Random Political Thoughts

[Quick Karl]

Oh, OK. Fair enough. < NOT being sarcastic.

Thank you. Nice to meet you.

[FightTheFuture]

What politician doesnt take advantage of an opportunity ?

Shes been standing there for awhile ..of course the other women are aware shes feeling poorly ..we women are intuitive ..

This is such bullshit

The ''intuitive'' friend of the pregnant lady communicates with someone in the crowd. She immediately pulls her arm away from her pregnant friend. Thats the signal for prego to start wobbling. Notice how the concerned, intuitive friend NEVER EVEN LOOKS AT HER WOBBLING FRIEND.


If  you cant see it's staged, then I truly feel sorry for you. You have become  an Obama zombie.

[Sardondi]

If people are out there attacking the Tea Party unfairly I'd urge them to stop....

Seriously - you're nominating yourself The Arbiter of Fairness? You're the standard? And you're going to be the defender of truth and right? So that if  - just trust you! - you saw aaaaaanything at all improper or unfair with the media's coverage of Tea Party issues, why, you'd hop in there with your First Amendment badge of courage and fight the good fight. Do I have that right? You're going to protect the rights of these same people you describe as "a dangerous bunch of unhinged, uneducated, unthinking paranoids". And, of course, you see nothing. Looks fine to you, eh? Ergo, as the universal conscience, since you see nothing, there must be nothing to see? Or put another way, since you haven't "urged them to stop", the media must have said nothing at all misleading or false. Heh.

Thank you for clearing that up. And thanks for taking on that burden. And thanks as well for, yet one more time, demonstrating the sheer arrogance seen in a distressing number of "progressives", and the sneering contempt in which they hold the ideas and ideals of conservatives.

[NowhereInTime]

Seriously - you're nominating yourself The Arbiter of Fairness? You're the standard? And you're going to be the defender of truth and right? So that if  - just trust you! - you saw aaaaaanything at all improper or unfair with the media's coverage of Tea Party issues, why, you'd hop in there with your First Amendment badge of courage and fight the good fight. Do I have that right? You're going to protect the rights of these same people you describe as "a dangerous bunch of unhinged, uneducated, unthinking paranoids". And, of course, you see nothing. Looks fine to you, eh? Ergo, as the universal conscience, since you see nothing, there must be nothing to see? Or put another way, since you haven't "urged them to stop", the media must have said nothing at all misleading or false. Heh.

Thank you for clearing that up. And thanks for taking on that burden. And thanks as well for, yet one more time, demonstrating the sheer arrogance seen in a distressing number of "progressives", and the sneering contempt in which they hold the ideas and ideals of conservatives.

You know what really undercuts conservatives in this country?  Your constant and tiring complaint about liberal bias everywhere you look.  Oh, its in the Media.  Now its in Academia.  Now its in Hollywood.  Now its in Wall Street (as if).  Now its in bureacracy.
You think people are stupid sheep that they don't know you control major media?  You think people respect people who whine about "fairness" all the time?
Instead of bellyaching about fairness or the incompetence of liberals or marxist-leninist ghosts from history or some guy named Alinsky or Chomsky or Mr Reese and Mr Finch could you please do the world a favor and be honest about who you are and what you really want?
And don't try to hide it in terms of what you don't like and liberal plague, yada yada. Just come out and give us your view on issues, plain and succinct.

[NowhereInTime]

The ''intuitive'' friend of the pregnant lady communicates with someone in the crowd. She immediately pulls her arm away from her pregnant friend. Thats the signal for prego to start wobbling. Notice how the concerned, intuitive friend NEVER EVEN LOOKS AT HER WOBBLING FRIEND.


If  you cant see it's staged, then I truly feel sorry for you. You have become  an Obama zombie.

We prefer to be called "Obambies", please.

[FightTheFuture]

We prefer to be called "Obambies", please.

Ha Ha Ha...I like it. Good stuff!


Just don`t call me a GD tea-bagger!

[PB the Deplorable]

... liberal bias everywhere you look.  Oh, its in the Media.  Now its in Academia.  Now its in Hollywood.  Now its in Wall Street (as if).  Now its in bureacracy...

Yes

... Instead of bellyaching about fairness or the incompetence of liberals or marxist-leninist ghosts from history or some guy named Alinsky or Chomsky or Mr Reese and Mr Finch could you please do the world a favor and be honest about who you are and what you really want?...

Ok.  We are the people that built this country - the regular folks who put in the effort to get an education, who get up in the morning and go to work, who do our jobs and earn our pay.  We take care of our families, and do our part in the neighborhood and the community.

We want to be mostly left alone by the government.  That means small, un-intrusive government at all levels, with low taxes.  We expect them to use our tax money wisely to take care of the things the private sector doesn't do well like roads and bridges, the park system, police and fire, the courts, and so on.


But you knew all that.  What I don't get is the people that hate us for wanting things that way.  For wanting personal Liberty.  Maybe you can explain that.

[Quick Karl]

[Quick Karl]

NWIT, you make George Noory look like Albert Einstein.

[NowhereInTime]

Yes




Ok.  We are the people that built this country - the regular folks who put in the effort to get an education, who get up in the morning and go to work, who do our jobs and earn our pay.  We take care of our families, and do our part in the neighborhood and the community.

We want to be mostly left alone by the government.  That means small, un-intrusive government at all levels, with low taxes.  We expect them to use our tax money wisely to take care of the things the private sector doesn't do well like roads and bridges, the park system, police and fire, the courts, and so on.


But you knew all that.  What I don't get is the people that hate us for wanting things that way.  For wanting personal Liberty.  Maybe you can explain that.

No you're not the people who built this country.
Your slaves built this country.  Then it was your sharecroppers and indentured servants.  Then it was child labor.
You're the craven wealthy who manilpulate others to work long hours for low pay and minimal benefits.  You think because you figured out a way to get rich you're smarter and therefore better than everyone else.
Your inflated sense of self drives you to craft public policy around your skewed vision fo the self-made man; that somehow everyone has the same choice, access to capital, entrepreneurial spirit, and educational background to do what you have done but, for some reason as yet to be unexplained, they're just so damn lazy they'd rather live of $25.00 a month in foodstamps and section 8 vouchers that pay lowest market rate.  To what end?
Your disconnection with people who actually work as opposed to your class of manipulators is so broad spectrum that you have disdain for the very people who work the hours and scrape together to buy the goods - you call them "takers" and you criticize them for wanting more from their employers and their government.  To you anyone who protests the status quo is a "marxist" or an "Occupy" thug.  Seen any Occupy demonstrations lately?
The most egregious thing, though, is that you presume you are the only ones who strive, who care about your community, who take care of your families.  Everyone else (at least 47% of us) are criminal scum trying to deny you your "liberty."
I wish to God conservatives would leave the rest of us alone.  For people who hate government you guys spend an awful lot of time and money trying to control it.

[NowhereInTime]

NWIT, you make George Noory look like Albert Einstein.

Qunt Karl, you make Larry Flint look like Ben Franklin. 
And you are the fashion envy of transvestites everywhere.  You go girl!

[NowhereInTime]

Ha Ha Ha...I like it. Good stuff!


Just don`t call me a GD tea-bagger!

Deal.

[Quick Karl]

No you're not the people who built this country.
Your slaves built this country.  Then it was your sharecroppers and indentured servants.  Then it was child labor.
You're the craven wealthy who manilpulate others to work long hours for low pay and minimal benefits.  You think because you figured out a way to get rich you're smarter and therefore better than everyone else.
Your inflated sense of self drives you to craft public policy around your skewed vision fo the self-made man; that somehow everyone has the same choice, access to capital, entrepreneurial spirit, and educational background to do what you have done but, for some reason as yet to be unexplained, they're just so damn lazy they'd rather live of $25.00 a month in foodstamps and section 8 vouchers that pay lowest market rate.  To what end?
Your disconnection with people who actually work as opposed to your class of manipulators is so broad spectrum that you have disdain for the very people who work the hours and scrape together to buy the goods - you call them "takers" and you criticize them for wanting more from their employers and their government.  To you anyone who protests the status quo is a "marxist" or an "Occupy" thug.  Seen any Occupy demonstrations lately?
The most egregious thing, though, is that you presume you are the only ones who strive, who care about your community, who take care of your families.  Everyone else (at least 47% of us) are criminal scum trying to deny you your "liberty."
I wish to God conservatives would leave the rest of us alone.  For people who hate government you guys spend an awful lot of time and money trying to control it.

You are mentally retarded - the classic underachiever that blames everything but himself for it.

[NowhereInTime]

You are mentally retarded - the classic underachiever that blames everything but himself for it.

You're a festering sore; a cancer on decent civilized society.  Craven greed and self delusion are a deadly mix and you are Patient Zero, thyphoid Mary.

[onan]

I would posit arguing ad infinitem in this echo chamber would qualify for under achieving. Compounding that with ignoring or denigrating those that disagree, would not only merit underachieving but would move into the complete loser category.


I dunno Karl. if your position is to sway other's points of view... well your strategy seems like it may need a makeover. Unless your only reason to be here is just to be angry, then kudos, excellent job.

[Quick Karl]

I would posit arguing ad infinitem in this echo chamber would qualify for under achieving. Compounding that with ignoring or denigrating those that disagree, would not only merit underachieving but would move into the complete loser category.

I dunno Karl. if your position is to sway other's points of view... well your strategy seems like it may need a makeover. Unless your only reason to be here is just to be angry, then kudos, excellent job.

Too bad you don't have the brilliance or integrity to post those comments when your comrades dish out the medicine that they don't like receiving back.

[onan]

Too bad you don't have the brilliance or integrity to post those comments when your comrades dish out the medicine that they don't like receiving back.

So, I am guessing the angry... excellent post on.

[Eddie Coyle]

You're a festering sore; a cancer on decent civilized society.  Craven greed and self delusion are a deadly mix and you are Patient Zero, thyphoid Mary.

       And a gangrenous appendix.

[RealCool Daddio]

Ok.  We are the people that built this country - the regular folks who put in the effort to get an education, who get up in the morning and go to work, who do our jobs and earn our pay.  We take care of our families, and do our part in the neighborhood and the community.

We want to be mostly left alone by the government.  That means small, un-intrusive government at all levels, with low taxes.  We expect them to use our tax money wisely to take care of the things the private sector doesn't do well like roads and bridges, the park system, police and fire, the courts, and so on.


But you knew all that.  What I don't get is the people that hate us for wanting things that way.  For wanting personal Liberty.  Maybe you can explain that.

This describes me and my family perfectly, and I want all of those things as well.  I also want a government that will fight for that same Liberty for all, be they Latino, black, or white, Muslim, Christian or Athiest, straight or gay.  I want the same small government to stay out of the nation's bedrooms, let Bob marry Steve, and keep religion out of the classroom and the public sector.  I want them to support a strong education system, and to end their war on science, free thought, and open-mindedness.  I do not want a single law proposed or implemented based on the Koran, the Bible, or any other religious tract or fairy tale. I want them to defend and help those who can't help themselves, and not use their bully pulpit to blame the victim.  I want them to stay the hell out of women's wombs, and do everything they can to make sure some poor lunatic doesn't shoot my children and their classmates - where they will be learning about such things as evolution, stem cell research, the damage we are doing to our planet, and that while this country was built by immigrants, it was at great cost to it's native people.

My guess is you would think this makes me a Marxist for some reason.

[PB the Deplorable]

No you're not the people who built this country.
Your slaves built this country.  Then it was your sharecroppers and indentured servants.  Then it was child labor.
You're the craven wealthy who manilpulate others to work long hours for low pay and minimal benefits.  You think because you figured out a way to get rich you're smarter and therefore better than everyone else.
Your inflated sense of self drives you to craft public policy around your skewed vision fo the self-made man; that somehow everyone has the same choice, access to capital, entrepreneurial spirit, and educational background to do what you have done but, for some reason as yet to be unexplained, they're just so damn lazy they'd rather live of $25.00 a month in foodstamps and section 8 vouchers that pay lowest market rate.  To what end?
Your disconnection with people who actually work as opposed to your class of manipulators is so broad spectrum that you have disdain for the very people who work the hours and scrape together to buy the goods - you call them "takers" and you criticize them for wanting more from their employers and their government.  To you anyone who protests the status quo is a "marxist" or an "Occupy" thug.  Seen any Occupy demonstrations lately?
The most egregious thing, though, is that you presume you are the only ones who strive, who care about your community, who take care of your families.  Everyone else (at least 47% of us) are criminal scum trying to deny you your "liberty."
I wish to God conservatives would leave the rest of us alone.  For people who hate government you guys spend an awful lot of time and money trying to control it.

Wow, there sure is a lot of anger in all that. 

Is this really your worldview?  Oppressed peoples like what you describe don't usually build countries like ours, have the opportunity we have, or live as well as we do.

[PB the Deplorable]

... My guess is you would think this makes me a Marxist for some reason.

None of that is Marxist.

I think we agree on a lot but prioritize our concerns differently

[NowhereInTime]

Wow, there sure is a lot of anger in all that. 

Is this really your worldview?  Oppressed peoples like what you describe don't usually build countries like ours, have the opportunity we have, or live as well as we do.

My "worldview" is that, for a group of people who consistently denounce government as a resource of a democratic society, conservatives spend far too much time trying to manipulate it.
Conservatives create this visionary sense of self as achievers and strivers.  Fine, well enough.  For whatever reason, though, they are compelled to require the rest of us to not only acknowledge their "greatness" but to somehow celebrate it.  Fine, well enough.
What frustrates me is that need for adulation, compounded by inflated sense of self, becomes the foundation for public policy.  You honestly believe yourselves a "class" of "job-creators" when the last 30 years demonstrates that all you care about is amassing and protecting great quantities of wealth regardless of what companies you destroy or who you lay off or where you might build factories to save on domestic labor.
And, if you haven't noticed, most of the people in this country don't have the opportunity you have or live as well as you do.

[RealCool Daddio]

And, if you haven't noticed, most of the people in this country don't have the opportunity you have or live as well as you do.

I don't agree.  The majority of people have all kinds of opportunity to make the best of their lives.  Are far too many left behind, through no fault of their own - absolutely.  Society, including government, has an obligation to rectify this, and in some cases, that will entail handouts.  But that does not mean they are entitled to everything I have, or the exact same standard of living.  I come from humble roots, and have worked very, very hard - and made many sacrifices - to ensure my wife and kids have a very good standard of living.  For most Americans (and Canadians, and Brits, etc.) there is ample opportunity to reap the rewards of the freedoms we share. 

Regardless of who is in the Whitehouse.

[NowhereInTime]

... But that does not mean they are entitled to everything I have, or the exact same standard of living.   I come from humble roots, and have worked very, very hard - and made many sacrifices - to ensure my wife and kids have a very good standard of living.  For most Americans (and Canadians, and Brits, etc.) there is ample opportunity to reap the rewards of the freedoms we share. 

Regardless of who is in the Whitehouse.

I don't know why this keeps coming up.  I don't know of anyone on these threads, or for that matter in serious political discussion anywhere, advocating grey pajamas for everyone.  It isn't that everyone is entitled to your prosperity, nor the same standard of living.  But what about the same opportunities?  Can you say without equivocation that equal opportunity exists in this country? 
I think the "downsizing" epidemic of the turn of the millenium has left a lot of people bitter; people who committed their lives to their companies only to have them pack up and set up shop in a foreign land (and get tax credits for doing so) leaving them in the lurch. 
What of these people? 
What of the people downsized during the economic collapse who were holding down respectable jobs at respectable wages?  They've never been re-hired though corporate profits are at record levels because the New Order of things dictates that should some overworked employee drop dead there are now three people waiting to take the job. 
What of these people?
Finally, what of the people who were downsized, streamlined, outsourced after years of loyal work? We say to them, "re-train for the jobs of the 21st century" but do we give them any break in terms of family care? Training time versus work time? Health care while between careers? Free education to prepare for the new careers?  I've not seen evidence of anyone saying or doing anything but telling people "them's the breaks" and "pull youself up by your bootstraps".

[b_dubb]

Seriously - you're nominating yourself The Arbiter of Fairness? You're the standard? And you're going to be the defender of truth and right? So that if  - just trust you! - you saw aaaaaanything at all improper or unfair with the media's coverage of Tea Party issues, why, you'd hop in there with your First Amendment badge of courage and fight the good fight. Do I have that right? You're going to protect the rights of these same people you describe as "a dangerous bunch of unhinged, uneducated, unthinking paranoids". And, of course, you see nothing. Looks fine to you, eh? Ergo, as the universal conscience, since you see nothing, there must be nothing to see? Or put another way, since you haven't "urged them to stop", the media must have said nothing at all misleading or false. Heh.

Thank you for clearing that up. And thanks for taking on that burden. And thanks as well for, yet one more time, demonstrating the sheer arrogance seen in a distressing number of "progressives", and the sneering contempt in which they hold the ideas and ideals of conservatives.

this thread gets dumber and dumber everyday. thanks for making a mountain out of mole hill. 

and they say 'liberalism' is a mental illness

How come Obama isn't proposing this, but only some dolt on an Internet forum is? If Obama can impose Obamacare on America against America's will, why doesn't he just shut the Joint Strike Fighter down?

Obama wanted to cancel the program early on but I'm guessing that 1.5 trillion dollars buys a lot of political pressure from both parties

[Quick Karl]

Obama wanted to cancel the program early on but I'm guessing that 1.5 trillion dollars buys a lot of political pressure from both parties

b_dubb,

I say this with complete respect. Are you saying that Obama is willing to sell you out, for money? I thought only Republicans did that, and the handful of them in Government Bureaucracies are such sinister cynical geniuses that they can control anything they want, and Obama and those poor warm-fuzzy Democrats are just helpless to do anything about it in the face of such overwhelming cunning?

All kidding aside - it is a mistake to believe, for a millisecond, that both political parties are NOT in on the same scams, period. Anything any of them says to the contrary, is just for show. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, and close runner up Rand Paul, are the only politicians in Washington, that actually do what they promised their voters they would do.

If Obama really wanted to end the JSF program, he would have done it, just as quickly as he signed the order to open the National Mall to low-wage Illegal Aliens DEMANDING your Birthright (presuming you are a natural born American) be bestowed to them, just because they were able to sneak in (and WILL vote for WELFARE and other FREEBIES that the few working people left in America have to pay for).

It's NOT the Republicans fucking you, it's the Democrats AND the Republicans.

My grandfather used to tell me: "Don't believe anything you hear, and half of what you see". That applies triple to DC and TV, and quadruple to some of the self-appointed PhD's posting in this forum...

[RealCool Daddio]

I don't know why this keeps coming up.  I don't know of anyone on these threads, or for that matter in serious political discussion anywhere, advocating grey pajamas for everyone.  It isn't that everyone is entitled to your prosperity, nor the same standard of living.  But what about the same opportunities?  Can you say without equivocation that equal opportunity exists in this country? 
I think the "downsizing" epidemic of the turn of the millenium has left a lot of people bitter; people who committed their lives to their companies only to have them pack up and set up shop in a foreign land (and get tax credits for doing so) leaving them in the lurch. 
What of these people? 
What of the people downsized during the economic collapse who were holding down respectable jobs at respectable wages?  They've never been re-hired though corporate profits are at record levels because the New Order of things dictates that should some overworked employee drop dead there are now three people waiting to take the job. 
What of these people?
Finally, what of the people who were downsized, streamlined, outsourced after years of loyal work? We say to them, "re-train for the jobs of the 21st century" but do we give them any break in terms of family care? Training time versus work time? Health care while between careers? Free education to prepare for the new careers?  I've not seen evidence of anyone saying or doing anything but telling people "them's the breaks" and "pull youself up by your bootstraps".

I'm not sure how to respond, as I think my first post was pretty clear.  So I will expand on it: there are far too many people who are disadvantaged, who are discriminated against, and who don't have equal opportunity.  Many through no fault of their own.  But I categorically reject the notion that the majority of people fall into those categories.

[Quick Karl]

I'm not sure how to respond, as I think my first post was pretty clear.  So I will expand on it: there are far too many people who are disadvantaged, who are discriminated against, and who don't have equal opportunity.  Many through no fault of their own.  But I categorically reject the notion that the majority of people fall into those categories.

Stupid people are at a disadvantage when compared to Ph'D's - should we give an honorary PhD to everyone? Fat ugly women are at a disadvantage when compared to Supermodels - should we force Sports Illustrated to put fat ugly women in bikinis on the cover of the swimsuit edition?

Certainly, vile cases of true discrimination should be condemned, but beyond that you cannot socially engineer human nature - and despite the propaganda, there are very FEW cases of vile discrimination in American - unless a black kid that could have been Obama's son stabbing a white female jogger is "a hate crime", or a Muslim goes on a killing spree at Fort Hood...

If someone is stupid and/or ugly, they should go to school and/or get themselves in shape - and almost ANYONE can get a grant to go to school!

[PB the Deplorable]

... And, if you haven't noticed, most of the people in this country don't have the opportunity you have or live as well as you do.

Remember a few days ago we were talking about Justice?  I noted it was one of those words very useful to the Left because there will never be Justice for every person in every situation - it's just is not possible in an imperfect world - so the America haters will be able to bash us forever with our imperfect justice.

Opportunity is another one of those words.  There is never going to be equal opportunity for everyone.  People have better or worse parents and families.  The amount of people that can get into the very best handful of universities is limited.  Different opportunities are available in different parts of the country.  Some people aren't as smart or motivated or as good looking as others.  On and on.  It can never be the same for everyone.  So the Left will be able to slam us about 'equal' opportunity forever.

As with Justice, we are left with doing the best we can to give everyone the best opportunities possible.  To me this means solid educations at every school.  It means a strong, growing economy that provides good jobs and the option of starting ones own business.  It means reaching out to the underprivileged.  It means pointing people in the right direction.

It doesn't mean tearing everything down because it isn't perfect.


That's what the Left wants.  That's their solution.  Look at ObamaCare - because of ObamaCare hundreds of thousands, and soon millions, are losing health insurance and even jobs they were happy with.  Left wing hacks Obama and Pelosi chose that instead of building on what was already in place.


There is an old saying about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.  In other words don't destroy something that is merely good because it isn't perfect.


And by the way, the Left's record when it comes to Justice, Opportunity, and all the other slogans they have isn't very good.  I really wish you would take my suggestion to go visit North Korea and see for yourself.

[Quick Karl]

And by the way, the Left's record when it comes to Justice, Opportunity, and all the other slogans they have isn't very good.  I really wish you would take my suggestion to go visit North Korea and see for yourself.

Or Detroit, or DC, or Chicago, or Newark, or, well, you get the idea...