for once, and I hope people take that as a lesson that these hosts are not there to try to figure out the truth, or what's going on, they're there to try to entertain you with one outlandish, unsupported, idiotic claim after another.

While I don't disagree with what you've said, I see this as a very simple issue.  Church asks what difference does it make if the guest was not a US Marine?  If the guy had not claimed he was a a US Marine, would he have been a guest?  Nope.  So that's the difference it makes.

[WhiteCrow]

Well... There's no such thing as ufos, aliens, daemons and ghosts so all paranormal shows are entertainment. Every single one of them. All that really matters is if the story and guest are coherent and entertaining.

I knew it... I just knew it! Thanks JJ I've always suspected none of that stuff was real. Although Remote Viewing shows with Major Ed Dames seemed credible.

[Walks_At_Night]

Thought I'd pop over and give Church a listen for the first time in forever.  I've forgotten what an
annoying 'Morning Zoo' delivery he has.   

[Gyoza Girl]

Good show last night with Jimmy Church and his guest, Ben Hansen, who discussed UFOs. I really liked Ben's SyFy Channel show, "Fact or Faked," and was looking forward to hearing him on Coast. This makes two good shows in a row hosted by Jimmy Church. I decided quite some time ago that the weekend guest hosts have more interesting topics (at least to me). I'm fed up with George Noory's shows about economic collapse and geopolitics, to say nothing of the endless supplement infomercial shows!

Only disappointment was when Jimmy went "West of the Rockies" to Jeff in Culver City, but there was no Jeff. He's one of my favorite listener call-ins -- always prepared; doesn't stammer and repeat himself; asks interesting, insightful questions; and doesn't load his questions with tedious details.

[Uncle Duke]

Good show last night with Jimmy Church and his guest, Ben Hansen, who discussed UFOs. I really liked Ben's SyFy Channel show, "Fact or Faked," and was looking forward to hearing him on Coast. This makes two good shows in a row hosted by Jimmy Church. I decided quite some time ago that the weekend guest hosts have more interesting topics (at least to me). I'm fed up with George Noory's shows about economic collapse and geopolitics, to say nothing of the endless supplement infomercial shows!

Only disappointment was when Jimmy went "West of the Rockies" to Jeff in Culver City, but there was no Jeff. He's one of my favorite listener call-ins -- always prepared; doesn't stammer and repeat himself; asks interesting, insightful questions; and doesn't load his questions with tedious details.

I'd watched a fair number of "Fact or Faked" episodes and got a laugh when they told us Hansen was a "former FBI agent". Very little we saw from him indicated he was a trained investigator, let alone trained by the FBI. I especially chuckled when they would, without fail, ask each witness to whatever paranornal event they claimed to have seen, had they given a truthful account and whether they were involved in some scam or hoax.  I did give Hansen the benefit of the doubt, however, since I doubted he controlled his segments' editing and clearly they wanted to spend the bulk of their time with each story trying to recreate the event.

[Gyoza Girl]

I'd watched a fair number of "Fact or Faked" episodes and got a laugh when they told us Hansen was a "former FBI agent". Very little we saw from him indicated he was a trained investigator, let alone trained by the FBI. I especially chuckled when they would, without fail, ask each witness to whatever paranornal event they claimed to have seen, had they given a truthful account and whether they were involved in some scam or hoax.  I did give Hansen the benefit of the doubt, however, since I doubted he controlled his segments' editing and clearly they wanted to spend the bulk of their time with each story trying to recreate the event.

Haha, that's a good point! Hopefully, they realized how meaningless it is to ask if someone's involved in a hoax and expect an honest reply. I think in a few episodes, they used "voice stress analysis" to tell if someone was lying, although as with polygraph machines, I'm not sure how credible those things are.

[JesusJuice]

Many callers are having problems with their phones and getting dropped tonight.

[theONE]

Many callers are having problems with their phones and getting dropped tonight.

I actually think that Jimmy has a device in his studio and pushes a button when caller goes stupid
and Jimmy is blaming on bad phone connection.. haha, lol
Why I'm listening to this stupidity,...Open Lines are total crap no matter who's show it is and no matter who is hosting.

Must say that Art was the best in handling stupid callers and getting rid of them quickly...

[theONE]

I LIKE JIMMY CHURCH WHEN HE is interviewing guests,...but doing Open Lines is not his best, as much as he is trying to dump idiots
but he is still too polite to them.
For Open Lines you need to be quick and ruthless, but not an asshole of course.
And 'educational' value from Open Lines is very limited,..mostly delusional cat ladies talking stupid, or drunk guys,
very seldom there is a caller with really interesting story.

I'm going to avoid Open Lines from now on. Total waste of time.



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[theONE]

As a punishment for all that bad stuff I did in my life I will listen to the last minute of tonight's Open Lines no matter how stupid the callers are,...
like the guy now... for example
F U C K !!! hahaha 



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[theONE]

haha, .. Jimmy is having fun..and going 'woow' - 'woow' just to stir it up, lol

[theONE]

As a punishment for all that bad stuff I did in my life I will listen to the last minute of tonight's Open Lines no matter how stupid the callers are,...
like the guy now... for example
F U C K !!! hahaha 

The show is over.
I did it - I did it I'm forgiven of ALL my sins.
I'm clean, I'm innocent , I'm pure again, I'm forgiven ...'Woow' woow what a liberating felling

[ItsOver]

Thought I'd pop over and give Church a listen for the first time in forever.  I've forgotten what an
annoying 'Morning Zoo' delivery he has.   

Heh.

[21st Century Man]

First time I've listened to Church in a while and I'm enjoying the show.  A lot of talk about classic Hollywood and the ghosts that linger from that time. 

[21st Century Man]

Thought I'd pop over and give Church a listen for the first time in forever.  I've forgotten what an
annoying 'Morning Zoo' delivery he has.   

Yeah,he sounds like one of those guys giving away free boob jobs to the 10th female caller.  Not exactly what I look for in a host dealing with the paranormal.

[CornyCrow]

Church had some psychic on for the last half of the show.  The guy is a personal friend of his.  Right after a caller asked his question of the psychic Church cut the line so that the caller could not verify or refute the psychics statements AND so the guy would possibly call the psychic personally and so drum up some business for the guy.  Sneaky.