Art Bell

[DarKPenguiN]

RC Cola of course

[SciFiAuthor]

Do I think Arts stalker is a corporate shill? No- I think there is no stalker.

Based on what? Art's story is consistent.

[trostol]

not a fan of RC?

[DarKPenguiN]

Based on what? Art's story is consistent.

Its consistent yes, but not consistent in the way a person in fear for their safety (and their families) would act.

Hence the speculation.

Put yourself in Arts shoes. You are shot at on your own property- You are a target of a sniper-Are you out taking pictures with your child at night for any reason, whatsoever? Are you even outside at night when a sniper could easily be positioned and watching your house? You smoke cigarettes in the military under raincoats because even the cherry on your cigarette can be a beacon call to a sniper- Arts got flood lights on and is out with his child a few weeks after being shot at? Claiming hes terrified. being terrorized and targeted on his own land.

You are being stalked- Do you post vacation pictures with landmarks in the background (anyone look at the meta data on the picture and see what information that entails?)

These are issues I cannot wrap my head around. Its not the normal behavior of someone really in fear for their life.

Does that mean I am saying I am 100% right? No. its speculation based on my understanding of how most people handle credible threats to their lives.

[SciFiAuthor]

Its consistent yes, but not consistent in the way a person in fear for their safety (and their families) would act.

How the fuck would you know? Ever been a celebrity and stalked by someone?

[DarKPenguiN]

How the fuck would you know? Ever been a celebrity and stalked by someone?

No- But I can read how other celebrities handle it when it happens and they are showing good cautious judgement and real terror over simple online threats (no firearms and trespassers being involved)

I also gave 2 recent examples  in another thread-  Look what happened when Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu got threats on twitter- they fled their homes, the FBI is involved , police escorts,media circus, they cancelled engagements and completely changed their itinerary and went underground more or less...Even a congresswoman got involved-Over twitter threats.Not a person peering into windows, gunfire AND threats/intimidation.

They got the FBI involved over twitter threats (confirmed by Kotaku,I think) and tons of Police agencies. They acted as if they had real fear. Like a person who believed they were a target would probably act.

[SciFiAuthor]

No- But I can read how other celebrities handle it when it happens and they are showing good cautious judgement and real terror

How the fuck do you do that without digging into the tabloids? I mean, that stuff is written as a narrative for their readers, it's not valid. So how do you boil it down to the basics with the other celebrities you waste your life fucking with?

[Jackstar]

So how do you boil it down to the basics with the other celebrities you waste your life fucking with?

[Totally Not The Stalker]

SciFi Author is going to kill himself when he finally allows himself to see that Art's story is full of shit.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

[DarKPenguiN]

How the fuck do you do that without digging into tabloids? I mean, that stuff is written as a narrative for their readers, it's not valid. So how do you boil it down to the basics with the other celebrities you fuck with?

Sure it is. with the Brianna Wu, Anita Sarkeesian thing I was more or less there since it was idiots from the side of a debate I am part of (or someone pretending to be) who made the threats. This culminated into several bomb threats made against the side I support (which were not taken as credible but still involved police and bomb squads)

The narrative spun for the media is wrong , yes, but the actions of the players involved are very real- Including the precautions these two took since they believed the threats credible (I dont but its all in the eye of the beholder)

-That aside. There is plenty of interviews , literature and the like that isnt tabloid and is available. If you think things ;like this are essentially 'shrugged off' you're wrong. These are life changing, PTSD causing massive disruptions to your life and comfort. Nobody is dragging a child out in the dark if they are really that scared. nobody is posting their whereabouts on social media if they are really afraid of a stalker.

I just cant see it. I'm not a celebrity and if I were being stalked and shot at from darkened BLM land in the  middle of nowhere I wouldnt even let my dog out at night nor even walk by an open window. The paranoia and precautions I would be taking wouldnt even allow me to entertain such ideas.

[SciFiAuthor]

SciFi Author is going to kill himself when he finally allows himself to see that Art's story is full of shit.

I don't think it is. You're just looking to play in the shit pile so you can enjoy fucking with an old man in a bad situation. You're garbage. True human garbage. Your death would benefit Earth. I hope it hurts when it happens, given what you've spent your life doing.

[Totally Not The Stalker]

I don't think it is. You're just looking to play in the shit so you can enjoy fucking with an old man in a bad situation. You're garbage. True human garbage. Your death would benefit Earth.

Denial isn't just the name of a river.

[Chronaut]

Most of this shill stuff concerns businesses trying to falsely prop up their offerings. That's fairly common, I think. The negative stuff, attacking other businesses, is less common (because it's less effective, generally), but it still does happen.

The articles I’ve been reading make it clear that character assassination and social media manipulation is a big part of government shill operations.  I don’t think they’d be doing it if it wasn’t effective.  So why wouldn’t corporate creeps use the same tools? 

But in terms of BellGab, I have a little trouble trying to imagine some ambitious corporate sociopath type trying to score points around the office by releasing the hounds on BellGab. I think he would probably get laughed at, which wouldn't be the reaction he was looking for. A smart sociopath would come up with a better plan to increase profits or protect the business. A dumb sociopath would probably be ignored altogether.

You’re thinking like a human; that’s a mistake.  Sociopaths don’t hang out around the cooler blabbing their crimes/agendas to the secretary; that’s why they’re so hard to catch.  Like I said, all it would take is one creep with an agenda.  If it were me, I’d do it quietly, pay for it through a shell corporation, or perhaps use bitcoin, or hell even a money order.  Did you read the article about the paid online shill?  The whole business is shifty as hell â€" the shops don’t even stick around in one location for more than a few months.  That’s why they’re called covert online operations. 

The ASS has possibilities, though, as a low-level corporate goon hire. I'd like to know more about him.

You and me both…(lol at the acronym).  Unresolved mysteries like this drive me crazy, like an itch you can’t scratch.  But we’re never going to know because the only way to catch him is to lure him out, and Art doesn’t want to do that.  I think it could be done safely, but Art doesn’t seem to think so and I can’t blame him with his family in the equation, so that’s the end of it.

[SciFiAuthor]

Denial isn't just the name of a river.

Kill yourself so Earth will be better off. You're true human garbage man, just trash. No redeeming value.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

The articles I’ve been reading make it clear that character assassination and social media manipulation is a big part of government shill operations.  I don’t think they’d be doing it if it wasn’t effective.  So why wouldn’t corporate creeps use the same tools? 

You’re thinking like a human; that’s a mistake.  Sociopaths don’t hang out around the cooler blabbing their crimes/agendas to the secretary; that’s why they’re so hard to catch.  Like I said, all it would take is one creep with an agenda.  If it were me, I’d do it quietly, pay for it through a shell corporation, or perhaps use bitcoin, or hell even a money order.  Did you read the article about the paid online shill?  The whole business is shifty as hell â€" the shops don’t even stick around in one location for more than a few months.  That’s why they’re called covert online operations. 

You and me both…(lol at the acronym).  Unresolved mysteries like this drive me crazy, like an itch you can’t scratch.  But we’re never going to know because the only way to catch him is to lure him out, and Art doesn’t want to do that.  I think it could be done safely, but Art doesn’t seem to think so and I can’t blame him with his family in the equation, so that’s the end of it.

For the fourth time, who do you think is paid dissension on this site?

[DarKPenguiN]

For the fourth time, who do you think is paid dissension on this site?

The lolcow looks suspicious

[Totally Not The Stalker]

Kill yourself so Earth will be better off. You're true garbage man, just trash.

All this hate and vitriol because I think his story is bullshit? You are a sad little man. Too bad you missed signing up with Jim Jones because you would have been the first to sample his Kool-Aid.

[SciFiAuthor]

All this hate and vitriol because I think his story is bullshit? You are a sad little man. Too bad you missed signing up with Jim Jones because you would have been the first to sample his Kool-Aid.

For you to be you and how you act here, your life must suck ass. You must wake up every day asking yourself if you should just end it all. Well, you would do the planet a favor if you did. You are useless. You have no value on this planet. It's time for you to pull the trigger. Fuck you.

[Totally Not The Stalker]

For you to be you and how you act here, your life must suck ass. You must wake up every day asking yourself if you should just end it all. Well, you would do the planet a favor if you did. You are useless. You have no value on this planet. It's time for you to pull the trigger. Fuck you.

Stop projecting.

[DarKPenguiN]

All this hate and vitriol because I think his story is bullshit? You are a sad little man. Too bad you missed signing up with Jim Jones because you would have been the first to sample his Kool-Aid.

Its Cultural Marxist SJW  logic.

Its totally logical to wish or threaten death on another person for using 'hurtful words'-  because those two things are equally bad now.

And its a logic that is actually taking root. After the germany rape attacks there was an article (among many) claiming that the 'anti muslim sentiment expressed on right wing websites was AS BAD as the rapes themselves.

Its becoming very very scary and this is the beginnings of the loss of free speech.

[akwilly]

Its Cultural Marxist SJW  logic.

Its totally logical to wish or threaten death on another person for using 'hurtful words'-  because those two things are equally bad now.

And its a logic that is actually taking root. After the germany rape attacks there was an article (among many) claiming that the 'anti muslim sentiment expressed on right wing websites was AS BAD as the rapes themselves.

Its becoming very very scary and this is the beginnings of the loss of free speech.

well said

[SciFiAuthor]

Stop projecting.

Pussy.

[Jackstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAJrFKxyriQ

Your arguments are invalid.

[Totally Not The Stalker]

Pussy.

You mad, bro.

[SciFiAuthor]

You mad, bro.

No, not really. Address what I said.

[Value Of Pi]

The articles I’ve been reading make it clear that character assassination and social media manipulation is a big part of government shill operations.  I don’t think they’d be doing it if it wasn’t effective.  So why wouldn’t corporate creeps use the same tools? 

Corporations don't operate with the same power and impunity as certain government agencies. They face much bigger risks of getting caught and much bigger penalties if they are caught. Businesses also look for the most bang for their bucks; the government doesn't worry as much about that. Pumping your own business is safer and less risky (and ultimately, less expensive) than attacking someone else's, so that's what companies are more attracted to. Even in advertising, negative ads are less risky and more effective, with the only exception being political ads.

You’re thinking like a human; that’s a mistake.  Sociopaths don’t hang out around the cooler blabbing their crimes/agendas to the secretary; that’s why they’re so hard to catch.  Like I said, all it would take is one creep with an agenda.  If it were me, I’d do it quietly, pay for it through a shell corporation, or perhaps use bitcoin, or hell even a money order.  Did you read the article about the paid online shill?  The whole business is shifty as hell â€" the shops don’t even stick around in one location for more than a few months.  That’s why they’re called covert online operations. 

You have an image of sociopaths running rampant through corporations doing evil deeds with no controls on them or their actions. It's not as bad as that generally, although you can certainly find plenty of examples: Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, among others. You also have to remember that most people and most employees are not sociopaths and have no desire to take stupid risks which could hurt their careers or land them in legal trouble. Again, the ASS as a corporate goon hire is possible but so are a lot of things.

You and me both…(lol at the acronym).  Unresolved mysteries like this drive me crazy, like an itch you can’t scratch.  But we’re never going to know because the only way to catch him is to lure him out, and Art doesn’t want to do that.  I think it could be done safely, but Art doesn’t seem to think so and I can’t blame him with his family in the equation, so that’s the end of it.

I'd love to get the story with this guy. But, it could also turn out to be a big nothing, some jerk with nothing better to do. Life can be pretty banal when it's not shocking the crap out of you.

[The King of Kings]

Pussy.

lol, that wit!

[BellBoy]

not a fan of RC?

Those fuckers at RC are hardcore, man. Hardcore.

[Element 115]

Its consistent yes, but not consistent in the way a person in fear for their safety (and their families) would act.

Hence the speculation.

Put yourself in Arts shoes. You are shot at on your own property- You are a target of a sniper-Are you out taking pictures with your child at night for any reason, whatsoever? Are you even outside at night when a sniper could easily be positioned and watching your house? You smoke cigarettes in the military under raincoats because even the cherry on your cigarette can be a beacon call to a sniper- Arts got flood lights on and is out with his child a few weeks after being shot at? Claiming hes terrified. being terrorized and targeted on his own land.

You are being stalked- Do you post vacation pictures with landmarks in the background (anyone look at the meta data on the picture and see what information that entails?)

These are issues I cannot wrap my head around. Its not the normal behavior of someone really in fear for their life.

Does that mean I am saying I am 100% right? No. its speculation based on my understanding of how most people handle credible threats to their lives.