President Donald J. Trump

[Dr. MD MD]

McCain is a hawk when it comes to foreign policy and getting into wars but on other issues he is as leftist as any Democrat.

Which Democrats aren't hawks these days?! 

[starrmtn001]

LIVE: President Donald Trump hosts a Made in America Showcase Event at the White House 7-17-17.

https://youtu.be/rZhCOMtAlIo

The live stream hasn't started yet.  Should start about 3 PM Eastern Time.

[starrmtn001]

LIVE: President Donald Trump hosts a Made in America Showcase Event at the White House 7-17-17.

https://youtu.be/rZhCOMtAlIo

The live stream hasn't started yet.  Should start about 3 PM Eastern Time.

Okay.  Live stream just kicked in.

[Kidnostad3]

If the US continues down the road it is on, most of the politicians from the late 20th Century and early 21st Century will be deemed failures in the history books.  There are a sea of mediocrities and failures in DC now.  Hopefully Trump and some true conservatives in DC can turn it around but I doubt it.

I agree with you on the poor quality of our recent Presidents and lawmakers but how history will see the current generation of of American pols will depend a lot on the outcome of the political upheaval we are now experiencing. 

If the ongoing investigations are conducted on the up and up and produce findings that spare no wrongdoers and result in actual indictments, it could inspire a movement towards genuine reform of our political system.  It could even lead to the rise of a viable third party that would do well to base its platform on political reform and call itself the "Reform Party." (What a novel concept!)  If the investigations are seen to be merely pro forma drills intended to placate the public without unduly upsetting the status quo and politicians and government officials recieve any sort of special consideration or indulgences in investigatory or prosecutorial processees, it will trigger political and social turmoil in this country that will make all that has happened since 11/8/16 seem like a walk in the park. 

Ideally, in the first instance, honest, well intentioned and principled men and women will step forward and press for necessary reforms in our political system that are indicated by substance backed conclusions of investigations and their own good sense. Depending on their degree of ability and the efficacy of their efforts, some of these men and women will rise to prominence and go on to become legislators and statesman who historians will regard favorably.  In the last instance, the downward spiral of governance in this Country will continue and end with who knows who or what. 

[starrmtn001]

LIVE: President Donald Trump hosts a Made in America Showcase Event at the White House 7-17-17.

https://youtu.be/rZhCOMtAlIo

Starts at, about, 1:37:32.

[Lt.Uhura]

Starts at, about, 1:37:32.

Made in America?...uh, right.

Trump’s ‘Made in America’ week is a hypocritical joke

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/07/17/trumps-made-in-america-week-is-a-hypocritical-joke/

[Up All Night]

He's been an awful, destructive Senator for the most part - one of the Rinos who campaign as Conservatives at home then do the opposite in DC.  ''Oh, he's a ''Maverick'', doncha know''.  The worst he's done was create the ''Gang of 14'' during the Bush II years -when the Rs had a majority in the Senate 14 Senators from both parties formed the group supposedly to be the moderate arbiters of legislation and judicial confirmations.  Of course that always seemed to go in favor of the Democrats, effectively giving them control of the Senate. 

Hopefully he'll just die sometime in the next few days

To "Still" by the Geto Boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqAeVQB312E

[Lt.Uhura]

Trumpcare is DOA in the Senate. ⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️

The bill was doomed to fail by the divided GOP; conservative pricks who want even more cuts, and a growing number of Senators who are actually listening to their constituents and have grave concerns about the loss of essential health coverage for millions of Americans.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-two-more-republican-senators-oppose-1500340343-htmlstory.html

[Dr. MD MD]

Trumpcare is DOA in the Senate. ⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️

The bill doomed to failure by the divided GOP; conservative pricks who want even more cuts, and a growing number of Senators who are actually listening to their constituents and have grave concerns about the loss of essential health coverage for millions of Americans.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-two-more-republican-senators-oppose-1500340343-htmlstory.html

<insert chicken little meme>

[CozyRozie]

I agree with you on the poor quality of our recent Presidents and lawmakers but how history will see the current generation of of American pols will depend a lot on the outcome of the political upheaval we are now experiencing. 

If the ongoing investigations are conducted on the up and up and produce findings that spare no wrongdoers and result in actual indictments, it could inspire a movement towards genuine reform of our political system.  It could even lead to the rise of a viable third party that would do well to base its platform on political reform and call itself the "Reform Party." (What a novel concept!)  If the investigations are seen to be merely pro forma drills intended to placate the public without unduly upsetting the status quo and politicians and government officials recieve any sort of special consideration or indulgences in investigatory or prosecutorial processees, it will trigger political and social turmoil in this country that will make all that has happened since 11/8/16 seem like a walk in the park. 

Ideally, in the first instance, honest, well intentioned and principled men and women will step forward and press for necessary reforms in our political system that are indicated by substance backed conclusions of investigations and their own good sense. Depending on their degree of ability and the efficacy of their efforts, some of these men and women will rise to prominence and go on to become legislators and statesman who historians will regard favorably.  In the last instance, the downward spiral of governance in this Country will continue and end with who knows who or what.

Kidnostad3,
your romantic desires are grand indeed, (and deserve respect no question) but I'm afraid that America is way beyond that point long time ago.
The third party you are speaking of was already in America (actually it was the first party) -it was God, but He was kicked out,
he was lough out of the lives of majority of Americans, -so He humbly obeyed and He left.
And with Him leaving He left a void, void that was very quickly filled up with all kinds of Evil, and that Evil is still filling up that void left by God.
And more of the Evil is coming to visit America till America gets humbled completely and gets on it's knees and begs for forgiveness.

Take this to the Bank (...even to the Bank of America) !! 

P.S.
as I said before couple of times -it will end up with those FEMA Camps getting finally used as they were design to be used for...
Question is who will start using them -this President or the next ??

[PB the Deplorable]

Trumpcare is DOA in the Senate. ⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️

The bill doomed to failure by the divided GOP; conservative pricks who want even more cuts, and a growing number of Senators who are actually listening to their constituents and have grave concerns about the loss of essential health coverage for millions of Americans.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-two-more-republican-senators-oppose-1500340343-htmlstory.html

Good.  All this would have done is take Obama's name off this piece of garbage and turn it into something the Rs would then own.  It would be stupid to do that. 

And its not about 'cuts' or handouts or who gets more or less.  It should be about what's best for the people in this country who get up every morning, go to work, and pay for all this.  Those taking advantage and living off the system should get the leftover crumbs, if any. 

The way things have gone for 50+ years is the Ds get into office and ratchet up the handouts, the Rs get into office and accept the ratcheted up programs as the new normal instead of reversing them, the Ds get back into office and ratchet up the handouts again... until we have a $20+ Trillion national debt and $100+ Trillion more in unfunded liabilities, and no interest or ability by anyone to address any of it.

Meanwhile, the Ds tell their constituents to continue sitting on their asses, that all will be taken care of - just keep voting for them.  When it all collapses, these people will be left with no skills, no education, and no ability to fend for themselves.

[21st Century Man]

Another day has gone by and Trump is still President.

[21st Century Man]

Good.  All this would have done is take Obama's name off this piece of garbage and turn it into something the Rs would then own.  It would be stupid to do that. 

And its not about 'cuts' or handouts or who gets more or less.  It should be about what's best for the people in this country who get up every morning, go to work, and pay for all this.  Those taking advantage and living off the system should get the leftover crumbs, if any. 

The way things have gone for 50+ years is the Ds get into office and ratchet up the handouts, the Rs get into office and accept the ratcheted up programs as the new normal instead of reversing them, the Ds get back into office and ratchet up the handouts again... until we have a $20+ Trillion national debt and $100+ Trillion more in unfunded liabilities, and no interest or ability by anyone to address any of it.

Meanwhile, the Ds tell their constituents to continue sitting on their asses, that all will be taken care of - just keep voting for them.  When it all collapses, these people will be left with no skills, no education, and no ability to fend for themselves.

Ding, ding, ding!  I'm sick and tired of the do-nothing Republicans.

[PB the Deplorable]

Today's Miser repost from One Month Ago Today:

Anyone with any vision at all see's that the topmost priortity now is simply to exorcise the current U.S. government of as many of the demonic agents now infesting it as we can. From there, assessing and repairing the damages sustained during the barbarian sack of 2016, and refortifying against future intrusions, will be the next orders of buisness. Such a shameful waste -- fucking vandals!

[PB the Deplorable]

Ding, ding, ding!  I'm sick and tired of the do-nothing Republicans.

Oh, haven't you heard?  According to the Fake News Media, academia, Hollywood, and the rest of the filth among us, they're hard-core, extreme, racist Right-Wingers, almost Nazi-like in their zeal to suppress minorities and steal their ''entitlements''.

Apparently just this phony accusation alone, when repeated often enough, is enough to frighten them into doing nothing, if not working against those who would do set the country back on track.

[Lt.Uhura]

Good.  All this would have done is take Obama's name off this piece of garbage and have make it something the Rs would then own.  It was stupid to do that.

And it's not about 'cuts' or handouts or who gets more or less.  It should be about what's best for the people in this country who get up every morning, go to work, and pay for all this.  Those taking advantage and living off the system should get the left over crumbs, if any. 

The way things have gone for 50+ years is the Ds....

In the bigger picture, transcending party lines, is the issue of cutting essential health coverage from low-wage workers who will then be forced to use the ER for their healthcare needs. We've been there, done that, it failed, and you know this. Hospitals and clinics, especially rural ones, serving primarily poor Americans largely dependent on Medicaid & Medicare cannot survive with the GOP proposed cuts.

You're also fixated on the mythology of moochers and welfare queens, when in reality the poor across America largely represent millions of hard-working people who get up every day and go to work for wages that barely cover essentials like food, shelter, and transportation. Because our Capitalistic system is dependent on these low-wage workers, it is vital that we devise a system that includes affordable healthcare for them too.

Get out of your self-absorbed bubble, PB. Talk to the fast food worker serving you your Big Mac and ask him/her how they manage to survive in the Bay Area where the median price of a home is now half a million dollars. And don't stupidly suggest they move to a more affordable state, as there is already an exodus of service workers leaving California and your economy needs them to survive.

[Kidnostad3]

JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE:


"Th' One is the same asshole who last posted on BelGab as "NewStar."  He has a history of haunting and regularly getting kicked off various blogs at which time he goes back to one he has been banned from under a different name.  His pattern upon returning is to generate a flurry of posts wherein he shows some familiarity with BelGab and joins in the criticism of some posters as a way of gaining acceptance by others.  He also creates new threads that he shamelessly touts on established threads as if they were something he happened to stumble over.   

It seems that this troll wannabe is trying real hard to pass himself off as someone who knows something about the U.S. and to give the impression that he might even be an immigrant.  However,  his piss-poor English and inane commentary are a dead give away.  He has no real grasp of our idiomatic expressions or insight into our culture.  I doubt that he has ever been closer to the U.S. than the Russian or Eastern European shit hole he was born in.  His commentary quickly becomes bizarre and stridently hostile to things American and he invariably goes ape shit in responce to those of us who see him for the twisted fuck that he is with a string of expletives that no one outside of a psych ward would put together in any language. No doubt he sees himself as a troll but he really sucks at it and should stick to playing Pong or whatever video game is current in the aforementioned Russian or Eastern European shithole.

As mentioned, he last posted on BG as "NewStar" and was banned from BG around March 19th of this year.  Take a look at his posts on or around that date and you'll see why MV saw fit to eject him."

[paladin1991]

JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE:


"Th' One is the same asshole who last posted on BelGab as "NewStar."  He has a history of haunting and regularly getting kicked off various blogs at which time he goes back to one he has been banned from under a different name.  His pattern upon returning is to generate a flurry of posts wherein he shows some familiarity with BelGab and joins in the criticism of some posters as a way of gaining acceptance by others.  He also creates new threads that he shamelessly touts on established threads as if they were something he happened to stumble over.   

It seems that this troll wannabe is trying real hard to pass himself off as someone who knows something about the U.S. and to give the impression that he might even be an immigrant.  However,  his piss-poor English and inane commentary are a dead give away.  He has no real grasp of our idiomatic expressions or insight into our culture.  I doubt that he has ever been closer to the U.S. than the Russian or Eastern European shit hole he was born in.  His commentary quickly becomes bizarre and stridently hostile to things American and he invariably goes ape shit in responce to those of us who see him for the twisted fuck that he is with a string of expletives that no one outside of a psych ward would put together in any language. No doubt he sees himself as a troll but he really sucks at it and should stick to playing Pong or whatever video game is current in the aforementioned Russian or Eastern European shithole.

As mentioned, he last posted on BG as "NewStar" and was banned from BG around March 19th of this year.  Take a look at his posts on or around that date and you'll see why MV saw fit to eject him."

I really doubt that this freak has a pot to piss in but who knows? He may be making a killing in animal porn..
"Th' One is the same asshole who last posted on BelGab as "NewStar."  He has a history of haunting and regularly getting kicked off various blogs at which time he goes back to one he has been banned from under a different name.  His pattern upon returning is to generate a flurry of posts wherein he shows some familiarity with BelGab and joins in the criticism of some posters as a way of gaining acceptance by others.  He also creates new threads that he shamelessly touts on established threads as if they were something he happened to stumble over.   

It seems that this troll wannabe is trying real hard to pass himself off as someone who knows something about the U.S. and to give the impression that he might even be an immigrant.  However,  his piss-poor English and inane commentary are a dead give away.  He has no real grasp of our idiomatic expressions or insight into our culture.  I doubt that he has ever been closer to the U.S. than the Russian or Eastern European shit hole he was born in.  His commentary quickly becomes bizarre and stridently hostile to things American and he invariably goes ape shit in responce to those of us who see him for the twisted fuck that he is with a string of expletives that no one outside of a psych ward would put together in any language. No doubt he sees himself as a troll but he really sucks at it and should stick to playing Pong or whatever video game is current in the aforementioned Russian or Eastern European shithole.

As mentioned, he last posted on BG as "NewStar" and was banned from BG around March 19th of this year.  Take a look at his posts on or around that date and you'll see why MV saw fit to eject him."

I am given to understand that he is also a notorious homosexual who suxxs off sailors at gunpoint.  Beware shipmate, beware.

[CozyRozie]

JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE:
"Th' One is the same fascinating person that I'm secretly admiring and wish to become but my low IQ is on the way.

WoW,..Kidnostad3 -Thank you for your warm words.
Well as to your low IQ ...I can't help you with that buddy...you were just born that way my friend

[CozyRozie]

I am given to understand Kidnostad3 that he is also a notorious homosexual who suxxs off sailors at gunpoint.  Beware shipmate, beware.

Cheesy McSqueezy, thanks buddy for the warning -those cock suckers are so obnoxious and Kidnostad3 is one of the worst...

[Kidnostad3]

WoW,..Kidnostad3
.

DID I MENTION THAT:


"Th' One is the same asshole who last posted on BelGab as "NewStar."  He has a history of haunting and regularly getting kicked off various blogs at which time he goes back to one he has been banned from under a different name.  His pattern upon returning is to generate a flurry of posts wherein he shows some familiarity with BelGab and joins in the criticism of some posters as a way of gaining acceptance by others.  He also creates new threads that he shamelessly touts on established threads as if they were something he happened to stumble over.   

It seems that this troll wannabe is trying real hard to pass himself off as someone who knows something about the U.S. and to give the impression that he might even be an immigrant.  However,  his piss-poor English and inane commentary are a dead give away.  He has no real grasp of our idiomatic expressions or insight into our culture.  I doubt that he has ever been closer to the U.S. than the Russian or Eastern European shit hole he was born in.  His commentary quickly becomes bizarre and stridently hostile to things American and he invariably goes ape shit in responce to those of us who see him for the twisted fuck that he is with a string of expletives that no one outside of a psych ward would put together in any language. No doubt he sees himself as a troll but he really sucks at it and should stick to playing Pong or whatever video game is current in the aforementioned Russian or Eastern European shithole.

As mentioned, he last posted on BG as "NewStar" and was banned from BG around March 19th of this year.  Take a look at his posts on or around that date and you'll see why MV saw fit to eject him."

[CozyRozie]

DID I MENTION THAT:
"Th' One is hot hot hot 

OK, OK, Kidnostad3 relax man, I appreciate your affection but I'm into women only.
Maybe ask JesusJuice or mikuthing01 ...they like boyz... 

[Gd5150]

Good.  All this would have done is take Obama's name off this piece of garbage and turn it into something the Rs would then own.  It would be stupid to do that. 

And its not about 'cuts' or handouts or who gets more or less.  It should be about what's best for the people in this country who get up every morning, go to work, and pay for all this.  Those taking advantage and living off the system should get the leftover crumbs, if any. 

The way things have gone for 50+ years is the Ds get into office and ratchet up the handouts, the Rs get into office and accept the ratcheted up programs as the new normal instead of reversing them, the Ds get back into office and ratchet up the handouts again... until we have a $20+ Trillion national debt and $100+ Trillion more in unfunded liabilities, and no interest or ability by anyone to address any of it.

Meanwhile, the Ds tell their constituents to continue sitting on their asses, that all will be taken care of - just keep voting for them.  When it all collapses, these people will be left with no skills, no education, and no ability to fend for themselves.

Just a way of raising taxes on everyone with a job and hiding it. No one that supports Obamacare uses it. They have no experience with it. I have a friend who lost her job, her insurance is $2,000mo under Cobra. $2,000mo! Before Obamacare, $150mo. Thanks Obamacare. Idiots on the left speak from ignorance as always. No sense in acknowledging them directly. They're ignorant sheep.

Govt healthcare will fail by design. We will all have single payer shoved down our throats. The healthcare provided will be equal to the quality provided by DMV. The rich will go buy private healthcare and pay for both. Just like our failed public school industry.

[PB the Deplorable]

In the bigger picture, transcending party lines, is the issue of cutting essential health coverage from low-wage workers who will then be forced to use the ER for their healthcare needs. We've been there, done that, it failed, and you know this. Hospitals and clinics, especially rural ones, serving primarily poor Americans largely dependent on Medicaid & Medicare cannot survive with the GOP proposed cuts.

You're also fixated on the mythology of moochers and welfare queens, when in reality the poor across America largely represent millions of hard-working people who get up every day and go to work for wages that barely cover essentials like food, shelter, and transportation. Because our Capitalistic system is dependent on these low-wage workers, it is vital that we devise a system that includes affordable healthcare for them too.

Get out of your self-absorbed bubble, PB. Talk to the fast food worker serving you your Big Mac and ask him/her how they manage to survive in the Bay Area where the median price of a home is now half a million dollars. And don't stupidly suggest they move to a more affordable state, as there is already an exodus of service workers leaving California and your economy needs them to survive.

We've been all through all this multiple times, so no point in repeating it again here now, but let me know if you've forgotten.  The fixes are pretty obvious.  Your path leads to Venezuela

[Lt.Uhura]

Just a way of raising taxes on everyone with a job and hiding it. No one that supports Obamacare uses it. They have no experience with it. I have a friend who lost her job, her insurance is $2,000mo under Cobra. $2,000mo! Before Obamacare, $150mo. Thanks Obamacare. Idiots on the left speak from ignorance as always. No sense in acknowledging them directly. They're ignorant sheep.

Obviously you know nothing about COBRA, so below are some facts. COBRA has been around since the mid 80s and was meant to be temporary coverage when someone lost their job, so they wouldn't be left without health insurance. It has always been expensive, as the individual is expected to pay 100% (plus administrative costs) of their former employer's group plan.

In fact, the ACA was a welcome alternative to COBRA, which was previously the only choice for someone who'd lost their job and was unable to get individual coverage (remember the dark ages of pre-existing conditions?)

http://www.thestreet.com/story/13209871/1/should-you-buy-cobra-in-the-age-of-obamacare.html

[Lt.Uhura]

We've been all through all this multiple times, so no point in repeating it again here now, but let me know if you've forgotten.  The fixes are pretty obvious. Trump's incompetence leads to Venezuela.

FIFY

[GravitySucks]

Obviously you know nothing about COBRA, so below are some facts. COBRA has been around since the mid 80s and was meant to be temporary coverage when someone lost their job, so they wouldn't be left without health insurance. It has always been expensive, as the individual is expected to pay 100% (plus administrative costs) of their former employer's group plan.

In fact, the ACA was a welcome relief from COBRA, which was previously the only choice for someone who'd lost their job and was unable to get individual coverage (remember the dark ages of pre-existing conditions?)

http://www.thestreet.com/story/13209871/1/should-you-buy-cobra-in-the-age-of-obamacare.html

My COBRA was $450 per month with a $2500 deductible. When it ran out, the cheapest plan available to me in Texas was $960 per month with a $5000 deductible. Prior to the ACA, I could have gotten an individual policy for $400 per month with a $3000 deductible.

I went with one of the faith based health sharing networks for $200 per month. 3 years later and the benefits have already increased somewhat with no rise in monthly contributions.

[Lt.Uhura]

My COBRA was $450 per month with a $2500 deductible. When it ran out, the cheapest plan available to me in Texas was $960 per month with a $5000 deductible. Prior to the ACA, I could have gotten an individual policy for $400 per month with a $3000 deductible.

I went with one of the faith based health sharing networks for $200 per month. 3 years later and the benefits have already increased somewhat with no rise in monthly contributions.

It sounds like you were lucky to find an individual policy prior to the ACA, i.e. no pre-existing conditions.

My premium went down significantly after the ACA, saving me about $600/mo, and from a $6,000 deductible to no deductible (with a minimal co-pay per visit).

[WOTR]

FIFY

It's good to see you here, lieutenant.  I was just wondering a few days ago if this thread was destined to turn into an echo chamber... 

[Lt.Uhura]

It's good to see you here, lieutenant.  I was just wondering a few days ago if this thread was destined to turn into an echo chamber... 

Thanks, WOTR. Good to see you too 

Yes, the groupspeak is strong in here.