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Quote from: Al Capones Vault on November 08, 2016, 02:43:00 AM
They don't want to vote for the guy who said he would shoot down Russian planes, go to war with Iran over a hand gesture, wants to put troops back in Iraq to steal their oil, and wants a new nuclear arms race?

Shocking.

Keep telling that to yourself.  Maybe after a while you will start to believe it.  Who is amping up tensions with Russia?  Not Trump that I can tell you. lol.

Quote from: WOTR on November 07, 2016, 11:08:53 PM
This election has made American a much better, more tolerant and more understanding country.  Everybody who used to see some good in another group now only sees the bad.  I hope we can repeat this in another four years so that any glimmer of respect that survived this election cycle that I have for anybody who does not share my ideology can be expunged.

Nah, I still see the good in other folks who disagree with my views.  I just like to point out the hypocrisy when I see it.

norland2424

Quote from: WOTR on November 08, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
I think it is interesting that you are concerned where money is parked and ignore Trumps business interests and partnerships in foreign countries.

To be clear- I don't care about either and am just pointing out that caring only about one seems a little strange to me.


we all know that you're a CIA + KGB operative  >:(, with that said i hope you have your bag of popcorn ready




analog kid

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 08, 2016, 07:33:34 AM
Really?! Qatar is one of the known financial supporters of ISIS. Hillary knew this years ago. That still doesn't make a difference?  ???

The Clintons moving $1.8 billion to Qatar thing isn't true. That came from a satire site.

analog kid

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 08, 2016, 07:33:43 AM
Keep telling that to yourself.  Maybe after a while you will start to believe it.  Who is amping up tensions with Russia?  Not Trump that I can tell you. lol.

All of that came out of his mouth, it's on video.

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 08, 2016, 07:33:34 AM
Really?! Qatar is one of the known financial supporters of ISIS. Hillary knew this years ago. That still doesn't make a difference?  ???
But for the Trump Organization, Qaddafi was not a murdering terrorist; he was a prospect who might bring the company financing and the opportunity to build a resort on the Mediterranean coast of Libya. According to an Arab financier and a former businessman from the North African country, Trump made entreaties to Qaddafi and other members of his government, beginning in 2008, in which he sought deals that would bring cash to the Trump Organization from a sovereign wealth fund called the Libyan Investment Authority. The following year, Trump offered to lease his estate in Westchester County, New York, to Qaddafi...

I always trust the instincts of a man who personally wants to do business with a known terrorist.

What to switch sides for awhile?  I can defend Trump while you defend Hillary... They are the same person and each is sleaze-  It's actually pretty easy.

WOTR

Quote from: norland2424 on November 08, 2016, 07:36:18 AM

we all know that you're a CIA + KGB operative  >:(, with that said i hope you have your bag of popcorn ready


It is my day off from my respective agencies.  I'm free to work for "correct the record" all day long...  And I stocked up on popcorn, butter and salt.

I hope you have a pizza order in for tonight.  You will want to pick it up before the riots start.  8)

Quote from: Al Capones Vault on November 08, 2016, 07:45:26 AM
All of that came out of his mouth, it's on video.

Ok, maybe he said something like that at some point in the campaign.  I'll grant you that but it is nothing compared to the rhetoric spewing out of the Clinton campaign on a daily basis.  Look at Hillary's record too.  She is every bit as bad as some of the hawks on the right.   Interfering in Libya, the vitriol against Assad, her assertions about the Russians interfering in American elections.  I could go on and on.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Al Capones Vault on November 08, 2016, 07:43:40 AM
The Clintons moving $1.8 billion to Qatar thing isn't true. That came from a satire site.

I'm not sure about that. There's a lot of disinfo around right now, of course. Regardless, she knew before shit ever started going down in Syria that Saudi Arabia and Qatar were both funding ISIS and they're also funding her. You really don't see a conflict of interest there?!  ???

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on November 08, 2016, 07:45:33 AM
But for the Trump Organization, Qaddafi was not a murdering terrorist; he was a prospect who might bring the company financing and the opportunity to build a resort on the Mediterranean coast of Libya. According to an Arab financier and a former businessman from the North African country, Trump made entreaties to Qaddafi and other members of his government, beginning in 2008, in which he sought deals that would bring cash to the Trump Organization from a sovereign wealth fund called the Libyan Investment Authority. The following year, Trump offered to lease his estate in Westchester County, New York, to Qaddafi...

I always trust the instincts of a man who personally wants to do business with a known terrorist.

What to switch sides for awhile?  I can defend Trump while you defend Hillary... They are the same person and each is sleaze-  It's actually pretty easy.

Hmmm...maybe you really are that naive? Trump knew like everyone before Hillary that he was our point man in that part of the world that prevented a flood of African Muslims into Europe. I'm sure he also knows that we turn on these bad guys we prop up for strategic reasons whenever it's convenient and then call them terrorists. If Hillary's elected she'll start making homegrown terrorism the new trend.  ;)

norland2424

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 08, 2016, 07:59:42 AM
Hmmm...maybe you really are that naive? Trump knew like everyone before Hillary that he was our point man in that part of the world that prevented a flood of African Muslims into Europe. I'm sure he also knows that we turn on these bad guys we prop up for strategic reasons whenever it's convenient and then call them terrorists. If Hillary's elected she'll start making homegrown terrorism the new trend.  ;)

the man was a saint


analog kid

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 08, 2016, 07:54:22 AM
I'm not sure about that. There's a lot of disinfo around right now, of course. Regardless, she knew before shit ever started going down in Syria that Saudi Arabia and Qatar were both funding ISIS and they're also funding her. You really don't see a conflict of interest there?!  ???

It came from this website. One of their other headlines is "Russia Names Hillary Clinton as 'Murder Suspect' in Death of Top UFO Researchers."

analog kid

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 08, 2016, 07:52:52 AM
Ok, maybe he said something like that at some point in the campaign.  I'll grant you that but it is nothing compared to the rhetoric spewing out of the Clinton campaign on a daily basis.  Look at Hillary's record too.  She is every bit as bad as some of the hawks on the right.   Interfering in Libya, the vitriol against Assad, her assertions about the Russians interfering in American elections.  I could go on and on.

It's almost word-for-word, and he said these things while campaigning for POTUS. Nobody in their right mind would vote for that candidate. But we've convinced ourselves that Hillary is The Great Satan.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: norland2424 on November 08, 2016, 08:03:52 AM
the man was a saint

More so than Hillary, that's for sure!  :D

Quote from: Al Capones Vault on November 08, 2016, 08:07:53 AM
It's almost word-for-word, and he said these things while campaigning for POTUS. Nobody in their right mind would vote for that candidate. But we've convinced ourselves that Hillary is The Great Satan.

He said it a little but the Hillary campaign has war-mongering rhetoric every single day.  How you can close your eyes to that is beyond me.  Hillary is a known quantity with an established past of hawkish behavior while Trump has no past.  You can say that he supported the Iraq war but when he said those words on Stern they were lukewarm at best and contradicted by other statements on other shows.  Hillary voted for the war by the way.

WOTR

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 08, 2016, 08:19:31 AM
You can say that he supported the Iraq war but when he said those words on Stern they were lukewarm at best and contradicted by other statements on other shows.  Hillary voted for the war by the way.
I really have not followed this... What was the first date (something that can be confirmed, and not something he whispered to his priest in confession) where he talks against the war and says it is a bad idea?

I'm not faulting him... I knew a few New Yorkers who were generally against war... 9/11 made them all forget that for awhile and most wanted to see the middle east a sheet of glass.  Trump is a New Yorker- and I would be shocked if he was actually against the war from the beginning.

Quote from: WOTR on November 08, 2016, 08:30:52 AM
I really have not followed this... What was the first date (something that can be confirmed, and not something he whispered to his priest in confession) where he talks against the war and says it is a bad idea?

I'm not faulting him... I knew a few New Yorkers who were generally against war... 9/11 made them all forget that for awhile and most wanted to see the middle east a sheet of glass.  Trump is a New Yorker- and I would be shocked if he was actually against the war from the beginning.

He was on Hannity talking against the war.  This was in the early 2000's.  I don't know the exact date but like I said on the Stern interview he was clearly hesitant about supporting the war at that point.  He did but it was a lukewarm endorsement at best.

onan

Quote from: WOTR on November 08, 2016, 08:30:52 AM
I really have not followed this... What was the first date (something that can be confirmed, and not something he whispered to his priest in confession) where he talks against the war and says it is a bad idea?

I'm not faulting him... I knew a few New Yorkers who were generally against war... 9/11 made them all forget that for awhile and most wanted to see the middle east a sheet of glass.  Trump is a New Yorker- and I would be shocked if he was actually against the war from the beginning.

QuoteIt bears mentioning that Trump vice presidential pick Mike Pence strongly supported the Iraq War â€" he co-sponsored and voted in favor of the bill authorizing the Iraq War when he was a House representative from Indiana, and opposed measures to set a timeline to withdraw troops.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/fact-checking-trump-his-support-iraq-war-n644576

Then again almost 2/3rds if not more bought the lies regarding Iraq.


GravitySucks

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 08, 2016, 08:37:06 AM
He was on Hannity talking against the war.  This was in the early 2000's.  I don't know the exact date but like I said on the Stern interview he was clearly hesitant about supporting the war at that point.  He did but it was a lukewarm endorsement at best.

He was against it bigly.

It doesn't matter if he only said it to his gardener. He wasn't in politics at the time. He wasn't part of the military industrial complex. He wasn't a neocon.

And later he spoke the truth - once we went in, we should have taken the oil.

Remember all the anti-Bush rhetoric that we only invaded Iraq for the oil?  How come we didn't take it?

p.s. Hillary was in politics. Hillary voted for the war. The record is clear in that aspect.

WOTR

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 08, 2016, 08:37:06 AM
He was on Hannity talking against the war.  This was in the early 2000's. 
So, I looked it up because I was curious.  He may as well have whispered to his priest in confession... There does not appear to be any record aside from Hannity saying "Trump was against the war."  He was not "on" Hannity, and one of his unofficial campaign advisers saying they had private conversations seems a little weak.

...so the Republican presidential nominee is clinging to the uncheckable claim that before the 2003 invasion he used to call up Hannity after the Fox News host's show to say he was against the war.

Again- I don't actually fault him.  I'm sure he personally knew people who died.  ***And, as Onan mentioned above, most people "bought it", at the time.***


Value Of Pi

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 08, 2016, 07:52:52 AM
Ok, maybe he said something like that at some point in the campaign.  I'll grant you that but it is nothing compared to the rhetoric spewing out of the Clinton campaign on a daily basis.  Look at Hillary's record too.  She is every bit as bad as some of the hawks on the right.   Interfering in Libya, the vitriol against Assad, her assertions about the Russians interfering in American elections.  I could go on and on.

Libya was a multi-national, UN-sponsored effort, triggered by the necessity of preventing an imminent massacre of thousands of civilians by Gaddafi. It was interference, yes, but interference for humanitarian reasons and fully justified.

Vitriol against Assad? He's a mass-murderer who has used chemical weapons, so he deserves whatever criticism he gets.

Russian interference in U.S. elections? Our intelligence community jointly made this announcement, so it's much more than one candidate making an assertion.

These are not good examples of worthless or irresponsible rhetoric. They are all easily defensible.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 08, 2016, 09:08:17 AM
Libya was a multi-national, UN-sponsored effort, triggered by the necessity of preventing an imminent massacre of thousands of civilians by Gaddafi. It was interference, yes, but interference for humanitarian reasons and fully justified.

Vitriol against Assad? He's a mass-murderer who has used chemical weapons, so he deserves whatever criticism he gets.

Russian interference in U.S. elections? Our intelligence community jointly made this announcement, so it's much more than one candidate making an assertion.

These are not good examples of worthless or irresponsible rhetoric. They are all easily defensible.

It's been debunked. Everything in this post is complete bullshit.  ::)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX35BZgYfWI

Trump on Stern and his remarks at the 1:37 minute mark.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 08, 2016, 09:10:44 AM
It's been debunked. Everything in this post is complete bullshit.  ::)

How would you know? Alex Jones said so? You could fertilise Death Valley, you're so full of shit.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 08, 2016, 09:18:58 AM
How would you know? Alex Jones said so? You could fertilise Death Valley, you're so full of shit.

No. Your mom told me...and you know she blows all the most powerful people in Britain.  :)

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