President Donald J. Trump

[GravitySucks]

The Rinos have captured the Party and turned it to mush.  This has been a problem since Gingrich resigned, if not since the first Bush regime.  There are still some Rs in Congress who aren't the ''the status quo''.  Today you saw them stand up and vote 'No' on RyanCare, despite a full court press by Trump and the Rinos.  They were right and Trump was wrong.

I don't know much about Pence, but he's at least somewhat of a Conservative.  Which means he isn't ''the status quo'' either.  The ''fundamental change in direction'' needs to go in the right direction.  We got a fundamental change in direction with Obama, and it was a disaster.

Based on what we've seen since The Great Divider took office in 2008, there is going to be strife no matter who is president.  More so if a Republican holds the office - for the Fake Media and the Ds its going to be Party First regardless, and their game plan is strife and divisiveness.  We just have to accept that and fight back.

I don't think civil war is even a remote concern. 



He doesn't have to be defeated, only kept from enacting the issues he campaigned on.  So far everyone involved - Big Media, the phony judges, the Ds, the Rinos, Trump himself - have done a pretty good job of bottling it all up.

When you are up to your ass in alligators, it is hard to remember that your mission was to drain the swamp.

He will be challenged in the courts for every fundametak change he tried to make. Immigration and the birder wall especially. Wait until the environmentalists start suing over the wall.

I hope his budget cuts make it past congress.

[Dr. MD MD]

The Rinos have long since captured the Party and turned it to mush.  This has been a problem since Gingrich resigned, if not since the first Bush regime.  There are still some Rs in Congress who aren't the ''the status quo''.  Today you saw them stand up and vote 'No' on RyanCare, despite a full court press by Trump and the Rinos.  They were right and Trump was wrong.

I don't know much about Pence, but he's at least somewhat of a Conservative.  Which means he isn't ''the status quo'' either.  The ''fundamental change in direction'' needs to go in the right direction.  We got a fundamental change in direction with Obama, and it was a disaster.

Based on what we've seen since The Great Divider won in 2008, there is going to be strife no matter who is president.  More so if a Republican holds the office - for the Fake Media and the Ds its going to be Party First regardless, and their game plan is strife and divisiveness.  We just have to accept that and fight back.

I don't think civil war is even a remote concern. 



He doesn't have to be defeated, only kept from enacting the issues he campaigned on.  So far everyone involved - Big Media, the phony judges, the Ds, the Rinos, Trump himself - have done a pretty good job of bottling it all up.

I'd like to see this change too, and for Trump to start pulling things together and enacting his agenda.  So far its not happening.

It's all going to boil down to this fight: globalists vs nationalists...and not just here but everywhere. Most are pretty fed up with the globalist direction, well, except those who are profiting from it, I guess.

[Lt.Uhura]

While Trump and the GOP throw up their hands up and say, ok, let Obamacare explode, they will never acknowledge their own contribution to its destruction. Primarily, defunding risk corridors, and blocking the Medicaid expansion. It's interesting that the insurers know the truth.

Republicans Are Crying About Obamacare Problems They Helped Create
They’ve been trying to undermine the health care program â€" and they have.
...
Defunding Risk Corridors
When Democrats wrote the Affordable Care Act, they understood that insurers might initially have a hard time figuring out where to set prices. Because insurers hadn’t sold these kinds of policies (with comprehensive benefits) under these conditions (without exclusions for pre-existing conditions), they didn’t have actuarial data on which to base pricing decisions.
In order to reassure insurers that might hesitate to enter the markets amid such unknowns, and in order to protect them against crippling losses, the law’s architects created a “risk corridor” program, in which the government promised to reimburse insurers, mostly, for excessive losses. (Insurers that misjudged in the other direction, and had unexpected windfalls, would pay part of that money into the program.)
The idea was not novel. Medicare Part D, the program that provides seniors with prescription drug coverage, also has a risk corridor program. And it has never been controversial ― even though it’s a permanent part of the program, unlike the temporary one in the Affordable Care Act.
‪But conservative groups targeted the program, calling it a “bailout” for health insurance companies, despite the fact that it was included in the law from the beginning. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) picked up the mantle and led a crusade to undercut the program’s funding.‬
In 2014, Rubio got his proposal into the year-end spending agreement and President Barack Obama, feeling the rest of the legislation was necessary to keep the government functioning, signed it. Later, during a presidential debate, Rubio even bragged about it...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58cc48e3e4b0be71dcf4d685

[PB the Deplorable]

I haven't given up on Trump.  I just think it's going to be damn near impossible to put the tooth paste back in the tube when it comes to healthcare. Once enacted entitlements never really go away.  It will take a seismic shift in all areas of healthcare and in the health insurance industry in order for any free market based plan to work and I just don't see the impetus for that to happen.

In 2010 the American people gave the House to the Rs.  In 2014 they gave them the Senate.  In both years the major issue was ObamaCare.  In the eight years Obama was president the Ds lost over 1000 legislative seats at the state level.  Obama and ObamaCare was a big reason why.

In 2016 Trump won the election.  ObamaCare was one of the reasons, after the border, Moslem refugees, disadvantageous trade agreements. 

The Rs need to have the courage to ignore the Fake News Media and plow ahead on this.  But only if they can manage to craft a good bill.

[PB the Deplorable]

... It's interesting that the insurers know the truth.

... When Democrats wrote the Affordable Care Act, they understood...

First off, Nancy Pelosi had her insurance industry lobbyist cronies write the bill.  They wrote it so the federal government would ensure their profits.  They lost at their own game.  Too bad.  I congratulate the Rs for undermining this unethical, crony capitalist, unconstitutional bill.  Too bad they didn't destroy it completely.

As far as the Democrats writing the bill and ''understanding'' something, are these the same people that endlessly repeated (read:  lied about) everyone keeping our doctors, keeping our insurance if we liked it, and saving $2500 each? 

Because its a little disingenuous to suggest they could be so wrong about all that, yet so nuanced with the rest of it.  They deserve full blame for forcing this piece of garbage on the American people against our will, and lying about it. 

[Lt.Uhura]

Furthermore, to the repeated bitching and whining from Rs about the ACA forcing people to change insurers and doctors--these changes of insurers has been going on for years, long before the ACA. I can't ever remember a time when there weren't changes.

I've been with the same employer for over two decades and I can't count the number of times our health insurance has changed hands. Over the years premiums have steadily grown, provider groups reconfigured, certain benefits given, then taken away. In one case, our insurer packed up and left in the middle of the night, stiffing us with unpaid bills. This is how insurance companies operate, people. They are not in business to see that we "keep our same doctor". Their primary objective is feeding their profit margin with our money, while providing a minimum of services.

[JesusJuice]

Lt. Uhura, why do you hate America?

[Lt.Uhura]

Lt. Uhura, why do you hate America?

I don't hate America. I am America. I'm one of the millions of taxpaying working stiffs who's paying the salaries and providing premium health coverage for the losers in D.C. They work for me.

[Lt.Uhura]

Exactly. For 8 years their job 1 was obstruction. For some reason voters hated the do-nothing Congress when that was Republicans stopping everything Obama tried to accomplish from job stimulus to keeping Wall Street and banks honest and items they were for before they were against.

Now they have to govern instead of just saying no. May be a tough transition for them


McConnell: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

The Victory of ‘No’
The GOP’s unprecedented anti-Obama obstructionism was a remarkable success. And then it handed the party to Donald Trump.
By MICHAEL GRUNWALD December 04, 2016

Amen, Sister TL!

#Resist and #Persist

[Lt.Uhura]

Republicans have the Presidency, Senate and House (by a decent margin) and still couldn't get anything passed. What will they say next time "Hey elect Republicans so was can get rid of Obamacare...... We are super serious non-crossing fingers this time"

There's a line I just heard today, "Any jackass can knock down a barn, takes a good man/carpenter to build one"

Brilliant!

[Lt.Uhura]

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[Lt.Uhura]

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[Meister_000]

I'll have a '59. 

I'll have a "53" please

[Neil-Young's 53 Paul "Blacky" (was Gold Top originally, he spray panted it blk long ago): P90 neck / FireBird mini-hum bridge, Bigsby B-7. All his classic electric work was recorded using this exact instrument.]

[Kidnostad3]

Furthermore, to the repeated bitching and whining from Rs about the ACA forcing people to change insurers and doctors--these changes of insurers has been going on for years, long before the ACA. I can't ever remember a time when there weren't changes.

I've been with the same employer for over two decades and I can't count the number of times our health insurance has changed hands. Over the years premiums have steadily grown, provider groups reconfigured, certain benefits given, then taken away. In one case, our insurer packed up and left in the middle of the night, stiffing us with unpaid bills. This is how insurance companies operate, people. They are not in business to see that we "keep our same doctor". Their primary objective is feeding their profit margin with our money, while providing a minimum of services.

It would seem that you favor a single payer system?  Has anyone really costed that out and if so what is the price tag?

[Kidnostad3]

I'll have a '59. 

What I had in mind was a Grey Goose Gibson:

[TigerLily]

I know many of you hoped that Trump and the Republican Congress were going to do great things for the working guy and middle-class. After only two months it should be getting pretty obvious that is not who they are interested in helping. Looks like Trump and Congress are going to let Obamacare collapse/explode and then you'll have no choice but accept that awful plan they put forward that helps no one but the Insurance Companies. And hurts hundreds of millions.

Trump May Have Lost on Obamacare Yet Still Controls Its Fate

President Donald Trump has previously mused about taking a different path: letting the health law collapse on its own and forcing Democrats to the table. And he returned to those remarks on Friday, saying, “We’ll end up with a truly great health care bill in the future after this mess known as Obamacare explodes.”

It's not clear House Republicans will be in any mood to help out the health law or its customers, either. House Speaker Paul Ryan said Friday that the health law was collapsing, and Republicans were doing its crafter a favor by working to repeal it.

[TigerLily]

It would seem that you favor a single payer system?  Has anyone really costed that out and if so what is the price tag?

Quality of Healthcare ranking by country

1. United Kingdom
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
9. France
10. Canada
11. United States

It's fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn't support that view
All countries on this graph have single-payer system but United States

[Meister_000]

I haven't given up on Trump.  I just think it's going to be damn near impossible to put the tooth paste back in the tube when it comes to healthcare. Once enacted entitlements never really go away.  It will take a seismic shift in all areas of healthcare and in the health insurance industry in order for any free market based plan to work and I just don't see the impetus for that to happen.

"Free Market Healthcare"
= Non Sequiturian Gold!  

[Meister_000]

Quality of Healthcare ranking by country . . .
11. USA
All countries on this graph have single-payer system but United States

Excellence TL.

[Kidnostad3]

Excellence TL.

WHAT WOULD THE COST BE FOR SOCIALIZED MEDICINE-- ANY IDEA?

[TigerLily]

WHAT WOULD THE COST BE FOR SOCIALIZED MEDICINE-- ANY IDEA?

That's what the list and graph were for numbskull Mr. Kid

[FightTheFuture]

Quality of Healthcare ranking by country

1. United Kingdom
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
9. France
10. Canada
11. United States

It's fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn't support that view
All countries on this graph have single-payer system but United States

More importantly for you, how does Paraguay stack up? I heard the going rate for a home visit  now is 2 hens. Perhaps you could confirm that for us, Tigs.

[TigerLily]

WHAT WOULD THE COST BE FOR SOCIALIZED MEDICINE-- ANY IDEA?

Here is the cost per capita of countries with "socialized medicine" compared to U.S.   Should I do the next one with crayons?

U.S. costs prior to Obamacare

[TigerLily]

More importantly for you, how does Paraguay stack up? I heard the going rate for a home visit  now is 2 hens. Perhaps you could confirm that for us, Tigs.

Well worth it considering we can choose our own brujo

I have to admit. Nice to see you FTF

[FightTheFuture]

Well worth it considering we can choose our own brujo

I have to admit. Nice to see you FTF

Indeed. I`m sorry if it`s difficult to make such an admission. Not so much for me; Good to see you, Tigs. Hope the banditos haven`t had their way with you yet.

[PB the Deplorable]

WHAT WOULD THE COST BE FOR SOCIALIZED MEDICINE-- ANY IDEA?

It's not just the cost the first few years of the transition, although anyone paying attention would know the excess waste of a government run anything would far exceed the profits of that same thing in the private sector

The real questions, when these ''you didn't build that'' types steal our healthcare system, are:  will the current level of service remain the same or increase (no), will innovation in medical procedures continue (no), will innovation in medical equipment continue (no), will new drugs continue to be developed at the current rate (no), will medical research continue at the current rate (no).

When the Marxists seize control of an industry or an entire economy, it stagnates and gets run into the ground through bureaucracy and mismanagement.  This is as clear as it can possibly be.  If it weren't for the US leading the world in research, innovation, pharmaceuticals, etc, those Euro-style government run healthcare systems would be worse off than they already are. 

And again, I've already debunked those statistics multiple times, including recently, so there's no use in going over it again at this point (just a few hints:  we have more advanced medical equipment per person in hospitals here, for pharma the Europeans stats include just the cost of pills they buy, while the costs attributed to the US include years long development and testing of those pharmaceuticals.  We train more of the world's doctors in our schools and that's counted against our costs, etc, etc.  It's not an apple to apple comparison because the Fake News Media has a narrative they want to push).  There's a reason world leaders and others come to the US for serious medical issues.

What we have is a medical INSURANCE issue, a third world inner city ''Progressive' created issue (that skews the overall health stats), and too much government intrusion NOW which increases costs.  What we don't have is a medical CARE issue.

[PB the Deplorable]

Beyond turning our healthcare system over to the people who can't run the DMV, the question outside that is:  with a $20 trillion national debt and well over $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities at the federal level alone, when that comes home to roost what happens to government spending on our healthcare?

Those who just simply want a nationalized healthcare system because they want it won't even acknowledge any of these issues, let alone address them. 

[TigerLily]

Indeed. I`m sorry if it`s difficult to make such an admission. Not so much for me; Good to see you, Tigs. Hope the banditos haven`t had their way with you yet.

Only if they ask nicely after dinner

[TigerLily]

Beyond turning our healthcare system over to the people who can't run the DMV, the question outside that is:  with a $20 trillion national debt and well over $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities at the federal level alone, when that comes home to roost what happens to government spending on our healthcare?

Those who just simply want a nationalized healthcare system because they want it won't even acknowledge any of this are issues, let alone address them.

How do grandma and grandpa feel about Medicare?

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied | Gallup
www.gallup.com › poll › americans-gov...
Nov 6, 2015 - Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, ...

High satisfaction with Medicare | BenefitsPRO 

Survey: U.S. Seniors Overwhelmingly Satisfied with ...
https://www.hlc.org › news › survey-u-s-...
“It's very rare to get nine out of 10 people to agree on anything, but Medicare Part D has sustained that level   

[PB the Deplorable]

How do grandma and grandpa feel about Medicare?

They paid for it.

Our grandparents built this country, we really ought to pay attention to what they have to say about the direction people like Obama are taking it in.