President Donald J. Trump

[Jackstar]

It's hard to have a conversation who constantly backpedals when called out on their past statements that are demonstrably bullshit, too.

However, it is easy to try. Methinks the lad doth protest too much.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

It's hard trying to have a discussion with a Twitter brat like you. I only do it because I tell myself we aren't put on this earth for pleasure alone. You probably have trouble with stuff like this because you never bother with anything beyond your own shores. This stuff is perfectly common in every other country. You notice it and pass on. No big deal. Don't be such a hysterical ninny.

What are you talking about? Your argument gets destroyed so you resort to saying I don't care about other countries? My country is rapidly headed for a civil war because of this. Sorry your cuckdom doesn't matter to me. 

It really is just about maintaining an arrogant tone with you no matter how intellectually bankrupt you are.

[SredniVashtar]

What are you talking about? Your argument gets destroyed so you resort to saying I don't care about other countries? My country is rapidly headed for a civil war because of this. Sorry your cuckdom doesn't matter to me. 

It really is just about maintaining an arrogant tone with you no matter how intellectually bankrupt you are.

Oh, it's a win double with an 'I don't care' and a 'cuck' reference. I'd withdraw your man card, but you didn't have one in the first place.

There are different sorts of information that you treat with differing levels of attention and respect. You put commentary in one folder, and news in another. You don't mix the two, otherwise you get yourself into the sort of tangle you are in now. You think the UK is overrun with Islamic terrorists, for example, that's why I'd canvass the opinion of the local winos before I got around to you.

I'm not even kidding around. You seem genuinely lost here and I''ll try and help, but you are more interested in acting like a dick. Like so many on this thread.

[Yorkshire pud]

What are you talking about? Your argument gets destroyed so you resort to saying I don't care about other countries? My country is rapidly headed for a civil war because of this

Really? Because of stories that might have started life as a joke, but got out of hand and taken seriously? If that's the case then the US as a whole is in a very unstable state of mind. That the defeat of Clinton and the victory of Trump  has generated so much open hostility is genuinely worrying. I hope you're wrong on the civil war possibility.

[SredniVashtar]

I hope you're wrong on the civil war possibility.

He's in his basement huddled under the duvet. Don't count on him for journalistic accuracy.

[Yorkshire pud]

Oh, it's a win double with an 'I don't care' and a 'cuck' reference. I'd withdraw your man card, but you didn't have one in the first place.

There are different sorts of information that you treat with differing levels of attention and respect. You put commentary in one folder, and news in another. You don't mix the two, otherwise you get yourself into the sort of tangle you are in now. You think the UK is overrun with Islamic terrorists, for example, that's why I'd canvass the opinion of the local winos before I got around to you.

I'm not even kidding around. You seem genuinely lost here and I''ll try and help, but you are more interested in acting like a dick. Like so many on this thread.

That one puzzles me too. I've never seen one. Yet if anyone who'd never visited the UK looked on this forum for advice on visiting the UK, they'd be horrified and think it was like the wilder parts of the ME.

[Yorkshire pud]

It's hard to have a conversation who constantly backpedals when called out on their past statements that are demonstrably bullshit, too.

However, it is easy to try. Methinks the lad doth protest too much.

What are you fucking talking about?

[3OctaveFart]

Jackstar backpedals more than a Russian bear on a tricycle, but it's not always the heavy opioid use.

[SredniVashtar]

Your argument gets destroyed so you resort to saying I don't care about other countries?

For example, in the UK you look at each newspaper expecting them all to have a particular slant on the news (Telegraph to the centre-right, Guardian centre-left, Daily Mail well to the right) and adjust accordingly. There's no point going on about identity politics (another meme that gets repeated so often that it's lost all meaning) and all that malarkey, just realise that most of these things need a sceptical eye and you'll be fine. Too many people want to believe what they read, and they shouldn't. People are too often drawn to commentary because it's more engaging, rather than the drier factual stuff that gives them the bare bones, albeit rather dry. That's where the trouble comes from, in my opinion.

[SredniVashtar]

Jackstar backpedals more than a Russian bear on a tricycle, but it's not always the heavy opioid use.

I'm just amazed when he manages a post that doesn't include a reference to 9/11 and/or Sandy Hook.

[SredniVashtar]

That one puzzles me too. I've never seen one. Yet if anyone who'd never visited the UK looked on this forum for advice on visiting the UK, they'd be horrified and think it was like the wilder parts of the ME.

Too often, now, we are getting 'factoids' that are bits of information that get repeated so often that they come to be regarded as true.

[Yorkshire pud]

I'm just amazed when he manages a post that doesn't include a reference to 9/11 and/or Sandy Hook.

You forgot chemtrails; hater.

[SredniVashtar]

You forgot chemtrails; hater.

Continuing the Russian stories that describe Jackstar. I think we can include 'Diary of a Madman' along with 'The Idiot'. Perhaps 'A Hero of Our Time' if I were being ironically charitable.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Oh, it's a win double with an 'I don't care' and a 'cuck' reference. I'd withdraw your man card, but you didn't have one in the first place.

There are different sorts of information that you treat with differing levels of attention and respect. You put commentary in one folder, and news in another. You don't mix the two, otherwise you get yourself into the sort of tangle you are in now. You think the UK is overrun with Islamic terrorists, for example, that's why I'd canvass the opinion of the local winos before I got around to you.

I'm not even kidding around. You seem genuinely lost here and I''ll try and help, but you are more interested in acting like a dick. Like so many on this thread.

I don't really give a fuck what you think. Here the media is openly lying to try to cause civil unrest to prevent a Trump Presidency. You said the media doesn't run on emotional appeals and identity politics. When provided proof, you say it's just commentary. That's all the media is. I don't know how you can possibly be this daft unless you get off to what you think is your intelligence.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

That one puzzles me too. I've never seen one. Yet if anyone who'd never visited the UK looked on this forum for advice on visiting the UK, they'd be horrified and think it was like the wilder parts of the ME.

I'm more offended by your censorship and speech laws.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

For example, in the UK you look at each newspaper expecting them all to have a particular slant on the news (Telegraph to the centre-right, Guardian centre-left, Daily Mail well to the right) and adjust accordingly. There's no point going on about identity politics (another meme that gets repeated so often that it's lost all meaning) and all that malarkey, just realise that most of these things need a sceptical eye and you'll be fine. Too many people want to believe what they read, and they shouldn't. People are too often drawn to commentary because it's more engaging, rather than the drier factual stuff that gives them the bare bones, albeit rather dry. That's where the trouble comes from, in my opinion.

I don't disagree with you on most of this. I think if we were having a conversation, it would be civil and we'd probably arrive in the same place. But the point here is the US media has gone beyond the pale of any sort of journalistic integrity to the point it's nothing but propaganda that's being used to incite idiots.

And for the record, I don't know how Alex Jones went from entertaining loon to respected journalist either.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I'd love to sit here and argue with this Teabag Tag Team all morning but I got stuff to do. You boys have a good day. 

[Lilith]

I'm just amazed when he manages a post that doesn't include a reference to 9/11 and/or Sandy Hook.

What about the 28 pages?

[ItsOver]

I'd love to sit here and argue with this Teabag Tag Team all morning but I got stuff to do. You boys have a good day. 

Ha!  "Teabag Tag Team." 

[albrecht]

https://archive.is/BEA8j

The bipartisan bill, which was introduced by Senators Portman and Murphy in March, will improve the ability of the United States to counter foreign propaganda and disinformation by establishing an interagency center housed at the State Department to coordinate and synchronize counter-propaganda efforts throughout the U.S. government. To support these efforts, the bill also creates a grant program for NGOs, think tanks, civil society and other experts outside government who are engaged in counter-propaganda related work. This will better leverage existing expertise and empower local communities to defend themselves from foreign manipulation.

Propaganda by US government agencies on US citizens and in US media has been legal for several years now. Here is the CFR's own magazine 'Foreign Policy' on the legal changes:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/

Courts have said news organizations don't need to tell the truth:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1310807.html
http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

[Jackstar]

Continuing the Russian stories that describe Jackstar.

[Yorkshire pud]

Propaganda by US government agencies on US citizens and in US media has been legal for several years now. Here is the CFR's own magazine 'Foreign Policy' on the legal changes:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/

Courts have said news organizations don't need to tell the truth:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1310807.html
http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

When was it ever a legal requirement for news organisations to tell the truth? Ethically yes, absolutely. But the uncovering by such as Woodward and Bernstein at the WP, is in the past, except for a few. Even then, smoozing of the rich and powerful by newspaper editors and proprieters (also rich and very powerful), was commonplace.

In the UK, the Daily Telegraph is owned by a secretive pair of twins; the Barclay brothers. As an example of their dereliction of journalistic ethics, as other papers and tv news were covering the scandal of HSBC (bank) laundering money from the proceeds of drug trafficking, that paper didn't even mention it. The fact that HSBC had poured a great deal of their advertising budget into the Telegraph had nothing to do with it!

Trump has said he won't give up his exec producer job on the Apprentice show. Who owns that? NBC. Can anyone be sure that negative or not positive stories about Trump won't be spiked by NBC?

Oh, and for all his electioneering, being anti banking, he's appointed another Goldman Sacs exec. The same GS that brought economic collapse.

[pyewacket]

Unless you back up this rather sweeping statement with a few examples and explain where you see the bias, you are guilty of exactly the same thing.

It's not for me to explain this to you as it would be embarrassing for you. I'd have to get nasty and I don't want to do that. Isn't that the standard reply around here anyway?

[albrecht]

When was it ever a legal requirement for news organisations to tell the truth? Ethically yes, absolutely. But the uncovering by such as Woodward and Bernstein at the WP, is in the past, except for a few. Even then, smoozing of the rich and powerful by newspaper editors and proprieters (also rich and very powerful), was commonplace.

In the UK, the Daily Telegraph is owned by a secretive pair of twins; the Barclay brothers. As an example of their dereliction of journalistic ethics, as other papers and tv news were covering the scandal of HSBC (bank) laundering money from the proceeds of drug trafficking, that paper didn't even mention it. The fact that HSBC had poured a great deal of their advertising budget into the Telegraph had nothing to do with it!

Trump has said he won't give up his exec producer job on the Apprentice show. Who owns that? NBC. Can anyone be sure that negative or not positive stories about Trump won't be spiked by NBC?

Oh, and for all his electioneering, being anti banking, he's appointed another Goldman Sacs exec. The same GS that brought economic collapse.

True but a court proving it is interesting and precedent setting. Re: GS that is no surprise. Financeers run the world, much of them in The City, and lots of them 'connected' over decades/centuries with certain families and royalty. This applies in the non-European world also. I've never seen Apprentice and wasn't even aware it was still on tv. But, yeah, though GE/Comcast is bigger than Trump so I doubt they would bend to his will- more likely the other way. GE owned Obama. Some "fake news" about what everyone 'inside the Beltway' knew:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ge-nbc-and-obama-conflicts-of-interest/
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/04/08/the-unholy-marriage-of-ge-and-president-obama-at-the-altar-of-industrial-policy/&refURL=https://duckduckgo.com/&referrer=https://duckduckgo.com/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/07/01/with-power-africa-plan-obama-to-grease-billions-in-deals-for-g-e/#834310d29d36

[pyewacket]

Do you like him

Are you asking if I fancy him? Well in a way- yes, I'd like to introduce him to my niece- he's a cutie. 

[pyewacket]

astronomical.

Does that mean it it's BIG? 

[Jackstar]

Are you asking if I fancy him? Well in a way- yes, I'd like to introduce him to my niece- he's a cutie. 

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/742482573910278144



I HAVE BECOME JACKSTAR, DESTROYER OF DREAMS.

[Dr. MD MD]

Really? Because of stories that might have started life as a joke, but got out of hand and taken seriously? If that's the case then the US as a whole is in a very unstable state of mind. That the defeat of Clinton and the victory of Trump  has generated so much open hostility is genuinely worrying. I hope you're wrong on the civil war possibility.

Well, sure, there were a bunch of joke stories that some take seriously. Here are a few:

Trump's a racist, sexist, xenophobe and so are people who voted for him.
My server was personal only and contained no state secrets.
It was Russia.
There's some news that's fake news and it's getting people killed.

[Jackstar]

There's some news that's fake news and it's getting people killed.

All of this has happened before;
All of this will happen again.

[Dr. MD MD]

I don't disagree with you on most of this. I think if we were having a conversation, it would be civil and we'd probably arrive in the same place. But the point here is the US media has gone beyond the pale of any sort of journalistic integrity to the point it's nothing but propaganda that's being used to incite idiots.

And for the record, I don't know how Alex Jones went from entertaining loon to respected journalist either.

Really? Is he more looney than the people who are lying to you and trying to foment a civil war?