Billy Meier - Michael Horn

[MV/Liberace!]

People who bring up the subject of having relations with minors are vulgar impotent losers? That being the case... what are people who have actual sexual relationships with minors? People who have sex with minors must be much worse than vulgar impotent losers, right? That reminds me... Haven't you been in few short lived publicly known relationships with girls around 16-years old? If so, what does that make you? Please tell us more about how you having adult relationships with 16-year olds is assisting humanity.

Just like a cult leader to chastise all the unwashed masses for what they deem vulgar impotent thoughts. Yet Horns deeds upon minors are the exception. Quacks like a cult. Acts like a cult. It's a cult.

glad to see you around again, fucko.  no, seriously, glad you're around again.

[MichaelHorn]

Well you can thank your grandma for making you the, well, the...MV that you are today, or something, etc.

[Catsmile]

Still hiding behind the facades, faceless, clueless, envious, and utterly...impotent. Being "anonymous" doesn't protect one from having to face their own miserable, failed, pathetic choices, which have resulted in their being insignificant.

And even worse, the failure to recognize the imperviousness of those who continue to accomplish and fulfill their destiny.

Repeat that mantra ad nauseum. I'm sure it's very comforting for you. However that doesn't make it any more true today, whence its origin was first uttered. Cults are big on repeating mantras, it reinforces beliefs and behaviors.

Endlessly repeating themes or values and applying it to others, despite current topic is excepted as classical projection, and avoidance. Honestly your tactics are so transparent its painfully embarrassing.

Oblivious to reading the air around you. Impervious to recognizing yourself as the butt of the joke, you double down with pride and gusto. Everyone that is reading along is laughing at you. Schadenfreude pure and simple.

At least Billy literally single-handedly used his crafting and photography skills to accomplished his destiny. Becoming a leader in Hell, instead of being a follower in Heaven. Being a disciple of someone who can't keep their arm inside a moving bus, isn't all that impressive.

This destiny you so proudly tout is one of a simple follower. Followers are more common than grains of sand at the beach. Followers much like sand are swayed easily by the tides. Imprisoned and at the mercy of surging and waning philosophies, as they are carried away en masse; taking the path of least resistance.

Short lived adult relationships with teens isn't seen as much of an accomplishment, or as a fulfilling destiny to most well adjusted adults. Keep setting the bar for us Mr. Horn. As it makes the rest of us appear to shine much brighter.

Move over Falkie we've got a new kid in town.

[MichaelHorn]

Revealing your dysfunctional and inappropriate relationships is more info than anyone wants and, personally having no experience with such, the best I can do is suggest you make the best of your time here, with the other online heroes, concocting your goofy fables, seething with envy and obviously despising yourself more than anyone else would even care to.

I can't even imagine being so cowardly and pathetic as to reject one's own true identity.

[Yorkshire pud]

Still hiding behind the facades, faceless, clueless, envious, and utterly...impotent. Being "anonymous" doesn't protect one from having to face their own miserable, failed, pathetic choices, which have resulted in their being insignificant.

And even worse, the failure to recognize the imperviousness of those who continue to accomplish and fulfill their destiny.

You're denying you've had (are having) sexual relationships with teenage girls?  Yes or no.

[Yorkshire pud]

Revealing your dysfunctional and inappropriate relationships is more info than anyone wants and, personally having no experience with such, the best I can do is suggest you make the best of your time here, with the other online heroes, concocting your goofy fables, seething with envy and obviously despising yourself more than anyone else would even care to.

I can't even imagine being so cowardly and pathetic as to reject one's own true identity.

You truly are the thickest most deluded wanker ever (apart from Senda). No-one envys you. No-one. You are the joke.

[Catsmile]

Revealing your dysfunctional and inappropriate relationships is more info than anyone wants and, personally having no experience with such, the best I can do is suggest you make the best of your time here, with the other online heroes, concocting your goofy fables, seething with envy and obviously despising yourself more than anyone else would even care to.

I can't even imagine being so cowardly and pathetic as to reject one's own true identity.

Strange how you ignore the entire body of a post, and focus on only a single sentence therein.   

Confession is good for the soul. Pleiades continue my son.

[Camazotz Automat]

[PB the Deplorable]

Revealing your dysfunctional and inappropriate relationships is more info than anyone wants and, personally having no experience with such, the best I can do is suggest you make the best of your time here, with the other online heroes, concocting your goofy fables, seething with envy and obviously despising yourself more than anyone else would even care to.

... being so cowardly and pathetic as to reject one's own true identity.

I'd say you're being a bit hard on yourself, Mikey.  It's not really as bad as all that is it?  Just getting it out there had to make you feel better? 

Try to keep your nuts through all this, and stay away from the pudding.  Remember, it's Billy concocting the goofy tales, not you.

[MichaelHorn]

Here’s something new.

I think there’s no doubt that people here can be easily controlled, i.e. stimulated to launch attacks, etc., simply at the mere mention of “Meier", info from me, etc. So that part of the experiment is pretty conclusive.

Now I invite you to do the following:

1. Please state just WHY you launch these attacks against Meier, his evidence, information, prophecies, etc., of all people.

2. Keeping in mind that absolutely nothing has been asked of you, neither money, joining FIGU, believing anything, etc.,and that no one here is actually a qualified investigator, and/or has done any actual, comprehensive investigation into the case - and all that entails - what exactly is YOUR motivation for attacking a man you’ve never met and who’s neither done anything to, nor asked anything of, you?

3. State what actual EFFECT you’re trying to get, other than just venting for no reason, because you're bored, etc.

I’m not interested in arguing, attacking, defending, etc., just wanting to get your own reasons, motivation and…what you expect that this kind of expression accomplishes. I suggest leaving out things like “trying to protect people from being scammed, etc.” since there’s no evidence of any such thing, whether one agrees with the material or not.

I'd like to conclude this by Sunday night, October 2. I’ll ask any and all interested to then…vote on what they/you think is the best, most comprehensive response of those submitted. There are no restrictions on length of answers, language, etc. I’m just looking to get the best, most honest expression of the “reasoning” behind the attacks, etc.

The winner, as determined by you (unless no one wants to vote on it, in which case I’ll pick the winner) will actually receive a small but very nice prize. You won’t need to reveal your actual identity. The chosen winner will be notified by email here on how to obtain the prize, no tricks, games, or cost to you, just something for the…winner. Considering how often I’ve referred to people here as losers, actually acknowledging a winner would be a nice irony.

To reiterate, I won’t be arguing, defending, explaining anything, just gaining understanding about this phenomenon which, though it may not be known or obvious to some, is actually historically unique for a number of reasons.

[MV/Liberace!]

Being a disciple of someone who can't keep their arm inside a moving bus, isn't all that impressive.

heh heh

[aldousburbank]

You truly are the thickest most deluded wanker ever (apart from Senda). No-one envys you. No-one. You are the joke.

Yes, but so handsome.

[chefist]

Yes, but so handsome.

I'd have a beer with Mike...why not...

[aldousburbank]

I'd have a beer with Mike...why not...

The glare?

[chefist]

The glare?

Those Dean Martin aliens looked pretty hot...he might be able to hook a guy up! Pays to leave the door open, man...

[aldousburbank]

Those Dean Martin aliens looked pretty hot...he might be able to hook a guy up! Pays to leave the door open, man...

[chefist]

[MichaelHorn]

C'mon lads, don't be shy, this is an invitation for real venting, quality stuff, competitive. Spell it out, it can't be that difficult with...78 pages of practice.

[chefist]

C'mon lads, don't be shy, this is an invitation for real venting, quality stuff, competitive. Spell it out, it can't be that difficult with...78 pages of practice.

Mike...what's your wildest on the road story? no aliens, but normal debauchery? come on? what is it? we'd love to know...

[Yorkshire pud]

C'mon lads, don't be shy, this is an invitation for real venting, quality stuff, competitive. Spell it out, it can't be that difficult with...78 pages of practice.

Yeah, but where's the fun in pandering to your narcissism? No survey is really necessary, nor explanation to you why you're a scamming cult penis. You're a narcissist, and as such you ignore negativity (and like Senda, see any attention is good attention), and keep banging on and on with the same shit (just a different day);

I’m not interested in arguing, attacking, defending, etc.,

Quite.....you never debate nor argue your case; you certainly never address any criticism head on other than posting yet another link; (for example the basic massive flaw in Meier's story, in that he has models made from bin lids); you're either unfeasibly deluded, idiotic or a con man.

Your move.

[MV/Liberace!]

Quite.....you never debate nor argue your case; you certainly never address any criticism head on other than posting yet another link; (for example the basic massive flaw in Meier's story, in that he has models made from bin lids); you're either unfeasibly deluded, idiotic or a con man.

...and the dean martin girls, and the pterodactyl photo stolen from a book...  seems these items alone should be enough to think "rubbish" when you think billy meier.  horn's responses to these inconsistencies have been comprised of links i'm not going to read and convoluted logic that requires further belief in additional tall tales, inspiring thoughts of occam's razor. 

i've never seen horn concede he has no explanation for an inconsistency in the meier case.  everything can be explained away.  this alone is a red flag.  i'd have more respect for the whole thing if horn just said, "yeah, i can understand why these inconsistencies would make someone doubt."  instead, he just flings poop at you like a caged monkey.

[MH is a Liar]

i've never seen horn concede he has no explanation for an inconsistency in the meier case.  everything can be explained away.  this alone is a red flag.  i'd have more respect for the whole thing if horn just said, "yeah, i can understand why these inconsistencies would make someone doubt."  instead, he just flings poop at you like a caged monkey.

Bingo.

Actually, it is even worse than that (Bingoo?).  Not only will he not concede the patently obvious, he'll continually lie about the demonstrably false. 

I got a contest for you, Mikey.  Some pages back you said you had written an article discussing the evidence for the authenticity of letters Meier supposedly wrote in the 1950's.  Well, I asked you to produce that link about 13 times.  But since you assured us you never lie about the Meier evidence, surely you must have just overlooked these requests.

I will donate $100 through your website if you will post that link here. 

This will be the easiest money you have ever made, and it will also go a long way towards rehabilitating your reputation as a serial liar.  (Obviously the publication date of said article has to be pre-9/29/2016, you dirty rascal).

[MichaelHorn]

UNCLEAR ON THE CONCEPT

Fellas, the task at hand - if you’re actually capable and up for it - is basically to explain WHY you’ve chosen to attack Meier, almost entirely based on skeptical junk on the internet from people who, like EVERY one of you, have done no actual, credible research.

Considering how quickly y’all rise to venom, it should be a no-brainer (which also qualifies everyone here).

As for $100 pledges, since the “person” offering is an anonymous, non-existent, unverifiable entity I won’t take that offer seriously. Meier, on the other hand, is a real person with a stellar reputation for being truthful. And the same goes for me. Now while I’m actually trying to extract the essential motivation behind your irrational attacks, and offering a modest gift to the democratically determined winner, I’m a little dismayed that so far you’ve wasted your time with futile, long addressed attacks against the evidence and me.

Unfortunately, MV spills the beans on the level of actual scholarship here with his "links i'm not going to read" remark. You'll notice - if you do venture outside of this bubble, that actual intelligent people HAVE indeed taken the time to think through, understand and accept the rather detailed information, documentation, explanations, etc.

Now, if people here are honest enough to state that they DON'T KNOW WHY they do all this attacking, that would be fine. Of course to ask people who AREN'T honest enough to use their real names to be self-responsible, etc., may prove to be also futile.

P.S. As for addressing such "inconsistencies" as the 1958 letter, etc - which I have actually answered repeatedly in interviews, I'll be glad to do it - again - in/on a forum where each of you come forward with your real identities. Ooooo, that could be the deal breaker.

[Jackstar]

UNCLEAR ON THE CONCEPT

Who killed Kennedy?

[MH is a Liar]

As for $100 pledges, since the “person” offering is an anonymous, non-existent, unverifiable entity I won’t take that offer seriously.

How did I know you would say exactly this?

Meier, on the other hand, is a real person with a stellar reputation for being truthful. And the same goes for me.

This was  just an added bonus.  What is so creepy about all this is I think that somehow you really think you are honest, despite lying through your teeth in the immediately preceding sentence.

We really couldn't ask for a clearer confirmation that you are a psychotic sociopath.   

Not to beat a dead horse, but lest any reader still be unclear somehow about what has just transpired:  Michael, I will give you 100$ and post my name, birthday, and home address if you post the link to the article you say you have written.  Scouts honor. 

Cue the crickets... 

[MichaelHorn]

I never thought he would ask.

He first stated: "I got a contest for you, Mikey.  Some pages back you said you had written an article discussing the evidence for the authenticity of letters Meier supposedly wrote in the 1950's.  Well, I asked you to produce that link about 13 times.  But since you assured us you never lie about the Meier evidence, surely you must have just overlooked these requests.

I will donate $100 through your website if you will post that link here." 

And most recently: "Michael, I will give you 100$ and post my name, birthday, and home address if you post the link to the article you say you have written.  Scouts honor." 

Let's be very clear here so that there's no (deliberate) misunderstanding. I have stated that I've long explained the 1958 letter, not only in even greater detail in interviews but also online in at least one article. I've been asked to prove that I indeed did that. That request doesn't require that people agree with my explanation...although when I've explained it even more in depth, those who actually know how to think understood it quite well.

Here is the link to the requested article:

http://theyflyblog.com/2014/10/08/reasonable-doubt/

You can PayPal me: michael@theyfly.com

And I'm sure we're all looking forward to your also posting your "name, birthday, and home address". After all, you're also an honest person, right?

[MV/Liberace!]

UNCLEAR ON THE CONCEPT

Fellas, the task at hand - if you’re actually capable and up for it - is basically to explain WHY you’ve chosen to attack Meier, almost entirely based on skeptical junk on the internet from people who, like EVERY one of you, have done no actual, credible research.

because he submitted evidence stolen from the dean martin show and a book about dinosaurs.  no credibility.  again, if you can't understand why this would make people doubt, you're the one with the problem.

[MH is a Liar]

I'll make it a clearer further still.

Let's assume for the moment Michael did actually publish such an article, in which case he has two options:

OPTION 1 -- He could post the link to the article.   This would completely undo the damage of what had appeared to have been one of Micheal's most brazen lies on this forum.   It would also go a long way towards proving authenticity of Meier case, because if the there was indication the 50's letters were genuine, well...this would be strong evidence the case at large was genuine.  And at this point I would either have to reveal my identification and give you a 100$, or I would decline to do so and reveal myself as the lying coward you have repeatedly claimed I am.  It is a win win win win win for you.

OPTION 2 -- He could decline to post the link.  This would damage the Billy Meier case by revealing you have no evidence for the authenticity of those would-be amazing letters.  There is no plausible reason you would decline to post link if you have it; you would not pass go and collect $100, but would instead further confirm you are the liar I have been claiming you are.  It would be a lose lose lose lose for you.

Because this is the easiest decision in the history of decision making, surely you will post the link if you have one.  Yet, I predict you won't, because you don't.

And with that, I think I am going to leave you be in your fantasy land at this point, because I don't know how I could score a bigger checkmate than this.   And arguing with a psychotic sociopath is tiresome.

Oh, and I also predict Michael will fail to concede and apologize for this ongoing lie, and will also likely find some way to  insult me in the process of this failure...

Tell the Playdohians and the tooth fairy hi for me.  Buh-bye.

[MH is a Liar]

Well, obviously I didn't see your recent post before posting my most recent.


The problem of course is... this article does not at defend the authenticity of the 1950's letters.   Did you post the wrong link by accident?

[MichaelHorn]

As I stated:

"Let's be very clear here so that there's no (deliberate) misunderstanding."

Contained within the article is indeed the following (emphasis added):

"The 1958 Letter

However, it turns out though that Meier first foretold the discovery of two planets beyond Pluto in…1958 (number 46.) at which time he stated that they would be discovered after the new millennium. Let’s use common sense to consider what is now in evidence. We have two separate â€" copyrighted â€" books that specifically foretell the discovery of two planets beyond Pluto almost two decades before those discoveries were made. If we are unbiased we both accept and are a bit amazed at that information in its own right without even considering all of the rest of Meier’s already corroborated prophetic information.

So, logically we can accept that Meier actually first published that prophetic information 20 years earlier than is found in those two books, even though we don’t have the original 1958 document. And unless there is actual evidence to the contrary â€" not the usual completely unsubstantiated “he could have done this or that” theories â€" unless we have substantiated evidence of trickery, falsifications, hoaxing, lying, etc., in the exceptionally well documented, open and publicly accessible information about Meier’s past, we have to give him the “innocent until proven guilty” benefit of what really is no reasonable doubt."

Of course the implications of this are vastly more far reaching than even the planets beyond Pluto."

Nowhere was it stated that you had to have the honest, integrity, logical and reasoning skills to understand what actual researchers, investigators, detectives - even judges - have already demonstrated that they possess.

If you wish to keep dancing, so be it. But if you want to live up to YOUR part of the wager...you have my email address. And I think you're capable of entering your personal information here, since shaky hands don't affect the keyboard in the same way they do having to write, etc.

As for MV, perhaps he'd like to make a similar wager re the Asket photos, etc.? I'm in an accommodating mood and I don't mind being enriched for it.