President Donald J. Trump

[PB the Deplorable]

Ho Hum...Another day, another bunch of juvenile, petty Tweets from Trump. He clearly does not want to be POTUS and is doing his best to sabatoge his own position. Meanwhile, the (more than ever) divided GOP still can't manage to put together a substitute for the ACA, and Trump is so far out of the loop he Tweets the defunct Reapeal now, Replace later slogan. What a pathetic bunch of losers! The Trump WH is in dire need of adult supervision. Our only hope is this that this leadership vacuum motivates level-headed moderates from both parties to step in and rally to keep the government afloat.

I'd suggest a little patience.  It's going to take time to get this right, providing McConnell and Ryan are capable of it.  The Senate only has 52 Republicans, and they range from a handful of Tea Party types to some fairly Liberal ones.  Unlike the Ds, they don't all march in lockstep.  The Democrats have indicated none of them will vote for any bill.

Considering the Democrat Party took a wrecking ball to our healthcare insurance industry - against the will of an overwhelming majority of the American people - rather than simply fix the specific issues that needed attention, its a bit off-putting now to hear them attacking the Republicans on the issue.  It must be very tempting for the Rs to just sit back, do nothing, and watch the whole thing collapse and put the blame on Obama and the Ds, before addressing it.

[PB the Deplorable]

... both sides...

... both sides are guilty...

This is why the Ds accuse the Rs of whatever it is they are up to.  When the casual observer looks in, what they see is both sides accusing each other of some misdeed and assume both sides are doing whatever it is, are equally guilty, and its just politics as usual. 

And the Left gets away with whatever destructive action they've taken, and moves on to the next.

[PB the Deplorable]

Because they abandoned this thread? They just got tired of arguing with the terminally stupid. BTW, have a little respect for MV's server and stop uploading files to Bellgab. I'm sure there's a school for the intellectually-challenged in your area (you know, the ones with the short yellow buses) that teaches simple computer skills...

Hey, did you guys know its terminally stupid for a country to control its borders?  To demand the government control its spending and debt?  To properly vet immigrants from countries rife with terrorists vowing to infiltrate our country and attack from within?  To demand our elected officials to operate within the powers of their offices?  To demand our elected officials obey the law? 

Did you realize only the stupid would support deporting violent criminals who entered our country illegally?  Or be opposed to violence in the street for political gain?  Or call out ''celebrities'' who are triggering the least stable among the Destructive Party into shooting elected officials?  To point out the fake news, fake polls, and fake statistics put out by the fake news media?  To have pointed out from the start that the charges of ''obstruction'' and ''collusion'' were fake, and that the Democrats and the fake news media knew it all along?

All very stupid.  Even terminally stupid.  Sure its a little counterintuitive, but I think this is what these people mean when they talk about critical thinking

[nooryisawesome]

People want to talk about the Russians interfering in politics. I agree they are but not in the way most people think they are. It would make sense they are playing both sides and trying to up the hatred towards each other. Trump & Pelosi, insert any politician name you want. There is no difference.

The average American is an idiot. The optimist of you disagree. If you think one side is better than the other congratulations you prove my point.

The media has a lot of the blame. Everything gets turned into some sort of us vs them huge story. I mean honestly do you give a rats ass if some baker makes a cake for some gays or not? Is it really the end of the world because the President sends some dumb tweets? The media is stoking the flames of hatred that will burn this country down. All for ratings which equal $$$.

[nooryisawesome]

This has been going along since at least the 80s, but up until the election of Obama it was pretty one sided on the part of the Democrats.  Oh sure, it would be pointed out the Liberals were advocating socialism, were often playing into the hands of the Soviets when it came to military spending and foreign policy, and their party included the hard left and other degenerates.  Rush would make fun of them and Ann Coulter would respond to them in kind.

But that was about it.  It wasn't until the election of Obama, with his associations with people like Rev Wright, Bill Ayres, etc, that people decided they would no longer shrink away when called racists, bigots, sexists, ''homophobes'', and Nazis by the left wing,  They would no longer just endure the charges of wanting to poison the air and water, tha they hated minorities, old people, children, etc, etc, etc, or feebly try to defend themselves. 

They realized the Democrat Party has been seized by the hard left ''Progressives'', which meant the country was at risk - the name calling, lies, and smears no longer mattered, and they began pointing out who the ''Progressives'' are, why their policies were unacceptable and dangerous, why we don't decide things in this country with street violence, and responding to the name calling and smears in kind.  There is no reason for this to be one sided - throughout history this has been part of the Left's ongoing propaganda campaign in their attempt to seize power.  It's what Alinsky advocated the Left in this country do.  Since they aren't going to stop, I don't see the response to it ending either.  Face it, it's effective.

What we need to do is remove the ''Progressives'' from office - and other positions of influence within society, and stop listening to them.

Because Neo cons policies were better?

This country is literally on the verge of collapsing into factional street violence. When this happened in the 60s there were not smart phones internet, etc. It all needs to stop because no one I promise you will like where this is going. There will be no winner.

[Dr. MD MD]

Because Neo cons policies were better?

This country is literally on the verge of collapsing into factional street violence. When this happened in the 60s there were not smart phones internet, etc. It all needs to stop because no one I promise you will like where this is going. There will be no winner.

Is that all you got?! Vain threats of violence and social upheaval? Yes, both sides can be corrupt. Your side is just the most recent to be exposed and will now have to suffer the consequences. Deal with it.  :

[nooryisawesome]

Is that all you got?! Vain threats of violence and social upheaval? Yes, both sides can be corrupt. Your side is just the most recent to be exposed and will now have to suffer the consequences. Deal with it.  :

I Don't hate Trump. Honestly I believe he is doing what he thinks is best but he is wrong about making the biggest issue in this country worse. Political division has overtaken corruption as our number #1 problem. US lost AAA credit rating not because of financial issues but political gridlock and division. Look at healthcare. I don't believe Obamacare can last unchanged it's already failing. I don't believe Republicans can agree between each other. Republicans can't get a single dem vote in the Senate. What now? Everyone loses

The vile hatred being spewed on both sides is going to send this country into flames. I think we moved past threats of violence awhile ago with some of the "protest". The US is a tinderbox waiting for the match. We are going to go down a road of Hatfield and McCoy like circular logic. Just going to hate each other more and become more polarized. China and Russia win.

When you mix in corruption with competing political divisions from wealthy backers, you get the dumpster fire that is the American political system.

[CozyRozie]

Because Neo cons policies were better?

This country is literally on the verge of collapsing into factional street violence. When this happened in the 60s there were not smart phones internet, etc. It all needs to stop because no one I promise you will like where this is going. There will be no winner.

You know very well that is not going to stop.
Just refresh your memory and look at the maps of FEMA CAMPS that several years ago 'visionaries' started to set up.
If people think that FEMA CAMPS are obsolete objects they are blind and delusional.
They are being kept in working order 24/7 and eventually they will be filled with 'the undesirables'.

The question you (some of you-all of you) should ask is,..who will be the 'undesirables' and who is going to do the catching and locking up.
And as you know there is only two fractions in the good old USofA

..I hope my shitty Mongolian English is clear

[PB the Deplorable]

... This country is literally on the verge of collapsing into factional street violence...

Ok Mr Both Sides are the same.  Please show me the right wingers rioting, blocking streets and bridges, blocking access to speakers, attacking police, attacking people they don't agree with, burning and looting our downtowns.  Give me a few examples of right wingers stalking Democrat office holders and shooting them.  Show me examples of right wingers joking about killing Obama and his family members.  Show me the months and months long crusade to have Obama removed from office and corresponding avalanche of fake news articles and reports in support of the effort.

[PB the Deplorable]

Because Neo cons policies were better?...

I don't know how you categorize the various factions that make up the Republican Party, but Ronald Reagan restructured the economy which brought about 25 years of record growth and ushered in the digital age, computing, and bio-tech pharmaceuticals.  He also set in motion the processes that took down the Soviet Union and their empire.

I suggest we get back to domestic and foreign policies that have worked wherever they've been tried, whatever you want to call them.

[nooryisawesome]

Ok Mr Both Sides are the same.  Please show me the right wingers rioting, blocking streets and bridges, blocking access to speakers, attacking police, attacking people they don't agree with, burning and looting our downtowns.  Give me a few examples of right wingers stalking Democrat office holders and shooting them.  Show me examples of right wingers joking about killing Obama and his family members.  Show me the months and months long crusade to have Obama removed from office and corresponding avalanche of fake news articles and reports in support of the effort.

Ted Nugent made stupid comments about Obama. I love the nudges music too. There are certainly others stupid things the right has done. None of the fake news, Russians hack(no evidence) is right.

I hate the media too, they are the ones creating this situation. I don't want open borders or drug pushers not in prison. I hate the whole situation, we can't even have a civil conversation between our "leaders" anymore.

Even if you believe what your posting, Don't you think at some point enough will be enough. Violence will lead to more violence. There are far right groups that will respond to far left groups violence and vice Versa. There is always some nut like the idiot who mustered innocent blacks at church. Media painted him as right winger, even if he isn't that is public perception. If something like that happened and I pray to God it doesn't. The media would blame trump and the Republicans.

I'm just saying we all have to live in this country together and we would be far better off trying to do the right thing than turning the other side into a villain. Which by the way isn't probably too far off for most politicians because they are owned by various competing special interests.

[nooryisawesome]

I don't know how you categorize the various factions that make up the Republican Party, but Ronald Reagan restructured the economy which brought about 25 years of record growth and ushered in the digital age, computing, and bio-tech pharmaceuticals.  He also set in motion the processes that took down the Soviet Union and their empire.

I suggest we get back to domestic and foreign policies that have worked wherever they've been tried, whatever you want to call them.

W

[Dr. MD MD]

I Don't hate Trump. Honestly I believe he is doing what he thinks is best but he is wrong about making the biggest issue in this country worse. Political division has overtaken corruption as our number #1 problem. US lost AAA credit rating not because of financial issues but political gridlock and division. Look at healthcare. I don't believe Obamacare can last unchanged it's already failing. I don't believe Republicans can agree between each other. Republicans can't get a single dem vote in the Senate. What now? Everyone loses

The vile hatred being spewed on both sides is going to send this country into flames. I think we moved past threats of violence awhile ago with some of the "protest". The US is a tinderbox waiting for the match. We are going to go down a road of Hatfield and McCoy like circular logic. Just going to hate each other more and become more polarized. China and Russia win.

When you mix in corruption with competing political divisions from wealthy backers, you get the dumpster fire that is the American political system.

The real problem is the deep state political class which consist of both Democrats and some Republicans like McCain and Graham, etc. These are the people (like Feinstein and Pelosi) who sided with the bankers rather than the debtors; who sided with the insurance companies rather than the popular demand from their constituents for a universal health care system; who side with the defense industry in demonizing the leaders of 3rd world shitholes so that we can spend (and apparently make) money going to war instead of creating peace, which is surely what the great majority of people want. Until we adequately address this everything else will be like painting a house that's falling down anyway.

[PB the Deplorable]

... I mean honestly do you give a rats ass if some baker makes a cake for some gays or not?...

Actually, yes.  This country was founded on freedom, which means individual freedom from an intrusive government.  A bakery open for business should serve anyone buying goods off the shelf.  They should net be forced to do a special order with a message they disagree with.  This is a fundamental issue regarding individual rights, it's not just about some cake.

And again, look who's forcing the issue on the rest of us instead of just going across the street to the baker that wants the business.

[PB the Deplorable]

... I'm just saying we all have to live in this country together and we would be far better off trying to do the right thing than turning the other side into a villain...

The Left are the aggressors.  I think we've learned from history appeasement doesn't work.  It would be a profound mistake to back down.  If you want this to all stop, talk to them.

[nooryisawesome]

The real problem is the deep state political class which consist of both Democrats and some Republicans like McCain and Graham, etc. These are the people (like Feinstein and Pelosi) who sided with the bankers rather than the debtors; who sided with the insurance companies rather than the popular demand from their constituents for a universal health care system; who side with the defense industry in demonizing the leaders of 3rd world shitholes so that we can spend (and apparently make) money going to war instead of creating peace, which is surely what the great majority of people want. Until we adequately address this everything else will be like painting a house that's falling down anyway.

The entrenched deep state or whatever you want to call them can't even work together any more. Do you realize how messed up that situation is? Everyone who is getting rich off of the current system can't even work together to get even more money to line their pockets.

[nooryisawesome]

The Left are the aggressors.  I think we've learned from history appeasement doesn't work.  It would be a profound mistake to back down.  If you want this to all stop, talk to them.

Neither does putting the whole shit house up in flames.

[Dr. MD MD]

I don't know how you categorize the various factions that make up the Republican Party, but Ronald Reagan restructured the economy which brought about 25 years of record growth and ushered in the digital age, computing, and bio-tech pharmaceuticals.  He also set in motion the processes that took down the Soviet Union and their empire.

I suggest we get back to domestic and foreign policies that have worked wherever they've been tried, whatever you want to call them.

I don't want to bust your balls because I find I agree with you on so much but 25 years of record growth?! Come on! His presidency ended with one of the biggest financial crashes in history (up to that point) and years of recession. Wages haven't grown since before Reagan. He did some good stuff but let's not get too carried away. Trickle down economics did not work. The rising tide did not raise all ships, only the ones who could afford it. The rest were flooded and drown.

[CozyRozie]

Reading some /most/ of your comments I'm laughing at limited visions most of you have (from both sides).
You are so bluntly omitting very logical explanation to your tragedy to your sorrow to your horrors that are coming upon you.
You are like little children, yes you are very well versed but very limited in imagination.
You are like that rabid dog chasing it's own tail. Quite funny actually.. LOL
'you'..I mean from both sides. 

[Dr. MD MD]

At least we can have a pretty civil conversation which is better than the, "leadership" of this country. Even if you believe Alex Jones type theories, that's fine I respect your position to take up a view that is mocked in the press. You should be able to freely put your thoughts out there without someone attacking your charchter or mental capacity. The way the mainstream media does now. Some of the best ideas mankind have ever had has been from some people of questionable sanity. Turns out they were just ahead of their time. So long as direct violence and hatred isn't being spewed all thoughts should be respected in our media.

But they aren't, the media is not responsible. The playboy editor who was crying about breaking up the 4th estate (press), needs to realize you don't get respect  as a group when you are continually wrong and stroke the funeral pyre that is engulfing this nation.

It would help if rather than saying things like even if you believe Alex Jones type theories and then go onto subtly question his sanity if you just clearly state your problem with Jones in a cogent argument. No one ever does though. It's always just this ad hominem type stuff. If you want them to change you need to demand this of yourself first. They won't change until their bottom line is effected, i.e., they start losing money. 

[WOTR]

Reading some /most/ of your comments I'm laughing at limited visions most of you have (from both sides).

Are you sure that is not you, GNblows?  Not only are both of you hated because you have to tell the trooth no matter the personal cost, but each of you are far superior intellectually than 99.95% of the population. 

Did you take an IQ test as a child as well that revealed you to be the genius that you believe yourself to be?

[Dr. MD MD]

Are you sure that is not you, GNblows?  Not only are both of you hated because you have to tell the trooth no matter the personal cost, but each of you are far superior intellectually than 99.95% of the population. 

Did you take an IQ test as a child as well that revealed you to be the genius that you believe yourself to be?

So being liked is more important than the truth? This is what you teach your kids?! 

[Dr. MD MD]

Jimmy's fired up! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFv5tI8FDTo

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCHlD_YfR5w

[CozyRozie]

Are you sure that is not you, GNblows?  Not only are both of you hated because you have to tell the trooth no matter the personal cost, but each of you are far superior intellectually than 99.95% of the population. 

Did you take an IQ test as a child as well that revealed you to be the genius that you believe yourself to be?

if any of you think that I'm that Satan worshiper, women's shit collector, garbage collector for living faggot than you are indeed very stupid and not bright at all.
you go and read his posts, his English is way better than mine, he was quite eloquent actually but at the same time repulsive /at least to me/.
I might agree with his views on the destructive influence the LGBTQ has on humanity , but his post where he with such detail described his 'high' he got
from taking out fresh turd from women's toilet and saving it and getting aroused by it -made him in my eyes total garbage human being adding to it his fascination about Satan.

If some/many of you are really thinking that then you are FUCKING STUPID RETARDS...HAVING NO IMAGINATION.

Because I'm telling you that your political analysis of American situation is very limited and that gives you some indication that I might be gnooryblows then you are indeed fucking intellectual turds.
How many of you under suggestion of that Mexican faggot mayate JesusJuice were thinking that I'm bobo, so few days ago I trolled you with an avatar that had bobo on it.
Or when I trolled that Mexican cockroach JesusJuice on /x/ that I might use Shakespearian English (because day before Dr.MDMD made some reference to it
in his post on Bellgab talking about Queen and their incest stories), suddenly I was considered to be also Dr.MDMD who has few fake accounts on BGab
and just changes his style changes his English, keeps written track of his persona.
Fucking unreal how you are easily manipulated.
I guess if I could do that to most of you I guess I actually do have very high IQ or very vivid imagination.

Fuck I'm getting felling being dirty that I'm associating with such dumb people, and you WOTR by asking me this question are being in that *stupid group*.

You guys /not all of you of course/ are so fucking gullible and so easy to fool that is not even funny. It's sad actually.   

[CozyRozie]

I had already almost 1/2 of that CrownRoyal-BLACK whiskey that my lief LEAF friend couriered to me from Canada to celebrate 145 year birthday of Canada, /I posted about it in REAL FOOD-FAKE FOOD thread, http://bellgab.com/random-topics/real-food-fake-food/msg1068526/#top
so my Mongolian English is influenced (or further fucked up) by this Canadian shine.

..don't read it - or if you do deal with it

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgJAe7i-nAA

[CozyRozie]

I had already almost 1/2 of that CrownRoyal-BLACK whiskey that my lief LEAF friend couriered to me from Canada to celebrate 145 year birthday of Canada, /I posted about it in REAL FOOD-FAKE FOOD thread, http://bellgab.com/random-topics/real-food-fake-food/msg1068526/#top
so my Mongolian English is influenced (or further fucked up) by this Canadian shine.

..don't read it - or if you do deal with it

*CORRECTION*
it's leaf -not- lief
I corrected already...
I think I should shwitch to the Shakespearian English... this Mongolian shit is too difficult to keep up with it... :

[WOTR]

So being liked is more important than the truth? This is what you teach your kids?! 

Nope... But I also recognize that my "truth" is not, necessarily, the same as yours.  There are facts, and there is a universal truth (water is wet, the sky is blue, fire is hot)... But when it comes to politics, I'm willing to allow that there is room for more than just my understanding and beliefs...

[Dr. MD MD]

*CORRECTION*
it's leaf -not- lief
I corrected already...
I think I should shwitch to the Shakespearian English... this Mongolian shit is too difficult to keep up with it... :

Based on your posts and our discussions I've just always assumed you're Russian. To me it's OK if you are. I'm not someone who believes in demonizing a whole nation of people, especially a country as big as yours. I'd prefer detente with Russia. You're not communist anymore and many great scientists and artists have come from Russia. Our space programs are already joined at the hip, so to speak and the world's best selling video game was made by a Russian. Just don't go all Red Dawn.