Midnight In The Desert

[Jocko Johnson]

Plausible deniability?

Once a friend?
What happened not buds no more?

[Renegade Smurf]

A voice coach or whatever they're called would fix her pronunciation. When she sounded like she was spitting when she said her P's and B's really got under my skin. Heather, hold a piece of paper in front of your mouth. If it moves when you say P or B, your saying them wrong.

Did she ever learn to look up the words so she could pronounce them correctly?

[Metron2267]

I agree. Art did this consistently. HLW was still learning to do this. In her shows when she opened with a paranormal news segment which led to the guest, the atmosphere was set, and the show was 100% better.

Precisely, nice to hear from someone else who understood the value of the lead-in segment as a transition or bridge to the meat of the program.

[timebandit]

Hater

like..
What a nitpicker..

[Metron2267]

Did she ever learn to look up the words so she could pronounce them correctly?

Doh!

Maybe we send her a Thesaurus and "Hooked on Phonics" tape...

:

[timebandit]

A kingdom, a cuckshed, and a congratulations.

wow, guy has no shame

[GravitySucks]

A voice coach or whatever they're called would fix her pronunciation. When she sounded like she was spitting when she said her P's and B's really got under my skin. Heather, hold a piece of paper in front of your mouth. If it moves when you say P or B, your saying them wrong.

It just showed how poorly read she really was. Art quit school after the 10th grade but he had a much more worldly knowledge of current events, vocabulary, politics, and life in general. Was this because he read more, or because he didn’t smoke as much pot as some other people?

News and television/internet was certainly more widely available in Heather’s formative years than it was in Art’s.

[Dyna-X]

OK, fitting the pieces together. I've heard PurpleDave and today Dave mentioned grapes, which in the days of Roman hedonism were purple.

Could purple become a visual identity for Dave? Purple skies above KNYE, grapes, tidepods, purple ghosts and UFOs, and the purple RE-20....you get the idea.

[PrairieGhost]

So now that she has renamed her show, that means the streams aren't crossed anymore right? She has her own thread?

[ItsOver]

OK, fitting the pieces together. I've heard PurpleDave and today Dave mentioned grapes, which in the days of Roman hedonism were purple.

Could purple become a visual identity for Dave? Purple skies above KNYE, grapes, tidepods, purple ghosts and UFOs, and the purple RE-20....you get the idea.

Paisley Park is in Minnesota.  Dave could get a do and a purple ride.

[zeebo]

I LIKE Dave a LOT so far as a person, but listening to him, is a bit like listening to the evening news to my ears. He doesn't create any atmosphere, other than that of sitting in a recording studio IMO.  I don't mind that,  if the topic and/or the guest is interesting.

I like that Dave is inquisitive and asks intelligent questions, but from what I've heard his style is a bit more like a hard-boiled reporter than a freewheeling explorer of the fringe.  This works well with more down-to-earth guests, and I've enjoyed several of those interviews.  But for more esoteric/speculative/controversial topics I think he gets a little resistant when encountering imprecise answers or a story that doesn't adds up. 

I understand he prefers to hold his guests accountable to some level of reality, and alot of folks here like the tough questions.  But like you brig, for evening radio I enjoy venturing into parts unknown with a little more suspension-of-disbelief.  I don't really need a guest's wild claims held to some high level of scrutiny, that's not why I'm listening - I can figure out if they're a kook or not myself lol.  In any case, I may not be all-in with Dave but I'm glad we've got a pro in the mix and I'll definitely be tuning in for certain types of shows.

[Bluejay]

OK, fitting the pieces together. I've heard PurpleDave and today Dave mentioned grapes, which in the days of Roman hedonism were purple.

Could purple become a visual identity for Dave? Purple skies above KNYE, grapes, tidepods, purple ghosts and UFOs, and the purple RE-20....you get the idea.

[Metron2267]

It just showed how poorly read she really was. Art quit school after the 10th grade but he had a much more worldly knowledge of current events, vocabulary, politics, and life in general. Was this because he read more, or because he didn’t smoke as much pot as some other people?

News and television/internet was certainly more widely available in Heather’s formative years than it was in Art’s.

You make an interesting observation in terms of how we consumer information, how much of it sticks, and the impact mass media has on our world view.

Having grown up with print media and then witnessing the transition to virtual I can only anecdotally report that I think an actual physical book is far superior tp reading on a Kindle for instance.

There's something about being able to flip back and forth easily and take the time to re-read and absorb that favors print.

How such a virtual world impacts Heather's intellect would be pure speculation...

[Father Jack]

OK, fitting the pieces together. I've heard PurpleDave and today Dave mentioned grapes, which in the days of Roman hedonism were purple.

Could purple become a visual identity for Dave? Purple skies above KNYE, grapes, tidepods, purple ghosts and UFOs, and the purple RE-20....you get the idea.

Don't forget to include snorting purple condoms. I understand it's all the rage among brain-stems who haven't killed themselves chowing on tide pods or setting themselves on fire.

[GravitySucks]

OK, fitting the pieces together. I've heard PurpleDave and today Dave mentioned grapes, which in the days of Roman hedonism were purple.

Could purple become a visual identity for Dave? Purple skies above KNYE, grapes, tidepods, purple ghosts and UFOs, and the purple RE-20....you get the idea.

Purple sage and purple haze

[Renegade Smurf]

Interesting thoughts. I'm listening to the C2C archives, and the difference btween Art and HLW at the same age is incredible. I believe that when Art started to make it big with C2C in the mid 1990s, he was the same age as HLW is now. Art sounded knowledgeable even then, and HLW sounds like an adult kid. I'm curious to know how Art got so good while HLW is the way she is. A late start?

It just showed how poorly read she really was. Art quit school after the 10th grade but he had a much more worldly knowledge of current events, vocabulary, politics, and life in general. Was this because he read more, or because he didn’t smoke as much pot as some other people?

News and television/internet was certainly more widely available in Heather’s formative years than it was in Art’s.

[timebandit]

Did she ever learn to look up the words so she could pronounce them correctly?

omg

[Jocko Johnson]

http://kingdomofnyeradio.com

Out foxed again by the Master BART ELL!!!

[Dyna-X]

Re: Purple
If he ever does get to commercial bumpers - Deep Purple - Chasing Shadows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug1fmP_y-rs

[WeinerInHand]

Interesting to read what people want or expect from a show or it's host.

If you only knew how may emails and comments I get about,
" Just get to the guest, nobody tunes in to hear the host blather on or try to paint a mental picture for an audience. Let the guest shine and if they are strong they will get us to where we want to go. Just just up and guide, don't insert yourself."

For the record, it is 11pm to 2am when I broadcast, from my home studio, all alone, with one single bulb illuminating my night. So it is Midnight for me....and although I do not live in the desert our show originated and it's cornerstone station is there.

As far as the way I host, I try to show respect for the topics and guests. Solid guests are often retisent to do shows like ours for fear of being ridiculed, treated tongue in cheek like most main stream media.

To let ones Hair Down, one must have hair. Lol

But in all seriousness, when we cut loose on Darkness Radio we get compared to college radio and told to act more polished, professional.  Again, a case of half the people want it one way, half a totally different way.

It's funny as I read how much people disliked Heather or her hosting then get told that they prefer the way she hosted and her "trainwreck" approach.

The good thing is, we coexist. If you like train wreck radio you have a place to go for it, if you want some one to treat the topics with respect, prepared and able to move a 3 hour conversation without the need to cry, seek pity or blather on about cats and treat listeners with respect even when we disagree, then you have a show for that too.

I will continue to read constructive criticism and make adjustments where I can.

Thanks to all of you for your collective patience and general sense of support.

Truthfully I wish people would move past the title of the show and appreciate the program on the whole, escapism from every day topics covered every where else. It shouldn't matter if it's Midnight in the Desert or Midday at the Beach. Most people listen during the day anyway to replay.

This is the show title...it is what it is...I guess I can try to sound more insane and gravelly voiced, bit it seems all that will lead to is complaints for sounding like Art and Heather.

I wonder if this is how Schizophrenia starts? Lol

DS

I think you're doing a great job so far!

However (and since you asked), a gravelly voice would be appreciated, if you could work that in.
Also, Heater let's callers do "other" things while speaking to her on air.
What are your thoughts on such active audience participation?

Sincerely,
Weiner in Hand

[Lilith]

Interesting essay on what works and why.

I still think that a staple of both Art's MITD and George's Coast that might work in setting the mood is a paranormal news segment to lead in with.

I know Leo Ashcraft caught some grief for his vocal style, but the difference in voice, cadence, the element of surprise at how he pronounces certain words, it all lent the initial MITD a certain flavor. Amy Martin was acceptable also.

Just a thought...

Here I've been thinking for ages, that I was the only one that thought Leo and Amy added something to MITD...   

[Jocko Johnson]

So then, is she going to go all satanic on our asses?

Padre, we will be needing ur protection.

[Metron2267]

Interesting thoughts. I'm listening to the C2C archives, and the difference btween Art and HLW at the same age is incredible. I believe that when Art started to make it big with C2C in the mid 1990s, he was the same age as HLW is now. Art sounded knowledgeable even then, and HLW sounds like an adult kid. I'm curious to know how Art got so good while HLW is the way she is. A late start?

A VERY late start in fact.

Art was spinning records for AFRTS in Okinawa when he was 20, iirc - from there he stayed active in the business and also was a ham radio savant to boot.

You insights are sound again - HLW does sound like a bit of an adult kid.

But that naivety is a part of her charm in that you know it's not faked.

[Bluejay]

Don't forget to include snorting purple condoms. I understand it's all the rage among brain-stems who haven't killed themselves chowing on tide pods or setting themselves on fire.

[Lilith]

I like that Dave is inquisitive and asks intelligent questions, but from what I've heard his style is a bit more like a hard-boiled reporter than a freewheeling explorer of the fringe.  This works well with more down-to-earth guests, and I've enjoyed several of those interviews.  But for more esoteric/speculative/controversial topics I think he gets a little resistant when encountering imprecise answers or a story that doesn't adds up. 

I understand he prefers to hold his guests accountable to some level of reality, and alot of folks here like the tough questions.  But like you brig, for evening radio I enjoy venturing into parts unknown with a little more suspension-of-disbelief.  I don't really need a guest's wild claims held to some high level of scrutiny, that's not why I'm listening - I can figure out if they're a kook or not myself lol.  In any case, I may not be all-in with Dave but I'm glad we've got a pro in the mix and I'll definitely be tuning in for certain types of shows.

I agree.  For some guests who have been around a while, I will enjoy listening to Dave put them through the wringer.  I would just enjoy it MORE, if Dave slowed down, and sounded a bit more relaxed.  At first, I thought he sounded fast because he was understandably nervous.  Now, I realize this is just his style. Very professional, and a very nice man. This is why I plan to stay subscribed.  I don't for a moment believe that any host can be just my cup of tea every night.  Honestly, I was surprised as anyone to find myself enjoying Heathers show last night.  As it is right now, I enjoy listening to BOTH shows, and keeping track of which show I liked best each night. 

[MaxPower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUQ2WGA8mJQ

Bellgab and their war on Heather explained.

Nuff said.

As legendary newscaster Walter Cronkite would say at the end of a broadcast: "And that's the way it is."

[Metron2267]

Here I've been thinking for ages, that I was the only one that thought Leo and Amy added something to MITD...   

Lol, glad to know I'm not the only one...

Another voice that would sound great in a paranormal news segment is Brian Alvarez, but I think he's still tied up with "Dragon King Dark"...

Reads a fine ghost story though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT1IWYulT3A

...starts in at 1:15....

[DarKPenguiN]

Interesting thoughts. I'm listening to the C2C archives, and the difference btween Art and HLW at the same age is incredible. I believe that when Art started to make it big with C2C in the mid 1990s, he was the same age as HLW is now. Art sounded knowledgeable even then, and HLW sounds like an adult kid. I'm curious to know how Art got so good while HLW is the way she is. A late start?

I think thats probably a very complex situation.

For one, the barrier to entry back then was insanely high and difficult- With very few being able to make it in radio and a system of gatekeeping that separated the wheat from the chaff... By the time someone had made a career in radio and was middle aged- They would have to be head and shoulers above the competition. And Art was.

Would Art have "made it" in todays world. Probably not... He would have quickly realized that the reward isnt really there anymore and pursued something more lucrative. I'm certain alot of real potential talent is lost because now that the barrier to entry is so low (as in anyone can have an internet radio show) and the competition for actually making a buck is so high (you are competing against anyone with an internet connection) and the competition so fierce- Most with Arts talent would move on to something else and we are left with the Veras of the world who arent really making money doing this but are seeking something else (e-fame? Idk...Its beyond me)

The internet has changed everything- Its also made competition for entertainment dollars a blood fest. The people pursuing 'radio' these days are dreaming of a career (that will probably not happen and will end up being a beg-a-thon for a few bucks to make rent) but quickly see that its not going to happen- So the smart ones (like Bell) probably move on and we are left with the ones who lack real talent...I'm generalizing too and not trying to tar everyone with a broad brush but overall that is the case.

Bell came on the scene when nobody was broaching this subject matter- There were still gatekeepers- People like "us" (bell fans) didnt have 24/7 acess to all the entertainment we wanted on demand. Every person (who at the time hadnt been completely debunked) involved in the fringe was lining up to get on his show and he could pick and choose the best of the best.

The time and place was a perfect storm.

fast forward to today and I can google a subject that interests me (say Cryptozoology) and have on demand radio about that one subject that will last me for years and years and years. I can download audiobooks for very cheap and my entertainment choices are limitless- In the mid 90s theres Bell for fringe topics.

So the people getting into this today either quickly realize they are going to be lost in the shuffle, work really hard and make little to no money OR they move on. So the ones that stay in this 'business' are seeking something different for the most part and by proxy are not going to be in the same league as what we had in the past.

Its an interesting discussion.

[Father Jack]

I think thats probably a very complex situation.

For one, the barrier to entry back then was insanely high and difficult- With very few being able to make it in radio and a system of gatekeeping that separated the wheat from the chaff... By the time someone had made a career in radio and was middle aged- They would have to be head and shoulers above the competition. And Art was.

Would Art have "made it" in todays world. Probably not... He would have quickly realized that the reward isnt really there anymore and pursued something more lucrative. I'm certain alot of real potential talent is lost because now that the barrier to entry is so low (as in anyone can have an internet radio show) and the competition for actually making a buck is so high (you are competing against anyone with an internet connection) and the competition so fierce- Most with Arts talent would move on to something else and we are left with the Veras of the world who arent really making money doing this but are seeking something else (e-fame? Idk...Its beyond me)

The internet has changed everything- Its also made competition for entertainment dollars a blood fest. The people pursuing 'radio' these days are dreaming of a career (that will probably not happen and will end up being a beg-a-thon for a few bucks to make rent) but quickly see that its not going to happen- So the smart ones (like Bell) probably move on and we are left with the ones who lack real talent...I'm generalizing too and not trying to tar everyone with a broad brush but overall that is the case.

Bell came on the scene when nobody was broaching this subject matter- There were still gatekeepers- People like "us" (bell fans) didnt have 24/7 acess to all the entertainment we wanted on demand. Every person (who at the time hadnt been completely debunked) involved in the fringe was lining up to get on his show and he could pick and choose the best of the best.

The time and place was a perfect storm.

fast forward to today and I can google a subject that interests me (say Cryptozoology) and have on demand radio about that one subject that will last me for years and years and years. I can download audiobooks for very cheap and my entertainment choices are limitless- In the mid 90s theres Bell for fringe topics.

So the people getting into this today either quickly realize they are going to be lost in the shuffle, work really hard and make little to no money OR they move on. So the ones that stay in this 'business' are seeking something different for the most part and by proxy are not going to be in the same league as what we had in the past.

Its an interesting discussion.

Ready, set....everyone lower your expectations to avoid disappointment!

[kidshare]

And there you are.