President Donald J. Trump

[21st Century Man]

21st and 136: It's kind of a shame to see you two clashing. You are each part of a very small group of people on this forum, especially in the Politics section, to ever admit to making a mistake or to have possibly misjudged a situation -- although maybe not to each other.

For a forum where the usual debating rules don't apply and where people generally resort to insults rather than admit that an opposing voice has made a convincing or valid argument, that's saying something. Let's just face the fact that the culture here, like a lot of places, rewards fighting and devalues sober discussion. This place couldn't solve its way out of a paper bag -- and that's just its nature.

Thanks, Pi.  I really don't want to clash with 136 but he keeps jumping on me.  First thing he does this afternoon as he comes on the forum is get on my case.  I don't want to fight with him.  If he doesn't like what I'm saying. Fine.  Let him go his way and I'll go mine.  If we can't have a civil discussion, I don't want to be involved.  I've been getting kind of nasty the last few weeks with the election winding down and I realized it the other day.  I don't particularly care for myself when I get that way. I tried to smooth things over with 136 but he won't let go. 136 and I have fundamental disagreements and he can't seem to tolerate my views.  I  am trying to tolerate his but when he throws out insults in every other sentence, it is hard.  Anyway, I've had enough and I'm not going to respond to him any further tonight.

You're a nice thoughtful person and I appreciate your kind words.  We may disagree somewhat during this cycle but I don't take it personally.  There is room for diverse thought on Bellgab.  I would hope 136 would agree with me on that point.  If not, that is his problem.

[136 or 142]

Homosexual marriage nor heterosexual marriage is not recognized in the Constitution. As a matter of fact, it shouldn't even be in the purview of government, IMHO other than a simple justice of the peace ceremony.  The fact of the matter is that the prevalence of insurance and income taxes in our culture made it necessary for the govt. to assume a role in recognizing marriage.  Homosexual marriage is a 21st century idea and it should have been codefied into law not decided by judges. That is how a representative democracy works.  I don't believe judges should be making law.

1.There is no mention of 'heterosexual marriage' in the Constitution.

2.A representative democracy (I thought you wrote many times the U.S is a Republic and not a democracy of any kind) is subject to its constitution, written or unwritten.  This is to prevent governments of the day from imposing arbitrary laws.  The U.S Constitution specifically mentions "equal protection of the laws."  In the 21 Century in the United States (gay marriage has been performed in other places throughout the world throughout history including in  pre-colonized America) a number of homosexuals felt that the equal protection clause should apply to their right to marry.  Ultimately The Supreme Court could find no valid reason why that should not be the case.  This was not a case of 'judge made law' (another meaningless phrase.) This was a case of judges applying Constitutional protections to strike down invalid laws.

There is room for diverse views.  But, the important thing is that those views need to be valid based on facts or logic.  Your views hardly ever are. 

[21st Century Man]

1.There is no mention of 'heterosexual marriage' in the Constitution.

2.A representative democracy (I thought you wrote many times the U.S is a Republic and not a democracy of any kind) is subject to its constitution, written or unwritten.  This is to prevent governments of the day from imposing arbitrary laws.  The U.S Constitution specifically mentions "equal protection of the laws."  In the 21 Century in the United States (gay marriage has been performed in other places throughout the world throughout history including in  pre-colonized America) a number of homosexuals felt that the equal protection clause should apply to their right to marry.  Ultimately The Supreme Court could find no valid reason why that should not be the case.  This was not a case of 'judge made law' (another meaningless phrase.) This was a case of judges applying Constitutional protections to strike down invalid laws.

There is room for diverse views.  But, the important thing is that those views need to be valid based on facts or logic.  Your views hardly ever are.

Your reading comprehension is lacking.  I said #1 in the paragraph.  As for #2, I disagree.  I think homosexual marriage should have been legalized but by the people not the courts.  I see your point about the Equal Protection clause but I don't agree with it. You and I will never agree on that point so let us stop regurgitating our views. Representative democracy is synonymous with republic.  Rome was one. I distinguish it by the term representative.  Democracy by itself promotes the idea of direct democracy. I've got to run.  I don't know about you but it is Halloween and I celebrate the holiday.

[Dr. MD MD]

1.He's very thin skinned and holds personal grudges to an incredible extreme (he still sends a letter a year demanding an apology or something to the person at Spy Magazine who wrote an article saying that Trump has 'small hands.' )

2.He has a hair trigger temper.

3.His authoritarian attitudes are usually, though not always, the attitudes of warmongers.

4.Despite his lying, he has not opposed a single military venture in the last 25 or so years.  In fact, for example, with the U.S action against Qaddafi in Libya, Trump initially said that Secretary Clinton and President Obama waited too long to react.

but nothing like an actual trail of dead bodies as with the Clintons then? 

Everything you say is very speculative. I think you're reaching. 

[136 or 142]

Your reading comprehension is lacking.  I said #1 in the paragraph.  As for #2, I disagree.  I think homosexual marriage should have been legalized but by the people not the courts.  I see your point about the Equal Protection clause but I don't agree with it. You and I will never agree on that point so let us stop regurgitating our views. Representative democracy is synonymous with republic.  Rome was one. I distinguish it by the term representative.  Democracy by itself promotes the idea of direct democracy. I've got to run.  I don't know about you but it is Halloween and I celebrate the holiday.

Yes, I misread what you wrote in #1. Sorry.

2.It's not up to you to agree or disagree with.  It's up to the courts to decide.  The Supreme Court ruled that equal protection did apply and, as such, claiming this was 'judge made law' is not valid, unless you have a valid reason to disagree with the Supreme Court application of Equal Protection in this case.

[136 or 142]

but nothing like an actual trail of dead bodies as with the Clintons then? 

Everything you say is very speculative. I think you're reaching. 

Like I wrote, give a President Trump time and it wouldn't take long for him to surpass the Clinton trail of the dead by several orders of magnitude.

[21st Century Man]

Yes, I misread what you wrote in #1. Sorry.

2.It's not up to you to agree or disagree with.  It's up to the courts to decide.  The Supreme Court ruled that equal protection did apply and, as such, claiming this was 'judge made law' is not valid, unless you have a valid reason to disagree with the Supreme Court application of Equal Protection in this case.

Courts can be wrong as in the case of Dred Scott.  They aren't infallible.  Now I'm really gone.

[136 or 142]

Courts can be wrong as in the case of Dred Scott.  They aren't infallible.  Now I'm really gone.

How does that show that the Courts application of the Equal Protection clause in this case isn't valid?

[Yorkshire pud]

I think Trump sees himself as Shakespear. Another made up word of his.

"Sure boss. Dats a great word"

US election 2016: Trump hopes Clinton email 'motherlode' found.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37829459

[21st Century Man]

How does that show that the Courts application of the Equal Protection clause in this case isn't valid?

Ask me another time.  I've got kids at the door.  It is rather lengthy and I simply don't have the time now.

[Juan]

Courts can be wrong as in the case of Dred Scott.  They aren't infallible.  Now I'm really gone.

Or Plessy v. Ferguson, 163US537 (1896)

[Juan]

I think Trump sees himself as Shakespear. Another made up word of his.

"Sure boss. Dats a great word"

US election 2016: Trump hopes Clinton email 'motherlode' found.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37829459

"Mother lode" is a word in American English. It means the source of something in great abundance.  I don't know about UK English.  The linked article uses "motherlode" in a quote from Trump.  I doubt he spelled the word for them.

[136 or 142]

Ask me another time.  I've got kids at the door.  It is rather lengthy and I simply don't have the time now.

This seems to be something you've also done before.  Whenever I challenge you and you can't come up with a response you write "I have to go now" and then you never get back to it.

I don't want to accuse you of that here if you really do have a response, and I personally don't care if you have a response or not.  I'm just beginning to notice a pattern here.

[chefist]

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/793238952157155328

[Lt.Uhura]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/31/politics/donald-trump-huma-abedin-hillary-clinton-emails/index.html

This is a great example of why Trump will lose the election.

In lieu of having all the facts of a situation, he seizes upon supposition, adds his usual hyperbole, then comes to a forgone conclusion that he'll somehow benefit.  He gloats with a haha, I gotcha attitude like a 13 year old middle-schooler over the latest Huma/Hillary headlines, as if the news will make people change their minds and vote for him. A more sophisticated candidate might have benefited from this news, but clueless troll Donald Trump will manage to turn off even more voters.

[GravitySucks]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/31/politics/donald-trump-huma-abedin-hillary-clinton-emails/index.html

This is a great example of why Trump will lose the election.

In lieu of having all the facts of a situation, he seizes upon supposition, adds his usual hyperbole, then comes to a forgone conclusion that he'll somehow benefit.  He gloats with a haha, I gotcha attitude like a 13 year old middle-schooler over the latest Huma/Hillary headlines, as if the news will make people change their minds and vote for him. A more sophisticated candidate might have benefited from this news, but clueless troll Donald Trump will manage to turn off even more voters.

Hi Uhura,  I hope you are having a Happy Halloween.

[Lt.Uhura]

Hi Uhura,  I hope you are having a Happy Halloween.

You too GS.  No tricks or treats for me tonight.  It's Monday and it's raining.  I'd love to pass the time with a scary and fun Art Bell Ghost to Ghost show, but alas, that radio personality has moved on. 😕👻

[GravitySucks]

You too GS.  No tricks or treats for me tonight.  It's Monday and it's raining.  I'd love to pass the time with a scary and fun Art Bell Ghost to Ghost show, but alas, that radio personality has moved on. 😕

I don't get kids where I am at right now but there may be some leftover candy corn in the Knapp thread from last night. I think Luca is doing a pirate gabcast at 7 pacific. Check out the gabcast thread. If I remember right he was going to try G2G.

I am going to watch football.

[Lt.Uhura]

I don't get kids where I am at right now but there may be some leftover candy corn in the Knapp thread from last night. I think Luca is doing a pirate gabcast at 7 pacific. Check out the gabcast thread. If I remember right he was going to try G2G.

I am going to watch football.

Thanks.  I will check out Luca, never heard him.  I did listen to a bit of the Knapp show last night, but the guest from Brooklyn wasn't very compelling.

[Jackstar]

Let's just face the fact that the culture here, like a lot of places, rewards fighting and devalues sober discussion.

You see it that way, only because you are a disingenuous simpleton. Get bent, fascist.

[Jackstar]

clueless troll Donald Trump will manage to turn off even more voters.

That might have mattered if the election were legitimately conducted--and, it's not.

[Yorkshire pud]

That might have mattered if the election were legitimately conducted--and, it's not.

Because two suns or building 7? Chemtrails?

[albrecht]

Because two suns or building 7? Chemtrails?

Careful...you are also starting to "get it" with your chemtrail, weather modification, and radiation stuff.....

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on Today at 11:33:38 AM

    All jet aircraft affect the atmosphere. The cockpit crews have apparently had a higher than average incidence of cancer.  It flew at 60000 feet, so would make sense.

[Lt.Uhura]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

^^ Fascinating article. Any computer security tech-types here?  I'd love to hear your opinion on this.

[Dr. MD MD]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

^^ Fascinating article. Any computer security tech-types here?  I'd love to hear your opinion on this.

Bullshit.  :

[Jackstar]

Because two suns or building 7? Chemtrails?

It's not often I remember how truly lacking in any vestiges of rational intelligence you are.

[Yorkshire pud]

Careful...you are also starting to "get it" with your chemtrail, weather modification, and radiation stuff.....

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on Today at 11:33:38 AM

    All jet aircraft affect the atmosphere. The cockpit crews have apparently had a higher than average incidence of cancer.  It flew at 60000 feet, so would make sense.

Yes. Sun radiation can cause melanoma, which is what I understand the higher than normal incidence is. However, we're looking at a very small sample. Probably fewer than 25 cockpit crew members in total.

No chemtrails were involved. Not enough room in the design you see. 

[albrecht]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

^^ Fascinating article. Any computer security tech-types here?  I'd love to hear your opinion on this.

"Sandman-Logan" needs to look into it. Though it wouldn't surprise me. Much of the hackers come from that region. Though, in my limited, knowledge hackers etc use all kind of tools to route their traffic from various places to try to hide. Having said that also I find funny that some popular "anti-virus, anti-malware" software used by people is made in Russia (Kaspersky) etc! I've long suspected, I think even McAfee- the guy not the company has subtly mentioned- that certain anti-virus etc companies "play both sides?" or have nation-state actors inside them?

[Yorkshire pud]

It's not often I remember how truly lacking in any vestiges of rational intelligence you are.

Hey Jack, Seattle would be a much more dreary and cloudy place* without your woo woo research. Don't let it pass you by son.

* seriously, it would.

[albrecht]

Yes. Sun radiation can cause melanoma, which is what I understand the higher than normal incidence is. However, we're looking at a very small sample. Probably fewer than 25 cockpit crew members in total.

No chemtrails were involved. Not enough room in the design you see. 

The Concorde's demise is indicative, to me, of what is going wrong in Western countries, especially compared to China (though they could crash sometime.) We have so much litigation, labor disputes, laws, contract corruption, PPP and "privatization" schemes, "security concerns," political-correctness, that our money isn't going to technology or infrastructure but into rich people's bank accounts. Though there is promise in some of the "new" space companies. But still. Concorde flight to Europe versus what we have now? Hell, even a "normal" flight to Europe than now- compare then to now: quality, fun, comfort, stewardesses, etc.