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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

Dr. MD MD

Well, this is who Trump named as the new head of the CIA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo

Interesting. Somethings about him I like, others not so much. He seems to be in favor of black op torture sites.  :o

GravitySucks

Quote from: norland2424 on November 19, 2016, 03:55:48 PM
which that makes you a new yorkian same way anyone in texas is a texan and so forth.

Watch it bro

norland2424

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 19, 2016, 04:07:32 PM
Well, this is who Trump named as the new head of the CIA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo

Interesting. Somethings about him I like, others not so much. He seems to be in favor of black op torture sites.  :o

hes a good choice.


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: norland2424 on November 19, 2016, 04:10:06 PM
hes a good choice.

It's troubling to me that he seems to be for Stasi style intelligence gathering but I guess we'll see. He's also pretty hard line pro-life. I wonder if they'll try to repeal Roe v. Wade? I suppose they have the political support but I have a feeling they'd lose with the public on that one though.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 19, 2016, 04:13:19 PM
It's troubling to me that he seems to be for Stasi style intelligence gathering but I guess we'll see. He's also pretty hard line pro-life. I wonder if they'll try to repeal Roe v. Wade? I suppose they have the political support but I have a feeling they'd lose with the public on that one though.

Oh bless you. The public? Lololol...

I hope they do repeal it.  Infanticide is no good for a "civilized" country.

Value Of Pi

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 19, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
I thought the 1930s reference was the most interesting part of the interview since Bannon seemed to use that to help tease what his broad vision for America is. Tease is the right word because we don't know what that vision is and he isn't anxious to spell it out. But I think it's safe to assume that he has one and that, in his mind at least, it's cohesive and makes sense.

The other thing that jumped off the screen at me was the statement about Republicans ruling or governing for fifty years (presumably uninterrupted by any opposition party) if Trump is even moderately successful. When was the last time you heard an American politician talk or brag about that kind of political dynasty which would last longer than four or eight years?

George Wallace comes to mind with his "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" speeches. Of course, there was also the thousand-year Reich in Germany and the new Roman Empire in Italy. The Soviets also had their master plan for Communism being inevitably where the whole world would end up. The point being that this kind of thinking tends to go with extreme ideologues who have very ambitious visions of remaking the world according to their philosophies.

So for now we have a White House strategist who wants us to think that what he really, really believes in deep down is jobs, jobs, jobs. People can just accept that at face value or, more healthily, question his grandiose and mostly hidden vision for the U.S. and the world. I think we should keep asking questions and start getting some answers.

Possible clue here to where Bannon's time-frame of fifty years could be coming from. What takes fifty years to achieve? Ask alt-right guru Richard Spencer.
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Pressed by a reporter on the feasibility of Spencer’s call for enacting a 50-year “break” with most immigration (with preference still given to European immigrants) â€" something Trump himself has not pushed -- Spencer replied, “it’s obviously possible. Trump, the Republican Party, has a new voting constituency. Trump has proven the power of these ideas, proven the power of populism.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/alt-right-washington-dc-meeting-231671

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 19, 2016, 04:17:40 PM
Oh bless you. The public? Lololol...

Yeah, meaning the current protests of snowflakes would actually gain some real people who don't want that.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: H.L.F. on November 19, 2016, 04:17:55 PM
I hope they do repeal it.  Infanticide is no good for a "civilized" country.

I know it's not an easy debate and I understand that side of things but I can also see women feeling like they're captives of the state, who are (acting like they're) ultimately responsible for their bodies. I understand that too.

albrecht

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 19, 2016, 04:18:38 PM
Possible clue here to where Bannon's time-frame of fifty years could be coming from. What takes fifty years to achieve? Ask alt-right guru Richard Spencer.
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Pressed by a reporter on the feasibility of Spencer’s call for enacting a 50-year “break” with most immigration (with preference still given to European immigrants) â€" something Trump himself has not pushed -- Spencer replied, “it’s obviously possible. Trump, the Republican Party, has a new voting constituency. Trump has proven the power of these ideas, proven the power of populism.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/alt-right-washington-dc-meeting-231671
Is Spencer the guy that RCH always has on his former radio program? Personally I think we should go back to a pre-65 immigration policy and have a logical one that is more concerned about the country and not the immigrant and base it, like it was, on the demographic data at that point, if not earlier. And stem flows en masse from certain countries so that people can assimilate and not ghettoize areas. As Europe, and other areas have seen, massive influxes of people who don't share a history, common culture, common language, religion, indeed anything to the place they go and in so many numbers create an insular community that doesn't even WANT to learn about their new country or consider themselves a part of it but just demands accommodation and hand-outs. And then add in the problems with terrorism and criminal gangs to the mix the Democrat policy of open-borders and take all "refugees" is more insane and the voters recognized it.

GravitySucks

Quote from: albrecht on November 19, 2016, 04:24:07 PM
Is Spencer the guy that RCH always has on his former radio program? Personally I think we should go back to a pre-65 immigration policy and have a logical one that is more concerned about the country and not the immigrant and base it, like it was, on the demographic data at that point, if not earlier. And stem flows en masse from certain countries so that people can assimilate and not ghettoize areas. As Europe, and other areas have seen, massive influxes of people who don't share a history, common culture, common language, religion, indeed anything to the place they go and in so many numbers create an insular community that doesn't even WANT to learn about their new country or consider themselves a part of it but just demands accommodation and hand-outs. And then add in the problems with terrorism and criminal gangs to the mix the Democrat policy of open-borders and take all "refugees" is more insane and the voters recognized it.

No. Hoagland's guest is Dr. Richard Spence.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Che' Fi' on November 19, 2016, 04:33:49 PM
OMG this is the best comeback ever:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/800134631467012096

Boo hoo. Did nasty actor ask that the Trump admin would treat all Americans equally? Nasty actor.. bad man.

Trump can't run a university. Who is paying out? The actor or Trump?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Che' Fi' on November 19, 2016, 04:33:49 PM
OMG this is the best comeback ever:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/800134631467012096

Funny!  :D

I saw it on the news and it came across as very condescending. Pence was walking out as he was doing it.  ;D

K_Dubb

Quote from: Che' Fi' on November 19, 2016, 04:33:49 PM
OMG this is the best comeback ever:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/800134631467012096

Haha yeah I saw him reading from his little paper.

I think Trump missed a chance to score easy points by acknowledging the actor's concerns, none of which were objectionable to anyone, really.  I worry he is still in campaign bunker mentality, thinking he has to fight off every little thing.

Value Of Pi

Quote from: albrecht on November 19, 2016, 04:24:07 PM
Is Spencer the guy that RCH always has on his former radio program? Personally I think we should go back to a pre-65 immigration policy and have a logical one that is more concerned about the country and not the immigrant and base it, like it was, on the demographic data at that point, if not earlier. And stem flows en masse from certain countries so that people can assimilate and not ghettoize areas. As Europe, and other areas have seen, massive influxes of people who don't share a history, common culture, common language, religion, indeed anything to the place they go and in so many numbers create an insular community that doesn't even WANT to learn about their new country or consider themselves a part of it but just demands accommodation and hand-outs. And then add in the problems with terrorism and criminal gangs to the mix the Democrat policy of open-borders and take all "refugees" is more insane and the voters recognized it.

Don't know if he was a guest but that would have been a real food fight. From what I've read, Spencer is sort of the Alfred Rosenberg of the alt-right world. He is the big picture guy, the ideology guy, while Bannon is more the operational guy who would help to put a strategy into action.

The thing to remember is that Trump was elected for four years, but these two are looking and planning much, much further down the road. Can you realistically do that in a democracy like ours? They think so. That concerns me.

chefist

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 19, 2016, 04:37:53 PM
Haha yeah I saw him reading from his little paper.

I think Trump missed a chance to score easy points by acknowledging the actor's concerns, none of which were objectionable to anyone, really.  I worry he is still in campaign bunker mentality, thinking he has to fight off every little thing.

Agreed..tons of content to shoot back on...

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 19, 2016, 04:37:53 PM
Haha yeah I saw him reading from his little paper.

I think Trump missed a chance to score easy points by acknowledging the actor's concerns, none of which were objectionable to anyone, really.  I worry he is still in campaign bunker mentality, thinking he has to fight off every little thing.

Naa, Trump is just so thin skinned he'd see a bird shitting on his car as a slight against him. They'll need to refurnish the WH in cotton wool.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 19, 2016, 04:35:24 PM
Boo hoo. Did nasty actor ask that the Trump admin would treat all Americans equally? Nasty actor.. bad man.

Trump can't run a university. Who is paying out? The actor or Trump?

You mean the actor in a cast of a play that didn't want all people treated equally?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/entertainment/hamilton-broadway-casting-call/index.html

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/29/hamilton-casting-call-non-white/


albrecht

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 19, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
Don't know if he was a guest but that would have been a real food fight. From what I've read, Spencer is sort of the Alfred Rosenberg of the alt-right world. He is the big picture guy, the ideology guy, while Bannon is more the operational guy who would help to put a strategy into action.

The thing to remember is that Trump was elected for four years, but these two are looking and planning much, much further down the road. Can you realistically do that in a democracy like ours? They think so. That concerns me.
Ha, I never heard of this other guy and rareily heard the RCH guy. But as Judge Jackson said in a famous dissent "it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact." I'm against his dissenting opinion but allowing non-citizens and criminals to commit crimes and laugh it off as "free speech" is also bad. Or not act against Muslim threats due to political correctness even though they were "known" or "on the radar" is suicidal. And if we don't have a border there is not a country. It is questionable, sociological-wise if we ever had a nation, but we had a country and the left even wants to destroy that. Now whether these "alt-right" guys will similarly do so? I doubt it because we are very diverse and lots of money (on all sides against them.) Maybe Trump is some really clever Dr.Evil but I doubt he wants to gas Jews etc considering his daughter is married to one and he "opened" up a prominent golf-course in FLA to them decades ago (much to the chagrin of the rich people down there.)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: GravitySucks on November 19, 2016, 04:46:07 PM
You mean the actor in a cast of a play that didn't want all people treated equally?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/entertainment/hamilton-broadway-casting-call/index.html

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/29/hamilton-casting-call-non-white/

This bit?

It is essential to the storytelling of "Hamilton" that the principal roles -- which were written for non-white characters (excepting King George) -- be performed by non-white actors," the producers said in a statement.
"This adheres to the accepted practice that certain characteristics in certain roles constitute a 'bona fide occupational qualification' that is legal. This also follows in the tradition of many shows that call for race, ethnicity or age specific casting, whether it's "The Color Purple" or "Porgy & Bess" or "Matilda." The casting will be amended to also include language we neglected to add, that is, we welcome people of all ethnicities to audition for 'Hamilton.' "

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on November 19, 2016, 04:47:05 PM
Ha, I never heard of this other guy and rareily heard the RCH guy. But as Judge Jackson said in a famous dissent "it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact." I'm against his dissenting opinion but allowing non-citizens and criminals to commit crimes and laugh it off as "free speech" is also bad. Or not act against Muslim threats due to political correctness even though they were "known" or "on the radar" is suicidal. And if we don't have a border there is not a country. It is questionable, sociological-wise if we ever had a nation, but we had a country and the left even wants to destroy that. Now whether these "alt-right" guys will similarly do so? I doubt it because we are very diverse and lots of money (on all sides against them.) Maybe Trump is some really clever Dr.Evil but I doubt he wants to gas Jews etc considering his daughter is married to one and he "opened" up a prominent golf-course in FLA to them decades ago (much to the chagrin of the rich people down there.)

Hitler's mother was Jewish.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 19, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
This bit?

It is essential to the storytelling of "Hamilton" that the principal roles -- which were written for non-white characters (excepting King George) -- be performed by non-white actors," the producers said in a statement.
"This adheres to the accepted practice that certain characteristics in certain roles constitute a 'bona fide occupational qualification' that is legal. This also follows in the tradition of many shows that call for race, ethnicity or age specific casting, whether it's "The Color Purple" or "Porgy & Bess" or "Matilda." The casting will be amended to also include language we neglected to add, that is, we welcome people of all ethnicities to audition for 'Hamilton.' "

Jackstar

I'm very upset that they hurt Audrey's feelings.


albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 19, 2016, 04:51:16 PM
Hitler's mother was Jewish.
Daily Mail etc said that theory but the DNA analysis of relatives (decades later) was inconclusive but did show Haplogroup E1b1b1 that includes some Jews (but also others.) Experts and historians are not sure of the theory but it is a popular one (there has been some credit to the old "Hitler has one ball theory" though it is also somewhat inconclusive but more data there. If he was Jew, since the religion travels over the mother's line and she did have the affair with her Jewish employer resulting in him, than it would really prove how evil those JOOOSE are! Kidding.


K_Dubb

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 19, 2016, 04:41:14 PM
Naa, Trump is just so thin skinned he'd see a bird shitting on his car as a slight against him. They'll need to refurnish the WH in cotton wool.

I want to believe he's capable of magnanimity but stuff like this makes it hard.  A great man would've repeated the line he already used about being president for all Americans and kept the dig about the cue-card.

"When I said I'd be President for all Americans, I didn't need a cue card, dumbass"

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