President Donald J. Trump

[Dr. MD MD]

Better Care Reconciliation Act
1. Repeal and replace amendment
Procedural vote failed on Tuesday
YES 43 -   NO 57

Obamacare Repeal and Reconciliation Act
2. Partial repeal amendment
Vote failed on Wednesday
YES 45 -   NO 55

Has anybody actually heard Trump give specific of what he actually wants or his ideal plan? I heard him saying vague stuff like "It will be great" and "it will bring cost down" but I never actually heard him say any provisions. I might have missed it. But then he also said we must repeal and replace immediately changed to repeal and replace isn't important, he even said keep it as it is and he keeps flipping back and forth depending on the hour.

Congress does hold a lot of responsibility, but Trump certainly didn't help his cause in trying to take credit for other peoples work and then quickly throwing them under the bus (See: Trump "mean bill" quote for the house bill) I don't know how anybody would go out on a limb for him (see: Sessions)

It's not such a big deal because it's not one of the main reasons he was elected. I never expected Trump would've spent his free time over the past few years drafting a health care plan on the chance that he might become president. No one thought Trump had a plan. It would be silly. The Republicans, however, did posture for years as if they had a better way but they're really just for Obamacare because it's a giant wet kiss to their friends in the insurance industry: a plan that forces people to buy insurance in the land of the free.  :

[MV/Liberace!]

Well, that's quite stupid.  How are any of us benefitting by Trump being ineffective and wasting an opportunity to implement the agenda he ran on - gummed up by his own ego and hubris?  It's just like I said it would be:  the Schwarzenegger governorship come to DC.  I'm not happy to be right about it.

You haven't been correct about much of anything in over two years. No reason this would/should change now.

[PaulAtreides]

Military Times reported in 2015 that the military spent $84 million on erectile disfunction medications such as Viagra and Cialis the year before. Meanwhile, a 2016 Rand Corporation study estimated that the maximum annual medical costs for transgender military members would be around $8.4 million, Business Insider reports.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343974-pentagon-spends-10-times-more-on-erectile-disfunction-medications

Your tax dollars at work.

Well, our military leaders must maintain a stiff upper lip at all times.

[chefist]

You haven't been correct about much of anything in over two years. No reason this would/should change now.

Almost 2 weeks after you mentioned something about Sessions non performance, Trump comes out gunning for him. Man, you two are tight!

[Lt.Uhura]

Well, our military leaders must maintain a stiff upper lip at all times.

I don't know...weapons and erectile dysfunction meds sounds like a volatile combination. 

[MV/Liberace!]

Almost 2 weeks after you mentioned something about Sessions non performance, Trump comes out gunning for him. Man, you two are tight!

Finger on the pulse. I'm one of the nation's great political analysts.

[starrmtn001]

Finger on the pulse. I'm one of the nation's great political analysts.

PRAISE, MV!

SO SAY WE ALL!

[Yorkshire pud]

Finger on the pulse pussy. I'm one of the nation's great political analysts.

FIFY

[chefist]

Finger on the pulse. I'm one of the nation's great political analysts.

[Gd5150]

Better Care Reconciliation Act
1. Repeal and replace amendment
Procedural vote failed on Tuesday
YES 43 -   NO 57

Obamacare Repeal and Reconciliation Act
2. Partial repeal amendment
Vote failed on Wednesday
YES 45 -   NO 55

Has anybody actually heard Trump give specific of what he actually wants or his ideal plan? I heard him saying vague stuff like "It will be great" and "it will bring cost down" but I never actually heard him say any provisions. I might have missed it. But then he also said we must repeal and replace immediately changed to repeal and replace isn't important, he even said keep it as it is and he keeps flipping back and forth depending on the hour.

Congress does hold a lot of responsibility, but Trump certainly didn't help his cause in trying to take credit for other peoples work and then quickly throwing them under the bus (See: Trump "mean bill" quote for the house bill) I don't know how anybody would go out on a limb for him (see: Sessions)

No wonder it lost. Name it the Hillary Clinton make healthcare beautiful again act and it would pass overwhelmingly.

[Yorkshire pud]

No wonder it lost. Name it the Hillary Clinton make healthcare beautiful again act and it would pass overwhelmingly.

Tell the class please the detail that Trump has planned to repeal and replace (cheaper, better and with more access remember?) the ACA..Be specific.

[Lt.Uhura]

Better Care Reconciliation Act
1. Repeal and replace amendment
Procedural vote failed on Tuesday
YES 43 -   NO 57

Obamacare Repeal and Reconciliation Act
2. Partial repeal amendment
Vote failed on Wednesday
YES 45 -   NO 55

Has anybody actually heard Trump give specific of what he actually wants or his ideal plan? I heard him saying vague stuff like "It will be great" and "it will bring cost down" but I never actually heard him say any provisions. I might have missed it. But then he also said we must repeal and replace immediately changed to repeal and replace isn't important, he even said keep it as it is and he keeps flipping back and forth depending on the hour.

Congress does hold a lot of responsibility, but Trump certainly didn't help his cause in trying to take credit for other peoples work and then quickly throwing them under the bus (See: Trump "mean bill" quote for the house bill) I don't know how anybody would go out on a limb for him (see: Sessions)

"Specifics" would require him to read something and communicate beyond his limited vocabulary of Tweetables like "good", beautiful", "better", "sad", etc...

[Dr. MD MD]

Foxconn to manufacture in Wisconsin. That's all good but I just wonder if they'll install the standard suicide nets or not? 

[Kidnostad3]

More Democrat stonewalling:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/26/russia-probe-democrats-block-key-witness-against-shadowy-firm-fusion-gps.html

[starrmtn001]

WATCH: President Trump Speaks About Foxconn Factory in Wisconsin and New Jobs in America.  7.26.17.

https://youtu.be/dDHjY0hDcqU

[albrecht]

WATCH: President Trump Speaks About Foxconn Factory in Wisconsin and New Jobs in America.  7.26.17.

Don't get me wrong it is good to have jobs coming back to the States but it also is a bit sad. Foxconn is a place where they have suicide nets because the workers are, essentially, often captive and work long hours and live in factory compounds and infamous'y several killed themselves by leaping off buildings. I'm all for mfg and even coal jobs but should we be celebrating that companies see the USA as an opportunity for cheap labor or dangerous jobs like mining? Shouldn't we be focusing on getting OUT of low-wage or dangerous jobs and want professional jobs, innovation, technology, etc? If Foxconn said, for example, we are moving our corporate offices from Taipei to Madison and building some factories I would feel better about it. I'm just wondering. I see a Taiwanese company saying they want to bring theses jobs to Wisconsin and a part of me says: has Wisconsin sunk so low? Are we really saying we can compete with near slave labor?

[PB the Deplorable]

Military Times reported in 2015 that the military spent $84 million on erectile disfunction medications such as Viagra and Cialis the year before. Meanwhile, a 2016 Rand Corporation study estimated that the maximum annual medical costs for transgender military members would be around $8.4 million, Business Insider reports.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343974-pentagon-spends-10-times-more-on-erectile-disfunction-medications

Your tax dollars The Obama Administration at work.

FIFY

[PB the Deplorable]

The GOP have less interest in decent affordable health for all being beholden to government for our healthcare than a maggot has for live meat. They should just be honest and admit they're wanting massive tax cuts for the CEO's of the insurance companies who benefit from astronomic insurance policies they don't believe in socialism. The Ds should Stop pretending to give a shit about the people.

FIFY

[PB the Deplorable]

More Democrat stonewalling:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/26/russia-probe-democrats-block-key-witness-against-shadowy-firm-fusion-gps.html

More obstruction!?!  We really need to impeach that Trump! 

Wait, its the Ds?  I think that's ok, right?

[Yorkshire pud]

FIFY

Having insurance companies dictate who lives and dies based on their income/job status is a good thing? I see. You do know how insurance works don't you? They base their premiums on risk..So if you have an illness through no fault of your own and go to an insurance company, they'll charge you a premium based on how likely you'll need further treatment. Population thinning the way Shysters do it.

Incidentally 'Socialist' health is what the western world use, even Switzerland. And the USA has been consistently bottom of all the other countries that use it since forever. Ideology might make your eyes widen but its not a good thing when people can't be well.

[PB the Deplorable]

... 2. Partial repeal amendment
Vote failed on Wednesday
YES 45 -   NO 55...

Republican No votes:

Shelley Moore R-W.Va.
Susan Collins, R-Maine
Dean Heller, R-Nev
John McCain, R-Ariz.
Rob Portman, R-Ohio
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.

These people need to go.  Frankly, more of the Rinos would have voted against repeal and need to go as well, but knew repeal didn't have enough support to pass so were free to vote for it - just like all but one of these miscreants voted for repeal in the past, knowing Obama wouldn't sign it.

I don't care how McCain goes, but I hope its sooner than later.

... Has anybody actually heard Trump give specific of what he actually wants or his ideal plan?...

Of course not.  He's a dumb blowhard.

[Yorkshire pud]

Politico version of the behind-the-scenes of the Trump Transgender Tweets Decision:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990

Mattis last week wanted time to even think about this (Saying there was between 2000-15000 people who would be affected-it seems to be nearer 7000 serving personnel), and Trump decided to go his usual way and post a tweet.. The DP had to very hastily issue a statement to say current policy hasn't been changed.

Why is Trump even bothering himself about TG issues in the military when he's effectively absolved himself of responsibility of the military in general? He's C in C in name only as he's passed off decisions and responsibility to the Joint Chiefs. Then again, her did get his draft dodging for Vietnam up to five..

[PB the Deplorable]

Having insurance companies dictate who lives and dies based on their income/job status is a good thing? I see. You do know how insurance works don't you? They base their premiums on risk..So if you have an illness through no fault of your own and go to an insurance company, they'll charge you a premium based on how likely you'll need further treatment. Population thinning the way Shysters do it.

Incidentally 'Socialist' health is what the western world use, even Switzerland. And the USA has been consistently bottom of all the other countries that use it since forever. Ideology might make your eyes widen but its not a good thing when people can't be well.

US to Pud, and the rest of Europe: 

We don't like it.  We don't want it.  We want the issues with our healthcare insurance fixed, not the whole thing socialized.  We have plenty of government programs that cover the poor.  We want less government intrusion in our lives, not more.

[PB the Deplorable]

Remember, this whole thing was sold saying if we like our doctor we can keep him/her, if we like our insurance we can keep it, the average cost savings per family would be $2500 per year.

85% of Americans didn't support it.  Didn't believe the claims.  And guess what?

Maybe your politicians are trustworthy and put the interest of the people and the country above that of themselves and their fat-cat contributors, but over here they don't.

[Yorkshire pud]

US to Pud, and the rest of Europe: 

We don't like it.  We don't want it.  We want the issues with our healthcare insurance fixed, not the whole thing socialized.  We have plenty of government programs that cover the poor.  We want less government intrusion in our lives, not more.

We? You asked everyone after they were furnished with the facts rather than the biased rhetoric that supports your theory?  :

[albrecht]

Having insurance companies dictate who lives and dies based on their income/job status is a good thing? I see. You do know how insurance works don't you? They base their premiums on risk..So if you have an illness through no fault of your own and go to an insurance company, they'll charge you a premium based on how likely you'll need further treatment. Population thinning the way Shysters do it.

Incidentally 'Socialist' health is what the western world use, even Switzerland. And the USA has been consistently bottom of all the other countries that use it since forever. Ideology might make your eyes widen but its not a good thing when people can't be well.

All systems ration. It is just a matter of deciding who makes the rationing decision: the government, some company, your employer, or the individual. I could see a universal single-payer being a benefit to companies because it could take a lot of HR and costs away and allow the businesses to focus on business and not on health insurance for the employees. But I would suspect there would be, eventually, at least some kind of rationing end-of-life care (that is, 'let them die' if a certain age or condition) and provisions about 'lifestyle' provisions which makes some sense. If I'm buying your insurance I think you should stop smoking and loose weight because that is higher risk and you will use more tax payer resources than someone who is healthy (on average.)

Switzerland doesn't have single-payer, but a law that you must buy a minimum private health insurance which also has a deductible but the companies (supposedly) cannot make a profit on this basic insurance plan (they make this up by offering better coverage plans.) Holland has a mixed system (if you make a decent living you must buy private insurance, if you don't make money the State- subsidized by taxes and those who bought private- cover your costs.)

I'm not sure how any system can work with an open-border and a 'right' to healthcare by anyone for any reason though.

[albrecht]

We? You asked everyone after they were furnished with the facts rather than the biased rhetoric that supports your theory?  :

You liedwere misinformed about Swiss health system. Why should we believe you on the other matters?

[Yorkshire pud]

Remember, this whole thing was sold saying if we like our doctor we can keep him/her, if we like our insurance we can keep it, the average cost savings per family would be $2500 per year.

85% of Americans didn't support it.  Didn't believe the claims.  And guess what?

Maybe your politicians are trustworthy and put the interest of the people and the country above that of themselves and their fat-cat contributors, but over here they don't.

The NHS is not a new thing invented last week. Neither is it in France, Germany, Switzerland or Canada.

But if you like giving your money to insurance companies and phrama companies who make drugs up to ten times more expensive in the US than elsewhere, go ahead. They'll love you forever, one born every minute who likes to bend over and take it. 

[Yorkshire pud]

You liedwere misinformed about Swiss health system. Why should we believe you on the other matters?

As I said...

The NHS is not a new thing invented last week. Neither is it in France, Germany, Switzerland or Canada.

But if you like giving your money to insurance companies and phrama companies who make drugs up to ten times more expensive in the US than elsewhere, go ahead. They'll love you forever, one born every minute who likes to bend over and take it. 

[GravitySucks]

I don't know...weapons and erectile dysfunction meds sounds like a volatile combination. 

I am sure those are all the costs for active duty, retired and dependents. TriCare is a huge agency for healthcare.

I served 8 years. We don't need trannies in the service. Serving in the military is not a right. If we make it a right for trannies then we have to make it a right for obese people, right?