Art Bell Quits Dark Matter

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

I am concerned there are other factors at work here, time will tell.

I'm sorry but that is such a bullshit response. Evil Premiere at it again, pulling the strings from the shadows. Give me a break.

[dortmunder]

hey gal.s and guy.s  for my new book about  mr. bell  book title ? art's big fall ,or the last ride of art bell .

Art Fell.

[tertiaryimam]

Ok, I threw an I Ching.  I got hexagram 11. Peace, with the bottom line changing:

Peace. The small departs,
          The great approaches.
          Good fortune. Success.

Changing yang at the bottom means:
          When ribbon grass is pulled up, the sod comes with it.
          Each according to his kind.
          Undertakings bring good fortune.

Changing into Hexagram 46. Pushing Upward. 

Pushing Upward has supreme success.
          One must see the great man.
          Fear not.
          Departure toward the south
          Brings good fortune.

Which confirms my original hunch of Monday.  But, I'd be happy to pull some tarot or some runes if you want.   

I got that same Hexagram once about a certain situation and I was real optimistic and shit until I wound up with 200 hours of community service at the Salvation Army. Fuck that!

[Falkie2013]

Yes, I want. And while you're at it, could you tell me what's in store for next year financially? 

Get John " Vague " Hogue to provide that answer since he now claims he predicted Art would leave the air and as you know, HE knows all and smells all.

Salami, salami. Baloney, baloney.

[Heather Wade]

Yes, I want. And while you're at it, could you tell me what's in store for next year financially? 

That'll cost you 19.95, & you'll be able to afford it soon, lol. 
Good times... even if they are dark, and we all feel like we're coming off a long, extra weird trip.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

hey gal.s and guy.s  for my new book about  mr. bell  book title ? art's big fall ,or the last ride of art bell .

How about "Not with a bang but a whimper" as a working title?

[Sardondi]

why?  what happens if you don't honor it?  or if you take it to court?

i just can't believe all of this went down this way.  it's as if i imagined this situation while on LSD and now that the trip has subsided, i realize it was not a hallucination.

Exactly. I am just dumbfounded that Art signed another NC. He may say, "Well, there was no deal without it". Well, okay, so what? The NC should have been a huge warning buzzer to not sign the deal. Looking at this situation from outside, admittedly, it just looks like Art did this deal by himself. That just astounds me. I don't care how experienced someone thinks they are, or how much smarter they think they are than lawyers, or how much they think they hate lawyers, there's a reason to hire them: because they can be objective, and can remove themselves from the deal and think rationally. Even a lawyer should never negotiate for himself in his own business deal. That was just stupid if it happened like that.

Second, a lawyer acts as a cutout with the company. When you represent yourself, you're there across the table from the company's lawyers. They not only are negotiating by words, they're taking in the little things, like body language. And if you're there in the room - or even just on the phone or by email because it works to some extent like that as well - with the company's lawyers, they can look at you and pretty much tell what it is you really want; what's important to you; what's BS; and what you're scared of. Most importantly, they can tell what you're willing to give up to get a deal. When a lawyer represents you, the other guys can't find those things out.

I think Art represented himself, and came across as so desperate to get back on the radio - desperate enough that he'd take a tiny salary for the promise of pie-in-the-sky ad revenue down the road. (And remember that the company controls access to and all books showing what ad revenues are supposed to be.)  And they could tell that Art, even though he had just come off a massive NC term of a decade (truly a terrible NC clause, the others I've heard were 2, 4, maybe 5 years) he would be willing to do another NC. And that gave Sirius the advantage.

I'm sorry if I'm hurting Art's feelings - not my purpose. I know I can't know the details of the negotiations. But I bet I know the general situation, and I bet I'm right about Art representing himself. And he impetuously entered a bad deal with a weak company, and then he just as impetuously wanted to wash his hands of it. Except it wasn't that easy because of the shitty deal he made. And he's let himself and countless fans down. But he has no one but himself to blame. 

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Looking at this situation from outside, admittedly, it just looks like Art did this deal by himself.

Worse, he probably consulted Bob Crane just like with his "brilliant" exit strategy from Dark Matter.

[Falkie2013]

Is it me but is all this coming off as a really weird episode of Kabuki Theater where samurais are running around making speeches and people are dying all over the place ?

[dortmunder]

That'll cost you 19.95, & you'll be able to afford it soon, lol. 
Good times... even if they are dark, and we all feel like we're coming off a long, extra weird trip.

Indeed.

[Falkie2013]

Worse, he probably consulted Bob Crane just like with his "brilliant" exit strategy from Dark Matter.

Maybe he gave everyone who worked at Sirius a free backscratcher and they were expecting a free radio instead and that's why they've told Art to fuck off.

[tertiaryimam]

Exactly. I am just dumbfounded that Art signed another NC. He may say, "Well, there was no deal without it". Well, okay, so what? The NC should have been a huge warning buzzer to not sign the deal. Looking at this situation from outside, admittedly, it just looks like Art did this deal by himself. That just astounds me. I don't care how experienced someone thinks they are, or how much smarter they think they are than lawyers, or how much they think they hate lawyers, there's a reason to hire them: because they can be objective, and can remove themselves from the deal and think rationally. Even a lawyer should never negotiate for himself in his own business deal. That was just stupid if it happened like that.

Second, a lawyer acts as a cutout with the company. When you represent yourself, you're there across the table from the company's lawyers. They not only are negotiating by words, they're taking in the little things, like body language. And if you're there in the room - or even just on the phone or by email because it works to some extent like that as well - with the company's lawyers, they can look at you and pretty much tell what it is you really want; what's important to you; what's BS; and what you're scared of. Most importantly, they can tell what you're willing to give up to get a deal. When a lawyer represents you, the other guys can't find those things out.

I think Art represented himself, and came across as so desperate to get back on the radio - desperate enough that he'd take a tiny salary for the promise of pie-in-the-sky ad revenue down the road. (And remember that the company controls access to and all books showing what ad revenues are supposed to be.)  And they could tell that Art, even though he had just come off a massive NC term of a decade (truly a terrible NC clause, the others I've heard were 2, 4, maybe 5 years) he would be willing to do another NC. And that gave Sirius the advantage.

I'm sorry if I'm hurting Art's feelings - not my purpose. I know I can't know the details of the negotiations. But I bet I know the general situation, and I bet I'm right about Art representing himself. And he impetuously entered a bad deal with a weak company, and then he just as impetuously wanted to wash his hands of it. Except it wasn't that easy because of the shitty deal he made. And he's let himself and countless fans down. But he has no one but himself to blame.

What do you suppose is going on in the minds of the Sirius execs, now, who are holding art's --- and our own --- future in their hands?

[DanTSX]

Move along now, shadow people. It's not a big truck.

Tubes!

[Falkie2013]

Art Fell.

The Art Who Fell To Earth
Nontact

soon to be major motion pictures

[malachi.martini]

We're in a 5 year, and as you know Art's a 7 life path, which of course means Noory lurking in the shadows.

[dortmunder]

Exactly. I am just dumbfounded that Art signed another NC. He may say, "Well, there was no deal without it". Well, okay, so what? The NC should have been a huge warning buzzer to not sign the deal. Looking at this situation from outside, admittedly, it just looks like Art did this deal by himself. That just astounds me. I don't care how experienced someone thinks they are, or how much smarter they think they are than lawyers, or how much they think they hate lawyers, there's a reason to hire them: because they can be objective, and can remove themselves from the deal and think rationally. Even a lawyer should never negotiate for himself in his own business deal. That was just stupid if it happened like that.

Second, a lawyer acts as a cutout with the company. When you represent yourself, you're there across the table from the company's lawyers. They not only are negotiating by words, they're taking in the little things, like body language. And if you're there in the room - or even just on the phone or by email because it works to some extent like that as well - with the company's lawyers, they can look at you and pretty much tell what it is you really want; what's important to you; what's BS; and what you're scared of. Most importantly, they can tell what you're willing to give up to get a deal. When a lawyer represents you, the other guys can't find those things out.

I think Art represented himself, and came across as so desperate to get back on the radio - desperate enough that he'd take a tiny salary for the promise of pie-in-the-sky ad revenue down the road. (And remember that the company controls access to and all books showing what ad revenues are supposed to be.)  And they could tell that Art, even though he had just come off a massive NC term of a decade (truly a terrible NC clause, the others I've heard were 2, 4, maybe 5 years) he would be willing to do another NC. And that gave Sirius the advantage.

I'm sorry if I'm hurting Art's feelings - not my purpose. I know I can't know the details of the negotiations. But I bet I know the general situation, and I bet I'm right about Art representing himself. And he impetuously entered a bad deal with a weak company, and then he just as impetuously wanted to wash his hands of it. Except it wasn't that easy because of the shitty deal he made. And he's let himself and countless fans down. But he has no one but himself to blame.

So, as I understand it he had a 3 year contract with a 2 year NC? That means the NC would have run out before his contract ran out? So he could have left after 2 years and gone to another venue? Wouldn't he have had to honor the 3 year part? I guess there is a reason to have lawyers, this shit is confusing.

[malachi.martini]

Ok, I threw an I Ching.  I got hexagram 11. Peace, with the bottom line changing:

Peace. The small departs,
          The great approaches.
          Good fortune. Success.

Changing yang at the bottom means:
          When ribbon grass is pulled up, the sod comes with it.
          Each according to his kind.
          Undertakings bring good fortune.

Changing into Hexagram 46. Pushing Upward. 

Pushing Upward has supreme success.
          One must see the great man.
          Fear not.
          Departure toward the south
          Brings good fortune.

Which confirms my original hunch of Monday.  But, I'd be happy to pull some tarot or some runes if you want.   

[dortmunder]

We're in a 5 year, and as you know Art's a 7 life path, which of course means Noory lurking in the shadows.

Oh God! Not this lunatic!

[Heather Wade]

I learned from Terence McKenna.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

So, as I understand it he had a 3 year contract with a 2 year NC? That means the NC would have run out before his contract ran out? So he could have left after 2 years and gone to another venue? Wouldn't he have had to honor the 3 year part? I guess there is a reason to have lawyers, this shit is confusing.

I would imagine the two year non-compete kicked in once they came to terms on his release. SiriusXM generously waived the thirty day clause so he wouldn't be in breach of contract by leaving after that agreed upon time.

[Falkie2013]

We're in a 5 year, and as you know Art's a 7 life path, which of course means Noory lurking in the shadows.

In a ZERO year, Noory would still be lurking.
And not just lusting after the numbers lady either.

By the way I have the solution.
We have Phil Hendrie broadcast pretending to be Art.
Then Art could broadcast pretending to be Art at the same time on another station.
The suits at Sirius wouldn't know which Art to sue.

[retired41]

mr wells playing some sad tunes

[Falkie2013]

Oh God! Not this lunatic!

She might be looney but she used to look hot.

" I got cher magic number right here, sweetheart. "

[tertiaryimam]

In a ZERO year, Noory would still be lurking.
And not just lusting after the numbers lady either.

By the way I have the solution.
We have Phil Hendrie broadcast pretending to be Art.
Then Art could broadcast pretending to be Art at the same time on another station.
The suits at Sirius wouldn't know which Art to sue.

This plan is so perfect I can't even my shut my eye lids right now.

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

[retired41]

how about the bell that fell to earth and made no sound

[dortmunder]

How are you guys posting gifs? I've tried and failed.

[FightTheFuture]

I said it  many months ago, and I will say it again:  Art should have gone back to terrestrial  radio. Maybe one or two big shows per week.

I knew this whole full-time satellite radio gig was not a good fit. There was, and is, a VERY limited audience which means unscreened calls - the staple of Art Bell magic - would never work.

As I mentioned many times, the 90' s were the golden age of shows like  Art's, but it's difficult to recapture that magic.

Expectatjons were WAY  too high.

[Falkie2013]

Do those 2 hot babes ever get around to lip locking ?

[Falkie2013]

how about the bell that fell to earth and made no sound

Tinklebell.