Art Bell

[MV/Liberace!]

Settle down, Beavis.

heh heh

[Yorkshire pud]

Do penguin babys have placenta?

You are aware that birds lay eggs? Yes? They have the yoke sac and allantois to nurture the embryo, but you knew that didn't you?

[DarKPenguiN]

You are aware that birds lay eggs? Yes? They have the yoke sac and allantois to nurture the embryo, but you knew that didn't you?

No, because unlike most Penguins where the father is charged with dealing with the birdlings I said I was grabbing some smokes and would be right back before it ever got that far. Havnt looked back.

I like to eat eggs though. Does this make me bad?

[Yorkshire pud]

No, because unlike most Penguins where the father is charged with dealing with the birdlings I said I was grabbing some smokes and would be right back before it ever got that far. Havnt looked back.

I like to eat eggs though. Does this make me bad?

A lot of birds eat eggs. Some their own. And penguins share the parenting. If they didn't they'd starve, some do if one parent dies.

[dan7800]

Well for once I agree with you, no more Drama thank you, I have things to do in life and this board much as I have enjoyed being a member in the past is not what it once was so I get it, I will leave now.

Art

Don't let the recent trolls here get to you Art.

[Yorkshire pud]

Don't let the recent trolls here get to you Art.

He can't read that, he quit.

[yoego]

Yes I completely understand the rage; I'm a father and legal or not my initial and overriding feeling

Oh pud, please tell us moar about your feeling.

[Yorkshire pud]

Oh pud, please tell us moar about your feeling.

When you learn to spell I will. I promise.

[yoego]

Who owes which fucker what again? We'll be needing accepted accounting principles laid out. Short-term standards to better align the accounts with other internet boards. Bellgabers will need to jointly issue new standards for proper accountability. Some projects value and the corresponding volume of numerals may exceed the napkin's capacity. Consider that MV keeps the list with crayon on the fridge, with his lucky magnet... and that g00gle check. This new account, call it a "bellgab fair value" must include all joint ventures with aldous. It is unreasonable to expect him to foot everyone's combustibles bill. Income tax should be factored in, with or without derecognition to your accounting standards. We are talking about a fair value measurement using financial instruments with the characteristics of equity. A joint discussion paper will be released when aldous has returned. Proper revenue recognition of all aldous joint "proposals" should take into consideration the difference in value for his "hooters" vs. your "pinners". Don't say you dont know what I'm talking about! A recent joint report stated that most of the short-term projects ie. aldous "roaches" have been recycled as "pinners" as outlined in the memorandum of comprehension.

When you learn to spell I will. I promise.

There you pud.
Let's hear about that feeling.

[Yorkshire pud]

There you pud.
Let's hear about that feeling.

The feeling is as follows: pure love...

[nooryisawesome]

Answer the question.

I showed a lie. The lie I brought up was so egregious that Art flipped his shit. Why didnt Art have the record corrected, video pulled and ted Gunderson sued for fabricating legal documents and slander?

If you cannot answer the question- Thats fine.

-If this is such a taboo topic why was it ever made public to begin with and why does the story Art gave not match the documents? Lying about something that that is sicker than bringing up the question as to why the story and documents dont seem to match.

Then the lie stands.

Gunderson is a complete joke. He thought tunnels were built under cities to abuse people. He thought the Illuminati were behind OKC bombings, etc, etc, etc

Anyone who takes anything he said seriously is completely retarded

Gunderson said he stumbled on a secret satanic child murdering cult and included two American presidents, Reagan and Bush (41)

[yoego]

The feeling is as follows: pure love...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201412/whats-the-difference-between-feeling-and-emotion
Ted said: love can give rise not only to amorous feelings, but also to joy, grief, rage, longing, and jealousy, among others.

You love rage, it's sad.

[Yorkshire pud]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201412/whats-the-difference-between-feeling-and-emotion
Ted said: love can give rise not only to amorous feelings, but also to joy, grief, rage, longing, and jealousy, among others.

You love rage, it's sad.

I don't discriminate, i embrace all known feelings. Seriously.

[cosmo]

Hey guys. Anyone know the name of the woman who sailed solo from Mexico to Hawaii at the age of 72? She's a ham and art had some contact with her while she was on her journey. Anyone recall her name??

Her name is Susan Meckley...The first show Art talks to her on Ham Radio while shes at sea about 200 miles out from Hilo, Hawaii...Show date Saturday May 28, 2005 & The second show Art has Susan Meckley on as a guest...Show date Saturday June 11, 2005 ... I hope this helps you...

[SredniVashtar]

Morning all.

An objective observation: I don't condone the unnecessary digging up of AB's son's past to be used against him even if it is in the public domain, but I have noted a paradox, if I may;

...

Anyone else think it a strange dichotomy?

Reported for making sense. Also, I told you about my admission to hospital for a strange dichotomy in total confidence. It still tingles in the cold and I am sensitive about the subject.

[yoego]

Her name is Susan Meckley...The first show Art talks to her on Ham Radio while shes at sea about 200 miles out from Hilo, Hawaii...Show date Saturday May 28, 2005 & The second show Art has Susan Meckley on as a guest...Show date Saturday June 11, 2005 ... I hope this helps you...

MV should give you a medal. Five months later you bring the goods, a fine performance... bravo! And thanks, those were good shows. I remember listening.

[norland2424]

Gunderson is a complete joke. He thought tunnels were built under cities to abuse people. He thought the Illuminati were behind OKC bombings, etc, etc, etc

Anyone who takes anything he said seriously is completely retarded

Gunderson said he stumbled on a secret satanic child murdering cult and included two American presidents, Reagan and Bush (41)

this +1000

[yoego]

Art 
Bellgab 
Noory 
MV 
me 
bye for now.

[Yorkshire pud]

Reported for making sense. Also, I told you about my admission to hospital for a strange dichotomy in total confidence. It still tingles in the cold and I am sensitive about the subject.

You were hospitalised for that? I knew a friend who managed with just an application of ointment twice a day. In fact I; I mean he recovered quite quickly.

[DarKPenguiN]

Gunderson is a complete joke. He thought tunnels were built under cities to abuse people. He thought the Illuminati were behind OKC bombings, etc, etc, etc

Anyone who takes anything he said seriously is completely retarded

Gunderson said he stumbled on a secret satanic child murdering cult and included two American presidents, Reagan and Bush (41)

I agree-  Ive said as much many posts back even stating that its scary as hell he was in charge in a gopod portion of the FBI on the west coast. thats frightening he had that much power .

But you are mistaking the man from that one tiny piece of information. The documents he presented that conflict with Arts telling .

Normally I would say he was lying/forging/whatever and Art just didnt give a shit. But Art sued him for defamation for far less than that and that would have been an easy criminal charge I think for forgery on those documents. So if that particular video was wrong about Art bell- he would have sued Gunderson like he has done before. he didnt.

Gunderson is an idiot. but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

There are only two possibilities.

1. gunderson lied about the whole thing and Art didnt "feel" like pursuing it in court. Unlikely because of Arts history of litigation against gunderson.
2.gunderson was telling the truth ON THAT ISSUE (doesnt make him right about all the crazy shit) and Art couldnt sue.

So are you saying then you believe Gunderson lied and Art just 'let it go"? I find that extremely hard to believe. he was after me for only bringing it up but decided to leave guinderson al,one to make videos, write articles and give lectures about it.

So therein lies my dilemma.

And I have to say I think Art would have sued the everliving shit out of gunderson if that were a lie and those documents faked. And I think most reasonable people would agree. Did you see the transcript of what Art sued him over? Why would he then just shrug these accusations off?

EDIT- You mentioned Bush 41 and Gundersons accusations. no merit. BUT if Bush 41 would have already sued Gunderson once for defamation and was paid for far less than that particular accusation- And then a year later gunderson made a new video bringing those accusations against Bush 41, showed documents  and bush didnt do a thing to sue - It would give credence to those allegations.

You either dont care about being defamed by someone or you do. if you nail someone for defamation and win a settlement and a year later that person is lying about you again, complete with faked documents - You would sue again. right?

[Meister_000]

 no dilemma: Seal Lives Matter

[Yorkshire pud]

May not be the place to post it; but I think this is an interesting read...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35111707

A social networking CEO is subjected to racist attacks on her own website. A cartoonist's life is trashed by trolls. Women get rape and death threats. There's a case to be made that online, 2015 was a year of increased hate.

Those of us who watch social media for a living - or who are long-time users of sites like Facebook and Twitter - realise that nastiness has always been a part of life online. But over the course of the past year or so, it seemed to some of us at BBC Trending that the steady background beat of online anger gradually turned into a pounding 24-7 drumbeat of angst, impossible to ignore.
So we set out to see if levels of hate speech did rise on social media this year.

First, definitions. The idea that abuse and harassment is on the rise seems to be common today among journalists and tech people, but defining the problem is itself problematic. Hate speech laws and norms vary from country to country. And there is - and always has been - profound disagreement on what constitutes online abuse, hate or trolling.

That's just the opening few paragraphs.

[DarKPenguiN]

May not be the place to post it; but I think this is an interesting read...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35111707


That's just the opening few paragraphs.

This is where things are heading- because speech is scary.

A clampdown is coming online- No doubt. ive been seeing it with they way they've lied about gamergate and used a double standard. Recently a city councilwoman actually doxxed her own constituites who were opposed to "black Lives matters" and faced no repercussion because she is on the "approved" side of the information war.

Its actually a very interesting topic. The way things are moving is going to be censor heavy ,controlled narrative and shackling the hands of some while letting others run wild. happening on Twitter as we speak. In some cases where some are being banned for merely disagreeing with SJW's but SJWs are now free to send threats because "their feelings were hurt" without any fear of repercussions.

The internet as we know it is at its dusk.

We either have free speech or we do not.

This will bleed into real life as well. you can see it on the college campuses now. many are in favor of criminilizing speech if it hurts the feelings of certain groups- but only certain groups. White men can be offended with impunity as long as they arent gay and a 'protected class'.

man I could go way off topic on this- if you start a thread somewhere PM the link since it would be a good discussion.

[nooryisawesome]

I agree-  Ive said as much many posts back even stating that its scary as hell he was in charge in a gopod portion of the FBI on the west coast. thats frightening he had that much power .

But you are mistaking the man from that one tiny piece of information. The documents he presented that conflict with Arts telling .

Normally I would say he was lying/forging/whatever and Art just didnt give a shit. But Art sued him for defamation for far less than that and that would have been an easy criminal charge I think for forgery on those documents. So if that particular video was wrong about Art bell- he would have sued Gunderson like he has done before. he didnt.

Gunderson is an idiot. but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

There are only two possibilities.

1. gunderson lied about the whole thing and Art didnt "feel" like pursuing it in court. Unlikely because of Arts history of litigation against gunderson.
2.gunderson was telling the truth ON THAT ISSUE (doesnt make him right about all the crazy shit) and Art couldnt sue.

So are you saying then you believe Gunderson lied and Art just 'let it go"? I find that extremely hard to believe. he was after me for only bringing it up but decided to leave guinderson al,one to make videos, write articles and give lectures about it.

So therein lies my dilemma.

And I have to say I think Art would have sued the everliving shit out of gunderson if that were a lie and those documents faked. And I think most reasonable people would agree. Did you see the transcript of what Art sued him ? Why would he just shrug these accusations off?

EDIT- You mentioned Bush 41 and Gundersons accusations. no merit. BUT if Bush 41 would have already sued Gunderson once for defamation and was paid for far less than that particular accusation- And then a year later gunderson made a new video bringing those accusations against Bush 41, showed documents  and bush didnt do a thing to sue - It would give credence to those allegations.

You either dont care about being defamed by someone or you do. if you nail someone for defamation and win a settlement and a year later that person is lying about you again, complete with faked documents - You would sue again. right?

So you are inferring Art is a molester?
If Gunderson's so called documents are true then why was there never any investigation of Art?

It simply isn't true. To accuse a man whose child was molested, of committing such a heinous act with no proof, is disgusting. Gunderson had a history of fabricating evidence, when the facts proof otherwise.

With the sole basis of your argument is "documents" presented by Ted Gunderson?

[Yorkshire pud]

We either have free speech or we do not.

Indeed...

Todd points out that online abuse gives governments and corporations justification for censorship, and somewhat counter-intuitively, can have a chilling effect on free speech.

[DarKPenguiN]

So you are inferring Art is a molester? If Gunderson's so called documents are true then why was there never any investigation of Art?
It simply isn't true. To accuse a man whose child was molested, of committing such a heinous act with no proof, is disgusting. Gunderson had a history of fabricating evidence, when the facts proof otherwise.

With the sole basis of your argument is "documents" presented by Ted Gunderson?

No, I dont think Arts a child molester and thats not what the documents say at all- Nor what gunderson said (that I know of...)-

The documents had nothing to do with Art bell. it was the conviction of the teacher who had sex with Arts son and didnt reveal he was HIV positive .

I dont think Art is a molester and I certainly hope that not the  interpretation i'm giving. \

Did you watch the video?

[Yorkshire pud]

So you are inferring Art is a molester?

No, I don't think he's implying it.

If Gunderson's so called documents are true then why was there never any investigation of Art?
It simply isn't true. To accuse a man whose child was molested, of committing such a heinous act with no proof, is disgusting.

With the sole basis of your argument is "documents" presented by Ted Gunderson?

I don't think AB is the protagonist; only that Gunderson's version of events don't gel with AB's.  Penguin is suggesting that if Gunderson is lying, then AB would have sued him (Gunderson) by now.

I think.

I still think it was in very bad taste to post it however, and can fully understand AB's anger.

[DarKPenguiN]

No, I don't think he's implying it.
I don't think AB is the protagonist; only that Gunderson's version of events don't gel with AB's.  Penguin is suggesting that if Gunderson is lying, then AB would have sued him (Gunderson) by now.

I still think it was in very bad taste to post it however, and can fully understand AB's anger.

I think.

Exactly. And yes, its probably in poor taste.

it was brought up because I was saying Art lied and kept hearing 'prove it"- So I did imho. That video shows that either Art lied or failed to worry about a defamation case he would have easily won.

I'm also not making light of the issue. I wish no harm on Art or his family, dont hate Art and think what happened was fucked up. I was merely showing a lie not excusing anything.

[nooryisawesome]

No, I dont think Arts a child molester and thats not what the documents say at all- Nor what gunderson said (that I know of...)-

The documents had nothing to do with Art bell. it was the conviction of the teacher who had sex with Arts son and didnt reveal he was HIV positive .

I dont think Art is a molester and I certainly hope that not the  interpretation i'm giving. \

Did you watch the video?

I don't want to drag old things up.

The broadcast in question originated from WWCR on Dec. 9, 1997. The alleged statements were made during an interview by talk show host David Hinkson and former FBI agent Ted Gunderson. Fox claims Gunderson told Hinkson that Bell had been indicted for child molestation in Nevada and had asked authorities to cover up the evidence and dismiss the indictment. Listeners were invited to contact Bell about the indictment. Bell says he was so harassed that he decided to quit. ``When people continue to call you things like a child molester, you're not in any particular frame of mind but defend yourself,'' he says. Fox says, ``It is a fair characterization to suggest that Hinkson was egged on by Gunderson, and there was some form of instigation taking place'' when the allegations were made. Fox says it was ``absolutely shocking'' that a person hosting a radio program would hear this kind of attack without knowing its validity and not end the discussion.

http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbella.htm

[DarKPenguiN]

I don't want to drag old things up.

http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbella.htm

Yeah, thats not what i'm talking about. Art sued for that and won a settlement. (edit- Thats why I say he already sued gunderson once and won $$$, but didnt sue him again for defamation leaving me to believe the second issue was true- not that) The transcript of what was said is on the video and gunderson talks about it. But thats not at all what i'm talking about.

I'm talking about the documents outlining the conviction of the teacher.