President Donald J. Trump

[jazmunda]

Here's the leaked call between Trump and Australian PM Malcolm Turnball.

https://youtu.be/0xibyvV4AJA

[Taaroa]

"What Reuters identifies as "U.S. military officials" says that "[President] Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations."

Isn't that the responsibility of the military to develop prior to and after seeking approval from the president, who is advised by the military in making his decision?

Reading the account of it it sounds like it was a military screw up. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/middleeast/donald-trump-yemen-commando-raid-questions.html

I'd like to know more about the $75mil aircraft that was destroyed.

[Lt.Uhura]

Poor kid. He's been dragged though hell, and will never live this down.You can tell he's sensitive, well mannered, quiet, smart.

Yes, nothing like his father, thank goodness.

[Meister_000]

pizzagate alumni 

Ok, you got me, or the op. I deleted it -- best I can do. Sorry. Doesn't alter the bottum line though. Now I'll just have to go out and find two better ones, or just wait a week . . .

[Meister_000]

Isn't that the responsibility of the military to develop prior to and after seeking approval from the president, who is advised by the military in making his decision?

Reading the account of it it sounds like it was a military screw up. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/middleeast/donald-trump-yemen-commando-raid-questions.html

I'd like to know more about the $75mil aircraft that was destroyed.

Trump was pressuring them to expedite. More from the same Times article:

"Mr. Trump’s new national security team, led by Mr. Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency and a retired general with experience in counterterrorism raids, has said that it wants to speed the decision-making when it comes to such strikes, delegating more power to lower-level officials so that the military may respond more quickly. Indeed, the Pentagon is drafting such plans to accelerate activities against the Qaeda branch in Yemen.
But doing that also raises the possibility of error. “You can mitigate risk in missions like this, but you can’t mitigate risk down to zero,” said William Wechsler, a former top counterterrorism official at the Pentagon."

[SciFiAuthor]

Poor kid. He's been dragged though hell, and will never live this down.You can tell he's sensitive, well mannered, quiet, smart.

He'll inherit a shitload of money, stop worrying.

[K_Dubb]

Isn't that the responsibility of the military to develop prior to and after seeking approval from the president, who is advised by the military in making his decision?

Reading the account of it it sounds like it was a military screw up. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/middleeast/donald-trump-yemen-commando-raid-questions.html

I'd like to know more about the $75mil aircraft that was destroyed.

I saw a report it was one of these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Boeing_V-22_Osprey

I don't follow these things but they seem to crash a lot.

[paladin1991]

Yeah I thought all that was a real hatchet job too.

Okay, this is no shitter No. 173.   I was assigned to the Pentagon when the Iran-Contra thing went down.  After it was found out that Fawn Hall, Ollie North's secretary, had taken documents out of the White House in her underwear she was seconded to the Pentagon for a while.  She worked in an office two doors down from me in the D Ring.  I actually had short casual conversations with her on 2 occasions. You know one of those conversations that begins with "Good morning? how are you doing today" and ends in less than a minute.

Yeah I know, I'm a lot like Forest Gump right?   Never the less, all true.

You know what they say about stories that begin with 'This is a no shitter' don't you? It's either the stone fucking gospel or its gold plated bullshit.  You know where I taste the truth of your statement?  It's the convo's with Hall.  Two of them.  Less than a minute. 
If you had said that you two had talked over coffee or that she blew you in the elevator on the way to the incinerator and made you hold the burn bag while she  gargled your balls.... I would have called Bullshit.

[Meister_000]

He'll inherit a shitload of money, stop worrying.

Well, maybe, at least, there is some wisdom ? in the "Boy named Sue" effect. He is sensitive but/and/so will need now to harden his skin/heart some to withstand the shall-we-say Sewer-Gab types who laid into Art and Heather here last year.

[paladin1991]

30000 are killed in the USA per year with firearms and you think it immoral the people who make the tools for those deaths are not held accountable; but officials who have hold over a state should be?

Again, pud?  You throw gun control into the mix.  Since you can't own firearms, you really sound like a jealous fag.

[paladin1991]

Good luck with Mexico asking the US to help with their 'bad' hombres! And if they don't, and US troops go in over the border uninvited, that is a breach of sovereignty of Mexico.

Millions of their ppl have come across our border illegally.  But we send a (insert number here) troops in, hypothetically, and we're the assholes.

[paladin1991]

You're not informed so I won't argue with you.

No.  No.  Please argue.  Not being informed hasn't stopped you fm shitting in this thread.

[Meister_000]

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[K_Dubb]

Ok, you got me, or the op. I deleted it -- best I can do. Sorry. Doesn't alter the bottum line though. Now I'll just have to go out and find two better ones, or just wait a week . . .

No idea what Pizzagate has to do with this but this guy, whose twitter is very interesting, has been on the alarmist tear for a while.

[Meister_000]

No idea what Pizzagate has to do with this but this guy, whose twitter is very interesting, has been on the alarmist tear for a while.

Ya, earlier (just after my stumble) I rooted around a bit in his general google and twitter-spheres and saw enough interesting things and off-shoots, topics or people, to go back again later. I wish twitter clients had a bookmark feature rather than having to full-on "like" something in order to mark it somehow.

[Juan]

Oh? Which terrorists from Iran, Syria, Sudan, Yemen and Somalia 'got in'? I know of 19 from Saudi Arabia and another two from Chechnya.

There are the "Minnesota Men," as the press insisted on calling them. They are Somalis.

[K_Dubb]

Finally Fox covers it.  Funny to see those morning chuckleheads trying to figure out if it's good for Trump or bad for Trump, with one guy even suggesting it was leaked by the White House because it makes Trump look strong.  Kellyanne is supposed to be on later to tell them.  Hahaha oh lord

[Meister_000]

Finally Fox covers it.  Funny to see those morning chuckleheads trying to figure out if it's good for Trump or bad for Trump, with one guy even suggesting it was leaked by the White House because it makes Trump look strong.  Kellyanne is supposed to be on later to tell them.  Hahaha oh lord

This whole thing (Trump-Warp) is like perverse SNL skit come real -- this can't _possibly_ be happening!  Six months ago Josh Marshall coined the term "Trump's Razor": "ascertain the stupidest possible scenario that can be reconciled with the available facts and that answer is likely correct!

[PB the Deplorable]

Millions of their ppl have come across our border illegally.  But we send a (insert number here) troops in, hypothetically, and we're the assholes.

Encouraged by their government.  Provided ''how to'' guides on crossing the border illegally and then applying for handout programs, by their government.  Once here supported by their government with documents (how would their embassies know who they are in order to provide this?), legal support etc.  Their government tells them much of SW US was stolen from them.

How is all that, as ongoing policy, not ''an act of war''?

Does anyone from Mexico really believe the southwest US would be anything like it is now had it been part of Mexico all along?  It would be like the rest of Mexico is now, and people living there would be trying to cross from there into the US

Once again, we're just Uncle Sap, and we're supposed to accept it and not say or do anything.

[PB the Deplorable]

... leaked by the White House...

Rinse Prebus was a terrible choice for chief of staff.  He's my guess to be the leaker.  At best he should be liaison to the Republican National Committee.

[Meister_000]

aaannnd . . . we're off!

[Kidnostad3]

You know what they say about stories that begin with 'This is a no shitter' don't you? It's either the stone fucking gospel or its gold plated bullshit.  You know where I taste the truth of your statement?  It's the convo's with Hall.  Two of them.  Less than a minute. 
If you had said that you two had talked over coffee or that she blew you in the elevator on the way to the incinerator and made you hold the burn bag while she  gargled your balls.... I would have called Bullshit.

If it's a numbered no shitter you can take it to the bank.  Other things I say, you're on your own. 

[PB the Deplorable]

aaannnd . . . we're off!

After so many years of no response to the domestic terrorists trashing our cities, cutting off federal funds seems like a fairly low key response.

If it were me, and the local governments continued to refuse to arrest and prosecute in any meaningful way, I would send in federal resources (police, National Guard if need be), arrest the violent protesters and the organizers, prosecute on RICO charges, and press for maximum sentences. 

There aren't really very many of these thugs, and once they start being locked up, this all ends.

[Meister_000]

going down?

[PB the Deplorable]

going down?

Unlike, say, Obama, who smiles and puts together a deal to bring thousands of refugees Australia doesn't want here.  Where we don't want them either.

[Taaroa]

I saw a report it was one of these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Boeing_V-22_Osprey

I don't follow these things but they seem to crash a lot.

It's interesting to me that reports say it was 'deliberately destroyed' making it seem like US forces did it, which sounds a bit reminiscent of the Bin Laden raid and that crashed stealth helicopter.

[Kidnostad3]

I hope Punxsutawney Phil bites the shit out of one of his handlers again this year.  They oughta let a sleeping ground hog lie.

[Dr. MD MD]

Again, pud?  You throw gun control into the mix.  Since you can't own firearms, you really sound like a jealous fag.

Every fucking day. Count on it!  :

[Meister_000]

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[Meister_000]

(first Bannon, now . .) Mike Flynn is building a wall inside the National Security Council
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-national-security-234526

"You will not have the experts in the room when the principals are having these discussions," worries one NSC veteran who has heard complaints from White House officials this week. The person, like others, agreed to speak on condition of anonymity.

"They are not being used," added another source with direct knowledge of the developments, who similarly expressed concern that the Trump team is "doubling down on cutting out the professional experts."

"They have been emasculated and have no authority," the source added. "But they are still getting hammered by agencies and allies and don't know what to tell them. … Many are heading for the exits."

The concerns come after Trump granted his political strategist Steve Bannon, who is separately constructing his own power center inside the West Wing, membership of the highest rung of the National Security Council, traditionally reserved for Cabinet chiefs.