The GabCast (A podcast about BellGab)

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Tarbaby:

Most interesting and informative post I've read in any forum over the past 19 years.  Appreciate you taking the time to post it.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Tarbaby, that was a beautiful, thought provoking post. It's a very Jungian concept, the idea of a collective unconsciousness, and one I've felt a great affinity for, as I do for the concept of reincarnation, which is too long to pursue here.

I would love to see a thread with your post as the starting point for what could be a deep, philosophical discussion. *hint, hint*

[rvxtm]

You got me at the fapping part of the show 

[Agent : Orange]

Another show I'm going to have to catch after the fact. But I'm looking forward to it even more after Tarbaby's interesting post up there.

[MV/Liberace!]

Mudking (& Eddie & Onan): I thought you posed some interesting ideas including when you asked what people thought about the "hive mind" i.e. collective.

This post got way too long but I hope you can hang in there for the gist of it.

It's possible that when we go through life 100% identified with the daily waking mind we never distinguish between a personal self and a larger (or collective) Self which is also there. In other words, we have spent our entire life assuming the sense of self we experience upon waking each day and the body it apparently resides in defines our entire SELF. So people generally never look any deeper. And let religions deal with anything deeper.

But suppose there is that collective you posit, Mudking, and we call it the Impersonal Self. Meaning It exists sans personality traits such as those we each have which we think defines our personality. (EG, our personality is based on all the myriad memories, values, decisions and beliefs stemming from our fundamental core want/need heirarachy. As Freud said, our need for shelter, food, sex, companionship, safety, etc. 
Everyone has the same list but everyone's values and personality develop differently. This identification is called personal self.

At a higher level though, where Collective Awareness exists, the daily self is superceded. The local personality traits which define us (we thought) are absent if/when we identify with so-called greater Self.. HOWEVER, the "I AM" phenomenon, which includes our connection to that inner greater Self (Life essence) exists in both states of identification. One could say this "I AM" is our direct tie to the godthing, the collective. It is common to both conscious waking self and the collective as well.

We can "identify" our self as we normally do, the daily waking self. Or we can "identify" with the collective, a real presence accessible within the mind.
So we all feel the "I AM" but we think it only applies to our individual physical self. But suppose no, while our personalities are all individual the "I AM" is that of the collective. Of "LIFE". Of impersonal being. Of the godthing. The thing man has throughout history anthropomorphized as "God".

So, Onan and Mudking, et al, if this is  so (and I have reason to think it is) when we "die" physically we (let's call it "small i") would cease to be as the life experiences get absorbed into the collective (let's call it the large I). All one Unity Awareness entity but with levels. Each of our "I AM" continues on, the same "I AM" you feel right now, but the physical brain and body return to their unintegrated state. IE, stardust. (Studies show our basic components are formed inside suns).

Incidentally, this suggest that we all have lived before and will be reincarnated. But not with the same small-i self which we THINK truly defines us right now. Rather it would be in a different form/body with a personality that is created as that self grows and develops based on that  want/need heirarchy. Similarly the cells in our bodies are conscious to a degree and contribute to the gestalt whole which is our human entirety.

So what we think of as "I" does not fully contain that sense we feel of "I AM". That is part of the ultimate Gestalt. Which holds all the individual selves that have ever existed and will in the future. In an infinite universe.

When I hear you guys talking in the gabcasts I hear you skirting around these issues, especially Eddie and  Mudking. Onan too though he was quick to say "No". As they say in the Vedic tradition there comes a point when the student hungering for self-knowledge is (subconsciously) looking for the door. But he is standing right in front of it and doesn't know it.

He must keep in mind the constant resolve to connect to that collective Mudking mentions. And be ready to abandon conditioned beliefs as new realization appears.

BTW, the daily I is mostly concerned with survival, needs, safety (thus xenophobia) sex and  food and uses aggression to chase these things (and fend off need deprivation). But while I still struggle with what is our true nature I believe the evolving person leaves the nursery of material identification and steps up into compassion, empathy and peace. Embracing others as Self rather than adversary.

The ancients call it "enlightenment" but really it's simply discovering the full nature of the self. (And has to do with unconditional love).

I propose one good source for learning more about personal identification is the Advaita Vedanta (which this post does not represent, these are my own unofficial expressions). But there are other ways. Lucid Dreaming is very good practice for discerning the levels of one's own mind and its relationship to the larger self inside. Through lucid dreaming you can introduce the daily conscious mind which erroneously identifies self with materialism to the vast realms of the subconscious (collective).

I apologise for this lengthy post, I meant for it to be one short paragraph. And I won't do it again. I just couldn't remain quiet since that question Mudking so earnestly asked could be the most important question of your life.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4bftQ4xxFc

just kidding.

[Tarbaby]

Mudking: Thanks. I understqnd you've been away for a while? I became awed and impressed with your mind while listening to the podcasts you're on in the archives the last few months! You have that great faculty for being able to think expansively along with the ability to articulate those thoughts.

Not like that idiot, Jazmunda. No, No, NBo, now Jaz, you KNOW I am kidding. Love Jazmunda!

Onan: Yes, all the points I mentioned, and more, would need clarification, absolutely. 90% of which is undoing our conditioned assumptions and beliefs to get a fresh perspective on key issues. Including epistemology, metaphysics and ontology. My post unconsciusly drifted largely toward principles of  "nondualism". Which the podcast discussion evoked.

Yes, on your point about a common pool of shared thoughts, memories and minds, no, I too do not think that is exactly the correct picture. Clearly, at least not consciously shared. That sort of implies a two-way flow. I think it would be more like a one-way flow where data flows from the individual TO the Gestalt. But not the reverse. Mostly because the individual minds are unconscious of anything coming from the source; it's so unlinear and abstract. And filtered through the individual's tiny psyche. Only in dreams (which may not be remembered) or maybe meditation or the occasional inspired vision/epiphany.

Yes, regarding your mention of the current moment being more pivotal than past or future, the Vedic tradition called that "the eternal present". There is only now. Be here now. (See Gurdjieff below)

I'm not currently set up to call-in but I was compelled to call you guys when you were soliciting stories about personal psychic experiences. My life has been full of them as well as intense synchronicity but there is one particular event (a blue Mercedes) that I would like to hear your guy's take on   sometime. A real mystery. In one sentence I tried to make something happen (like Eddie was talking about) and it did happen. So then I couldn't figure out if I had caused it (which I couldn't believe) or did I try to do it because I subconsciously "knew" the event was going to occur so my mind conjured up the notion of launching the experiment. But I would love for you, Curtis, Eddie etc to hear the story and  comment on it because it left me confused (on the issue of causality).

Re "soul" yes, I've never had any idea of what the heck that might be exactly.  I think it must be an analogy or metaphor that gradually became an actual "thing" in the mind of mankind. I think they call that "reification". (treating an abstract thing as if it were an actual thing)

Re "seeking higher understanding" yes, I get your point. But it might just be that because we do not really fully understand our full nature, are not fully actualized, it's not a matter of attaining higher levels so much as attaining a level we fall short of due to crippling conditioning, a level we should be attaining in life. Remember that old assertion, "We see but through a glass darkly". Even Gurdjieff insisted mankind falls into two categories, those who operate fully cognitively, as you say, aware in the moment and those who go through life 95% on autpilot, by rote, "the unexamined life".

RE Reincarnation: It wouldn't be the daily waking self that is thinking and talking right now it would simply be the life force inside us since energy cannot be created or destroyed. The law of termodynamics. The present personality, no. (But that was my murky point, IF the "I AM" is shared with the Gestalt (the collective, "god") and one can establish an identification with it now, while still alive, THAT Self will continue and one may discover it in themself in life. That is the underlying thesis of the Nondual teachings, such as those of Ramana Maharshi or Nissargadata and all the enlightened masters. One doesn't rise to the level of "god" rather one discovers the god consciousness within themself. And this has been a point of contention in the Eastern traditions for hundreds of years.

RE we haven't become more forgiving, I would say I meet both types of people all the time. Primitive aggressive self-centered types and compassionate friendly types. Hey, it's the Republicans and the Democrats!

Thanks for engaging!

Okay, quickly, the beginning of the Blue Mercedes sotry. First part, I was upstairs in my duplex and decided to try an experiment in telepathy. I decided to send an impression to my firlfriend who was downstairs. I picked a clor… yellow. I conctentrated on sending the color yellow, simply that. About 30 second. Then let it go.

I went downstairs, walked into the kitchen. She was doing dishes. I said, "Hi babe! What's up?" My mind was slightly shaken when she said, honest to God, "Oh nothing much. I was just looking at these walls thinking how yellow they were." How such a simple utterance could have such profound effect on me. If that wasn't absolute coincidence doesn't it clearly suggest something. But wait til you hear part II.

[Tarbaby]

Eddie, Imagine, Unscreened Caller, et al, thanks! (blush)

Unscreened Caller: Yes, that thought occurred to me but… we'll see. Not sure if I have the time right now. As you say it's a huge subject.

MV: Sorry, I can't see images. I know you said you were kidding but what was the image? Paint me a word picture!

[jazmunda]

Not like that idiot, Jazmunda. No, No, NBo, now Jaz, you KNOW I am kidding. Love Jazmunda!

Fuck you and your long winded posts.

Kidding. Or am I?

No really I'm kidding.

Or am I?

Find out on the next GabCast.

#freejazmunda.

[bateman]

Fuck you and your long winded posts.

Kidding. Or am I?

No really I'm kidding.

Or am I?

Find out on the next GabCast.

#freejazmunda.

Were you fired from GabCast? Suspended? Put in time-out? What did you do, send too many unsolicited cock pics?

#putyourpantsbackonyouaustralianpervert

[jazmunda]

Were you fired from GabCast? Suspended? Put in time-out? What did you do, send too many unsolicited cock pics?

#putyourpantsbackonyouaustralianpervert

Lets just say that not having my pants on was one of the reasons I missed the last GabCast and leave it at that.

I will be back next week. Pants are optional.

#pantshavezipsforareason

[onan]

Were you fired from GabCast? Suspended? Put in time-out? What did you do, send too many unsolicited cock pics?

#putyourpantsbackonyouaustralianpervert

He was suspended. And we haven't decided whether or not to allow him back next Monday the 31st. To start, we didn't want to suspend him. I mean we all like Jaz. But his celebrity has gone to his head (sadly there is a truthful joke here). He flaunts his behaviors and feels no need to restrain himself. It is emotionally draining for us to set limits on Jaz. And honestly in the short term, we believe these limits will cause him to act more severely. I report this to all of you in the hopes you will support these attempts to modify Jaz's behavior. If we aren't successful with this, there is the significant chance he will suffer long standing consequences in the future.

[jazmunda]

He was suspended. And we haven't decided whether or not to allow him back next Monday the 31st. To start, we didn't want to suspend him. I mean we all like Jaz. But his celebrity has gone to his head (sadly there is a truthful joke here). He flaunts his behaviors and feels no need to restrain himself. It is emotionally draining for us to set limits on Jaz. And honestly in the short term, we believe these limits will cause him to act more severely. I report this to all of you in the hopes you will support these attempts to modify Jaz's behavior. If we aren't successful with this, there is the significant chance he will suffer long standing consequences in the future.

#freejazmunda

[wr250]

Lets just say that not having my pants on was one of the reasons I missed the last GabCast and leave it at that.

I will be back next week. Pants are optional.

#pantshavezipsforareason

so this means a new poop story ?

[eddie dean]

#freejazmunda

I'm leaning towards giving Jaz a second chance. If his suspension from the Gabcast lasts more than 1 week, he might decide to start his own competing podcast called "The Guy from Australia (TM) - Poop Stories and Cock pic's from Down Under".
The world simply can't handle another bellgab spin-off.

[b_dubb]

Is jazmunda a ginger? If not, then he's okay with me. 

[UnscreenedCaller]

[MV/Liberace!]

MV: Sorry, I can't see images. I know you said you were kidding but what was the image? Paint me a word picture!

you can't see embedded youtube videos?

[MV/Liberace!]

it's as though his first name isn't a name.  it's more of a title or designation.

[wr250]

you can't see embedded youtube videos?

lynx does that.

[Tarbaby]

you can't see embedded youtube videos?

Sorry, I thought everyone knew because I'd mentioned it a few times. I have retinitis pigmentosa so can't see anything but general light and dark in the 3D real world. BUT, on a computer screen I can varely make out TEXT iF it is a white font on a black background with a crisp bold font sans serif. I explained this to Area51drone one time months ago but I don't like to keep whining about it all the time; you must have missed it.

I did want to tell you I absolutely LOVED hearing your daughter on the SpecSheet podcast today (on my iPad app) but I can't tell you here because this is the wrong thread for it. (joke alert) That was the cutest thing I've heard in a LONG time.  Treasure those moments! I can tell you do. She was talking fine, we just don't know that language she was using.

[wr250]

new taintco product:

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[eddie dean]

new taintco product:

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Lol.
Ass candy with a mustachio!!

[b_dubb]

new taintco product:
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Includes a molded model of Noory's face.  For WIPING.

[Laurakinch]

I'm catching up with the latest episodes and enjoying them so much, Thank you Gentlemen! The last one with the call from falkie with "noory" was hilarious, laughed so hard I cried!   

[eddie dean]

I'm catching up with the latest episodes and enjoying them so much, Thank you Gentlemen! The last one with the call from falkie with "noory" was hilarious, laughed so hard I cried!   

Thank yewwwwww!
I'm glad you enjoy the show! 

[fineart]

Hello. I really do enjoy the Gabcast but I have just a few things that will make it better.

1)More about Art Bell and the Forum.

2)More George Noory bashing.

3)Less Jaz because he made Art Bell mad so he quit darkmatter.

4)More Sex, Drugs, and rock n roll.

[wr250]

Lets just say that not having my pants on was one of the reasons I missed the last GabCast and leave it at that.

I will be back next week. Pants are optional.

#pantshavezipsforareason

he ate to many taintco sugar free asscandies with ears, then documented that inevitable outcome with pictures for the next gabcast.
that is why his pants were down.

[UnscreenedCaller]

he ate to many taintco sugar free asscandies with ears, then documented that inevitable outcome with pictures for the next gabcast.
that is why his pants were down.

I am praying to god that whatever's in the pictures doesn't have ears. Just sayin'

[jazmunda]

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[bateman]

Is your suspension over, Jaz?