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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

chefist

Quote from: Rix Gins on November 22, 2016, 03:42:19 PM
Savage had an interesting theory about the prosecuting Hillary turn around on his show today. Remember late election night when that weirdo spokesman came out and told all the assembled Dems. to go home and get a good nights sleep and be back tomorrow because we are going to fight tooth and nail until every vote has been counted, etc.?  The guy left the stage and literally in minutes word was received that Hillary had conceded the election to Donald by phone.  In a classic case of behind the scenes intrigue, Hillary had called Donald with an offer.  She wouldn't fight the election results  (through long, drawn out court proceedings, etc.) and would admit defeat as long as Donald wouldn't prosecute her.  According to the theory, Donald accepted the offer.   

Makes sense...6D chess worked for Trump making the threat at the debate.

analog kid

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 22, 2016, 03:41:49 PM
No offense but you're too low info to be part of the adult conversation. If you want to be part of it go read through the Wikileaks releases and then get back to me. Otherwise, fuck off! The only fake news lately has been the mainstream news.

Link me to the wikilleaks release that shows an indictable offense. You think if something was there the Republicans wouldn't have jumped on it? Think about it. You're free to prove me otherwise. I'll wait.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Al Capone's Vault on November 22, 2016, 03:44:44 PM
Link me to the wikilleaks release that shows an indictable offense. You think if something was there the Republicans wouldn't have jumped on it? Think about it. You're free to prove me otherwise. I'll wait.

I don't have to prove anything to you. You're an idiot! Most here are familiar with them but you're always talking out of your ass. Go link yourself, bro. It's all out there. If you're really too lazy to read H. A. Goodman has made video synopsis of all the releases.

ItsOver

Quote from: Chefist on November 22, 2016, 03:42:31 PM
He proved they are irrelevant... however, their corporate masters don't care if they make a profit. They are an advertising expense for the establishment.
They're just another propaganda ministry, serving only their masters and it's not the public.

ItsOver

Quote from: Chefist on November 22, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
Makes sense...6D chess worked for Trump making the threat at the debate.
Did Trump say he was going to shut-down the ongoing FBI Clinton Foundation investigation?

analog kid

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 22, 2016, 03:47:12 PM
I don't have to prove anything to you. You're an idiot! Most here are familiar with them but you're always talking out of your ass. Go link yourself, bro. It's all out there. If you're really too lazy to read H. A. Goodman has made video synopsis of all the releases.

Ad hominem and ad populum.

Name the specific law, smart guy.

chefist

Quote from: ItsOver on November 22, 2016, 03:51:40 PM
Did Trump say he was going to shut-down the ongoing FBI Clinton Foundation investigation?

No...that I think will go through...it will be shutdown.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Al Capone's Vault on November 22, 2016, 03:56:59 PM
Ad hominem and ad populum.

Name the specific law, smart guy.

I thought I made myself clear. I don't want to engage in a conversation with an idiots who refuse to educate themselves. Good luck with your myopia.  ;)

analog kid

Quote from: Chefist on November 22, 2016, 03:57:16 PM
No...that I think will go through...it will be shutdown.

By whom? The Hillary Illuminati? Trump is in power now. Is he in on it now too?

analog kid

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 22, 2016, 03:59:18 PM
I thought I made myself clear. I don't want to engage in a conversation with an idiots who refuse to educate themselves. Good luck with your myopia.  ;)

With that grammar it's hard to believe you can be clear about anything.

Dr. MD MD


GravitySucks

Quote from: Al Capone's Vault on November 22, 2016, 04:05:18 PM
With that grammar it's hard to believe you can be clear about anything.

Ask yourself one thing. If there were 1000 emails between Clinton and Petraeus that were deleted from her server, were those emails about yoga or about Chelsea's wedding?

Besides classified information, there were official federal records destroyed. Both actions violate the law. Neither requires intent.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/22/1000-clinton-petraeus-emails-missing-from-records-sent-to-state-fbi-files-show.html

She violated several laws as the FBI testified. They didn't recommend prosecution. Yet.


analog kid

Quote from: GravitySucks on November 22, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
Ask yourself one thing. If there were 1000 emails between Clinton and Petraeus that were deleted from her server, were those emails about yoga or about Chelsea's wedding?

Far more than 1000 emails were released, by wikileaks, and no illegal activity was found.


Quote from: GravitySucks on November 22, 2016, 04:10:41 PMBoth actions violate the law. Neither requires intent.

What does that mean?

Quote from: GravitySucks on November 22, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/22/1000-clinton-petraeus-emails-missing-from-records-sent-to-state-fbi-files-show.html

She violated several laws as the FBI testified. They didn't recommend prosecution. Yet.

Fox News? Are you kidding? The FBI stated before congress that there were no laws she broke. That's why she didn't get indicted. If you think otherwise, link to the specific law and prove intent.


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Al Capone's Vault on November 22, 2016, 04:17:47 PM
Far more than 1000 emails were released, by wikileaks, and no illegal activity was found.


What does that mean?

Fox News? Are you kidding? The FBI stated before congress that there were no laws she broke. That's why she didn't get indicted. If you think otherwise, link to the specific law and prove intent.

This is why I don't bite anymore, Grav...because I know it's just a setup for this kind of bullshit.  ::)

Value Of Pi

Quote from: albrecht on November 22, 2016, 03:37:22 PM
I'm laughing because so many in the media and Hollywood thought the country was electing Hitler and some on the far, far right also thought that, maybe, they were. Even though the evidence was so obvious we weren't. Of course Trump is going to tamp down, negotiate, or even maybe change. He is a businessman; not some manic ideologue as portrayed by Hillary's media. And although left kept fretting giving examples of "Jews who helped Hitler" "Jews who helped Stalin" and "looked how that turned out" etc they never acknowledged that some of the key campaign advisors (most key if you believe the recent Forbes article) are ((()))s, to use the apparent internet parlance (family of holocaust victims,) homosexual, etc.

The points were many felt anybody is better than Clinton and at least there is a chance at change or at minimum poke a stick in the eye of Hollywood, experts in Ivory Towers, and the media who have no idea of what "the man in the street" thinks or might be going through. Hillary promised to throw open the border, seek some kind of gun grab or ban, and exacerbate tensions with Russia and further destabilize the Middle East (and take in the Muslim refugees.) AND promised to increase taxes and regulations. With Trump, at a minimum, we, likely, won't have all of that stuff (at least on a Hillary level) and it is a "win" even if that so-called "progress" is stopped, even for a bit.

Nobody I know of, left or right, has accused Trump of being an ideologue. He's a mystery in terms of his core ideas and doesn't seem to have a clear system of beliefs, much less any record of adhering to one.

Don't use the parentheses when you mean to say "Jews" or "Jewish people." You might as well use the K-word or another epithet used by anti-Semites. If you choose to use this device to refer to Jews, you will be perceived as anti-Semitic which I assume you're not.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Al Capone's Vault on November 22, 2016, 04:17:47 PM
Far more than 1000 emails were released, by wikileaks, and no illegal activity was found.


What does that mean?

Fox News? Are you kidding? The FBI stated before congress that there were no laws she broke. That's why she didn't get indicted. If you think otherwise, link to the specific law and prove intent.

I showed you the way to enlightenment. Get yourself another drink and argue with the tv.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 22, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
This is why I don't bite anymore, Grav...because I know it's just a setup for this kind of bullshit.  ::)

Yep.

chefist

Quote from: Al Capone's Vault on November 22, 2016, 04:01:23 PM
By whom? The Hillary Illuminati? Trump is in power now. Is he in on it now too?

IRS

analog kid

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 22, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
This is why I don't bite anymore, Grav...because I know it's just a setup for this kind of bullshit.  ::)

What bullshit is that? You're eating so much of it you don't know reality from fiction. Stand on your own argument instead of relying on other people who've been drinking the same kool-aid.

analog kid

Quote from: Chefist on November 22, 2016, 04:23:43 PM
IRS

The IRS that has let Trump and his foundation get away with fraud, racketeering, self-dealing and bribery?

chefist

Quote from: Al Capone's Vault on November 22, 2016, 04:26:30 PM
The IRS that has let Trump and his foundation get away with fraud, racketeering, self-dealing and bribery?

You got it...NIT, DN, ACV.

136 or 142

Quote from: Segundus on November 22, 2016, 02:50:16 PM
Trump now says he has an open mind concerning the Paris accord.  Who got to him?  I am proud that he is willing to listen to logic and a big enough guy to change his opinions when given facts. 

If he ran with that as a part of his platform, I might have voted for him.

I don't know if he's playing 6D chess, but I certainly think he's likely using game theory.  I think his clear intent is to keep everybody guessing about his intentions so that nobody can plan an attack on his legislation until he brings it forth. 

Only a fool would lay down their guard when dealing with this deranged psychopath.

albrecht

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 22, 2016, 04:20:48 PM
Nobody I know of, left or right, has accused Trump of being an ideologue. He's a mystery in terms of his core ideas and doesn't seem to have a clear system of beliefs, much less any record of adhering to one.

Don't use the parentheses when you mean to say "Jews" or "Jewish people." You might as well use he K-word or another epithet used by anti-Semites. If you choose to use this device to refer to Jews, you will be perceived as anti-Semitic which I assume you're not.
CNN just today had, in the long continuing saga of Trump being the new Hitler, had some guy talking about some "white nationalist" meeting at a DC hotel and associating it with Trump and his advisors (none of whom attended and several of them who employ and work with Jews and others.) Then a claim that a Trump advisor uses the "N-word" (though CNN let him say it) and gives NAZI salutes. NPR is discussing not allowing "conservatives" to be interviewed live or appear on live shows. NPR had several days (I only listened a bit in the car) of doom due to Trump and shows featuring "what do you fear about a Trump administration" with most callers and host(s) framing the debate to assume Trump will almost be genocidal. Even Alex Jones and those types didn't focus so much attention and propaganda when Obama was elected. I certainly don't recall NPR having a show "what do you fear from the Obama administration" (remember he promised to "fundamentally transform the country" and even called his own grandmother "a typical white person.") But no certainly no shows with shivering white people on NPR fearing that Obama is going to deport or kill them. When Obama gave so many millions to Iran in exchange for hostages NPR, CNN, etc didn't have a show featuring Jewish people "what do you fear about the Obama administration" or etc. But they single out Republicans, and especially Trump, for this special treatment. Hopefully the new Congress will handle the public financing of places like NPR/PBS, the public is taking care of CNN or MSNBC (though becoming even more partisan and conspiratorial might be able to boost their ratings as the Obama-planned divided America becomes even more so?) Then again, hopefully, Trump can deport the bad guys and bring the country together- at least on some issues?

Quote from: Chefist on November 22, 2016, 04:30:13 PM
You got it

FBI hasn't prosecuted Hilary yet, she did nothing wrong!

IRS hasn't gone after Trump yet, he did something wrong!

  ;D

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Schlyder7 on November 22, 2016, 03:30:27 PM
Trump is playing 6D chess again.  He is just distancing himself from the investigation/prosecution. As well, he is not wanting Obama to pardon her for anything before he is out of business.  Trump will be making 6D chess moves until Jan.20  Don't take anything said until then as written in stone.  Think a few more moves ahead.

Oh bless you...don't stop believing. 6d chess! Lolololol

analog kid

Quote from: H.L.F. on November 22, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
FBI hasn't prosecuted Hilary yet, she did nothing wrong!

IRS hasn't gone after Trump yet, he did something wrong!

  ;D

Elvis didn't do no drugs.

136 or 142

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 22, 2016, 04:41:07 PM
Oh bless you...don't stop believing. 6d chess! Lolololol

I think it's a big mistake to underestimate Trump.  He's said before that he's studied game theory and this is an article that explains how he used it in the campaign:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/06/17/heres-how-game-theory-helps-explain-donald-trumps-strategies/

1. Unpredictability can be a rational strategy
Trump clearly grasps that unpredictability can leave an opponent guessing about what one might do.

2. It may be rational to seem irrational
The second lesson from game theory is that it may sometimes be rational to be willing to do something outrageous and prepared to accept costs that objectively would seem to make no sense.

3. Insisting on an extreme, even outrageous, position can force others to respond in ways that give you an advantage

This strategy reflects another principle of game theory. In some games, it’s best to be anything but ambiguous. Instead, one should take an unequivocal position and force an opponent to respond to it. Trump’s proposal to evict millions of Mexicans who are in the United States illegally, and force Mexico to pay for a wall that will keep them out in the future, is, as many have pointed out, completely impracticable. It will not happen, even if Trump is elected president.

What purpose does his militancy serve? It forces people to respond, some with delight and some with outrage.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Rix Gins on November 22, 2016, 03:42:19 PM
Savage had an interesting theory about the prosecuting Hillary turn-around on his show today. Remember late election night when that weirdo spokesman came out and told all the assembled Dems. to go home and get a good nights sleep and be back tomorrow because we are going to fight tooth and nail until every vote has been counted, etc.?  The guy left the stage and literally in minutes word was received that Hillary had conceded the election to Donald by phone.  In a classic case of behind the scenes intrigue, Hillary had called Donald with an offer.  She wouldn't fight the election results  (through long, drawn out court proceedings, etc.) and would admit defeat as long as Donald wouldn't prosecute her.  According to the theory, Donald accepted the offer.   

Oh? Does the POTUS have such legal powers?


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