President Donald J. Trump

[Value Of Pi]

It doesn't affect anything? You're joking right? The other day he sent his latest lawyer Giuliani to say that three Americans held in NK would be released...The state department had no idea what he was talking about. Not only that, but he said that they were all taken prisoner when Obama was in office..Nope..One was. The other two were there since Trump took office.

Or perhaps the crap he said about getting Puerto Rico back up and running...They're nowhere near up and running and won't be when the hurricane season begins again..

Trump lies even when it is better for him if he tells the truth. What sort of brainless idiot does that? When he isn't driving that train wreck he's playing golf. He even cheats at that, so much so that no-one even cares, it's just 'what he does'. He's such a whiny, spoiled brat.


You say it doesn't matter; Well what if in the not too distant future the USA/NATO faces a very serious situation that literally is life and death for all, and only very careful diplomacy will make the difference? Who will believe what he says? And why should they?

Nobody's driving the bus, obviously. In a crisis, we've got to hope that one of the passengers closest to the driver's seat (perhaps a guy named Mattis) is able to grab the wheel for long enough to keep us from descending into a deep gourge. One fascinating thing about all this is the number of passengers who are not at all worried that there's no bus driver, much less a credible one. So, what to do? Not quit drinking, start smoking.

[Dr. MD MD]

Nobody's driving the bus, obviously. In a crisis, we've got to hope that one of the passengers closest to the driver's seat (perhaps a guy named Mattis) is able to grab the wheel for long enough to keep us from descending into a deep gourge. One fascinating thing about all this is the number of passengers who are not at all worried that there's no bus driver, much less a credible one. So, what to do? Not quit drinking, start smoking.

Here's who's driving the very short bus in your country:



Any questions?

[ACE of CLUBS]

The only thing everyone knows is what a sad hate filled demokkkrat lemming people like you and your pedofile friend are. Now run along and change your avatar.

Canada has 'Mr. Dress-up' .....
US has the 'Orange Oaf' ......
A sad state of affairs.
I re-vile 'Mr. Dress-up ....
You, on the other hand, love having your nose up the 'Orange Oaf's' butt crack.
Your avatar reflects this ....

The world laughs at you ....
You giggle endlessly.

[Taaroa]

Your last thought is a nice, reasonable wish -- gradually lessening tensions thanks to regular, ongoing diplomatic activity -- except for the reality that the two people calling most of the shots are Trump and Kim. They're each looking to score a coup. Slow, long term progress is not really on the table. They each want a big win and they want it now.

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but there's no middle ground here between having nukes and totally giving up those nukes.

It's wishful thinking sure, but maybe if there was less of a focus on the nuclear issue and more on peace and better conditions for the populace we'd have some progress as opposed to none. You don't see anyone complaining about their biological and chemical weapons, or the masses of artillery pointing at Seoul when they are just as deadly.

Not with a dictatorship as historically untrustworthy as NK.

India, Pakistan, and the potential acquisition of nuclear weapons by Saudi Arabia are much more concerning than NK. NK is fairly predictable in the way they conduct themselves and - excluding the possibility of regime collapse - them having nukes doesn't really bother me at all beyond potentially selling their expertise to other parties as they have with other weapons.

[albrecht]

#winning

Trump tweeted about Democrat leftist NY AG Schneiderman being worse than Democrats Weiner and Spitzer years ago and now the New Yorker has been forced to print an article about the alleged and rumored beatings, abuse, drunken rages, threats to life, threats to wiretrap women by Democrat AG Schneiderman and now even Cuomo being forced to ask for an investigation and for him to resign.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/7/donald-trump-eric-schneiderman-2013-tweet-wait-and/

    Weiner is gone, Spitzer is gone - next will be lightweight A.G. Eric Schneiderman. Is he a crook? Wait and see, worse than Spitzer or Weiner
    â€" Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 11, 2013

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

https://nypost.com/2018/05/07/ex-schneiderman-called-me-his-brown-slave-would-slap-me-until-i-called-him-master/
"“He started calling me his ‘brown slave’ and demanding that I repeat that I was ‘his property.’”"

[21st Century Man]

https://youtu.be/6ERokgTu-MA

Kerry violated the Logan Act.  What goes around comes around.  Off to jail he should go.

[albrecht]

Kerry violated the Logan Act.  What goes around comes around.  Off to jail he should go.

I think it was tried once? It would be nice to see a successful prosecution on it. I think there has been a lot of Logan Act violations over the years but people afraid to prosecute, politicians and bureacrats protecting their own, etc. Even if it was a slap-on-the-wrist fine and probation it would be fun to see it used on someone like Kerry.

Trump had ESP or just knew rumors since he is from NYC?

Weiner is gone, Spitzer is gone - next will be lightweight A.G. Eric Schneiderman. Is he a crook? Wait and see, worse than Spitzer or Weiner
â€"

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 11, 2013

[Value Of Pi]

It's wishful thinking sure, but maybe if there was less of a focus on the nuclear issue and more on peace and better conditions for the populace we'd have some progress as opposed to none. You don't see anyone complaining about their biological and chemical weapons, or the masses of artillery pointing at Seoul when they are just as deadly.
India, Pakistan, and the potential acquisition of nuclear weapons by Saudi Arabia are much more concerning than NK. NK is fairly predictable in the way they conduct themselves and - excluding the possibility of regime collapse - them having nukes doesn't really bother me at all beyond potentially selling their expertise to other parties as they have with other weapons.

You have a much more benign view of the dictatorship in NK than I do. Kim has no interest in "better conditions for the populace" beyond keeping it in the near-starvation state necessary to keep a primitive economy running and his military in line. "Peace" for them means the ability to keep their concentration camps operating and the population subdued without basic human rights without any interference or pressure from the outside world.

Nukes/missiles/icbms are a much greater threat than bio/chem weapons even though their use is less likely. NK has already tried building a nuclear reactor in Syria, helped Qaddafi with his nuke program, and will sell their tech to anybody if they need the cash enough.

Basically, NK is a large criminal organization with its own country, flag and now, nukes which are deliverable throughout the region and soon, the world.

It's fine by me if NK doesn't worry you much. That doesn't mean you don't have good reason to be worried.

[PB the Deplorable]

It doesn't affect anything? You're joking right? The other day he sent his latest lawyer Giuliani to say that three Americans held in NK would be released...The state department had no idea what he was talking about. Not only that, but he said that they were all taken prisoner when Obama was in office..Nope..One was. The other two were there since Trump took office.

Or perhaps the crap he said about getting Puerto Rico back up and running...They're nowhere near up and running and won't be when the hurricane season begins again..

Trump lies even when it is better for him if he tells the truth. What sort of brainless idiot does that? When he isn't driving that train wreck he's playing golf. He even cheats at that, so much so that no-one even cares, it's just 'what he does'. He's such a whiny, spoiled brat.


You say it doesn't matter; Well what if in the not too distant future the USA/NATO faces a very serious situation that literally is life and death for all, and only very careful diplomacy will make the difference? Who will believe what he says? And why should they?

You left out lying about the size of the inauguration crowd and the weather that day.  Compare and contrast that stuff with ''if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, if you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance''. 

Or, ''the Benghazi attack was due to a YouTube video''

Or, the Ferguson thug said ''hands up, don't shoot''

Or, Obama's false ''red line'' in Syria

See the difference in the seriousness of Trump's lies vs, say, Obama and Hilary Clinton's lies?   No, of course you don't.


As far as some life or death situation faced by us and our allies, I'll take Trump and his advisors over our allies - currently ''led'' by feckless incompetent appeasers - in NATO anytime.  I'll take Trump over Obama anytime.  I'll take Trump over Hilary Clinton anytime. 

I'll take the guy who is cleaning up the messes they left.  I'll take the guy who is getting things done that they blew (or created) when they had the chance.  Make sense?  No, somehow to you, it doesn't

[Yorkshire pud]

'll take Trump and his advisors over our allies -

That's something of a movable feast, because they keep leaving him.. He appoints them on the strength of how good they look on Fox, their actual qualifications are way down the scale of priorities (See Jared-Middle East peace maker; and Ivanka-she can't decide if she's an advisor or his daughter when it comes to questions). The rest is difficult to keep up with.. McMasters has gone, He does have his pet surf Miller of course but he has as much understanding of international diplomacy as the grass that grows on the WH lawns. Of course there's 'Alternative facts' Kelly Anne, and who else?

THe rest of NATO employ real people. Who view nuclear war as a terrible failure of diplomacy. Trump doesn't..."He knows nuclear' right?

And as for life or death situations...US SEALS and other military personnel have died in Syria (Killed by Russian mercenaries) and Trump hasn't even mentioned it. He's too busy tweeting about how the world is cruel and unfair to him..Because when all said and done, it is about him.

[Taaroa]

You have a much more benign view of the dictatorship in NK than I do. Kim has no interest in "better conditions for the populace" beyond keeping it in the near-starvation state necessary to keep a primitive economy running and his military in line. "Peace" for them means the ability to keep their concentration camps operating and the population subdued without basic human rights without any interference or pressure from the outside world.

I agree with all of this, which is what makes it extremely unlikely for them to give up their ultimate trump card. Better conditions (and I don't mean freedoms necessarily) for the populace also has ramifications for the stability of the country and regime as well as propaganda value.

NK has already tried building a nuclear reactor in Syria, helped Qaddafi with his nuke program, and will sell their tech to anybody if they need the cash enough.

What happened to Gadaffi is reason enough to give NK pause for giving up their weapons.

But let's say NK gets rid of their weapons tomorrow - they'll still have the knowledge and skills to sell to other groups, just not completed weapons. They're hardly the only guilty party in selling on nuclear expertise; there's been speculation over the years that Saudi Arabia helped fund the Pakistani nuclear program and/or have an agreement in place to transfer weapons should the 'need' ever arise.

[Value Of Pi]

I agree with all of this, which is what makes it extremely unlikely for them to give up their ultimate trump card. Better conditions (and I don't mean freedoms necessarily) for the populace also has ramifications for the stability of the country and regime as well as propaganda value.
What happened to Gadaffi is reason enough to give NK pause for giving up their weapons.

But let's say NK gets rid of their weapons tomorrow - they'll still have the knowledge and skills to sell to other groups, just not completed weapons. They're hardly the only guilty party in selling on nuclear expertise; there's been speculation over the years that Saudi Arabia helped fund the Pakistani nuclear program and/or have an agreement in place to transfer weapons should the 'need' ever arise.

I'm aware of the other proliferation issues but these comparisons just make the NK situation look even worse. At this point, I don't see a practical solution that doesn't involve unacceptable risks of major death and destruction.

As long as the Trump administration is in power (and who knows, maybe also the next administration), the most I could hope for is to keep the pressure on and pray for a miracle. As in, Kim chokes on a bon-bon or crashes his plane. We might have a better shot with the generals who come to power.

[albrecht]

I'm aware of the other proliferation issues but these comparisons just make the NK situation look even worse. At this point, I don't see a practical solution that doesn't involve unacceptable risks of major death and destruction.

As long as the Trump administration is in power (and who knows, maybe also the next administration), the most I could hope for is to keep the pressure on and pray for a miracle. As in, Kim chokes on a bon-bon or crashes his plane. We might have a better shot with the generals who come to power.

I think she is still alive? Maybe get Albright to fly over swill some champagne, watch some marches, and solve the thing, AGAIN?

[Jackstar]

"Globalists" and "Deep State" are bullshit terms created to give you phantoms to chase. Look up the origins of those. Antifa as well.

Way, way ahead of you, smart guy.

[Kidnostad3]

It's wishful thinking sure, but maybe if there was less of a focus on the nuclear issue and more on peace and better conditions for the populace we'd have some progress as opposed to none. You don't see anyone complaining about their biological and chemical weapons, or the masses of artillery pointing at Seoul when they are just as deadly.
India, Pakistan, and the potential acquisition of nuclear weapons by Saudi Arabia are much more concerning than NK. NK is fairly predictable in the way they conduct themselves and - excluding the possibility of regime collapse - them having nukes doesn't really bother me at all beyond potentially selling their expertise to other parties as they have with other weapons.

That’s pretty much the soft-headed thinking that allowed N.K. to develop nuclear weapons over the years. Clinton gave them nuclear technology so they could build nuclear reactors to keep their people warm.  Maybe if we organized an enormous group hug and sent James Taylor over to sing You’ve Got a Friend everything would be just dandy. 

[Yorkshire pud]

I think she is still alive? Maybe get Albright to fly over swill some champagne, watch some marches, and solve the thing, AGAIN?

Trump is the one for marches. He wanted one for the inauguration;came back last year from France and demanded his own; The Pentagon rolled their eyes and thought he was joking..He wasn't, so his military will be having one later this year. I suppose it isn't enough that the rest of the world already knows that the USA has more weaponry than everyone else combined, he just needs the parade so he can wave his little flag and wear his Mickey mouse ear hat.

[albrecht]

Trump is the one for marches. He wanted one for the inauguration;came back last year from France and demanded his own; The Pentagon rolled their eyes and thought he was joking..He wasn't, so his military will be having one later this year. I suppose it isn't enough that the rest of the world already knows that the USA has more weaponry than everyone else combined, he just needs the parade so he can wave his little flag and wear his Mickey mouse ear hat.

I thought you lot loved a parade. Seems like any time I visit there is some parade going on. Some royal birthday, some mayor taking office, rightful Remembrance Day stuff, football, rugby, or cricket parades and celebrations, "slut walks" (I don't quite understand that one but something to do with women wanting to "reclaim" the word "slut," student protest parades, anti-war parades, Caribbean festivals and other ethnic marches, and so on. I have to admit it was cool seeing old WWII tanks on the streets (for ceremonial purposes) but wondered how much the tax-payers had to pay the Pollocks immigrant laborers to refinish the streets afterwards.....

[Gd5150]

Trump hits another one out of the park. Hopefully someday the people of IRAN can return to being a free westernized democracy. The days of bribing dictators are over. Too bad for the tyranical regime sponsors in the demokkkrat party.

https://youtu.be/ZiNxzrU3dmE

[Yorkshire pud]

I thought you lot loved a parade. Seems like any time I visit there is some parade going on. Some royal birthday, some mayor taking office, rightful Remembrance Day stuff, football, rugby, or cricket parades and celebrations, "slut walks" (I don't quite understand that one but something to do with women wanting to "reclaim" the word "slut," student protest parades, anti-war parades, Caribbean festivals and other ethnic marches, and so on. I have to admit it was cool seeing old WWII tanks on the streets (for ceremonial purposes) but wondered how much the tax-payers had to pay the Pollocks immigrant laborers to refinish the streets afterwards.....

Hmm, but the PM (Or Buckingham Palace) wouldn't demand a parade for their own entertainment, which is what Trump wants. He went to France saw the Bastille Day parade (I doubt he even knows what that is) and decided he wanted one for himself in DC. The reason he didn't get one for his inauguration was because the Pentagon told him there wasn't time to arrange it (The real reason of course was they weren't going to pander to the self aggrandizing child).

[Yorkshire pud]

Trump hits another one out of the park. Hopefully someday the people of IRAN can return to being a free westernized democracy. The days of bribing dictators are over. Too bad for the tyranical regime sponsors in the demokkkrat party.

https://youtu.be/ZiNxzrU3dmE

Iran has never been a Westernised democracy you muppet. Trump has pulled out because he didn't sign it in the first place, he has no idea what the deal was, have you ever heard him explain why he doesn't like it? No. Because he isn't interested. He just knows his name wasn't on it. The rest of the world thinks it was a pathway to long lasting Iranian non nuclear research, only Trump didn't.. Trump isn't a grown up though...

[starrmtn001]

https://youtu.be/RFB6U-58A7U

[Yorkshire pud]

https://youtu.be/RFB6U-58A7U

Why wouldn't anyone believe it? He calls the fat kid in NK honourable (Who has launched missiles) and tears up an agreement with Iran that even Pompeo said was keeping their side of the bargain..I wonder if his cult will be so happy when gas prices go up as a result?  If Trump decided this afternoon that he wanted the Whitehouse painted bright red with green stripes it wouldn't surprise me.

[Gd5150]

Awe the resident pedofile back to posting 25 times per hour. Lmao!!!! Life is good. Such a sad existence to be so obsessed with hate. Poor demokkkrats.

#HateIsNotAPlatform

[Jackstar]

I wonder if his cult will be so happy when gas prices go up as a result?

Also you are an idiot.

[Jackstar]

Awe the resident pedofile back to posting 25 times per hour. Lmao!!!! Life is good.

Something's happening.

[Yorkshire pud]

Also you are an idiot.

Get on it, those flowers won't deliver themselves Mike. 

[Jackstar]

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.  This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger'  ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs',  'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics',  'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others  shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

3. Create rumor mongers.  Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public  can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

[Kidnostad3]

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.  This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger'  ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs',  'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics',  'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others  shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

3. Create rumor mongers.  Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public  can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet  and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other  attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

Classic shit heel liberal move. 

[Taaroa]

That’s pretty much the soft-headed thinking that allowed N.K. to develop nuclear weapons over the years. Clinton gave them nuclear technology so they could build nuclear reactors to keep their people warm.  Maybe if we organized an enormous group hug and sent James Taylor over to sing You’ve Got a Friend everything would be just dandy.

The cat's out of the bag now, and there's a difference between how you should act once a country has nuclear weapons and while they're visibly trying to acquire them. NK has achieved their long stated (ie since the 60s) goal of developing nukes despite all the sanctions, domestic issues, and efforts to stop them so it's not as though they're going to easily (if ever) give them up. So why is it unreasonable to encourage them to now shift the resources used on their nuclear weapons to less destructive areas?

Also I should point out that encouraging development of peaceful usage of nuclear energy (eg building nuclear reactors to keep their people warm) is one of the core tenets of the Non Proliferation Treaty. North Korea was a party to this treaty until 2003 and Iran still is.

[Yorkshire pud]

Oh dear...Cohen received $500000 from a Russian Oligarch..Plus $200000 from AT & T..(Between January and November 2017).Cohen isn't a registered lobbyist...so What might all that money have been for?  Cohen has pleaded the fifth (Trump: "Only the mob plead the fifth") so no doubt he has a reasonable explanation..