20150825 - Peter Robbins - Live Chat Thread

[boilingpitsofsewage]

Yes it is simply too small a community to be this divided, it already suffers from ridicule without stabbing itself in the back, this has been a serious problem for Years and it is getting worse, much less civility. Yes I could have given him the boot but I kept hoping he would get the idea that I was not going for the attack stuff and start talking about the event itself as he indicated in the pre show material, hell we posted a ton of pictures at his request and I could only get him to mention one. He had other things on his mind.

Art

Art I am far too drunk this evening but I will download it tomorrow and give a full report. General Jameson is working on it as we speak.

[RoseGirl]

It really is sad to watch them devour one another in a desperate grab for a slice of that very finite pie... but, none the less, I do have to admit to just a little bit of schadenfreude while watching...

Ah, go hang out in Bella-haven, ya sissy!

sorry...couldn't resist. (feels the appropriate amount of shame).

[Lt.Uhura]

I wonder if some of these less than credible guests are calling Art unsolicited and inviting themselves on the show, with promises of worthwhile information.  One quick and easy method to see if a guest is worthy for Art's show is to simply Google potential guest's name together with the names George Noory and Alex Jones.  Both of tonight's guests have multiple connections, YT, etc. to those inferior hosts>Red flags.

[BellBoy]

Ah, go hang out in Bella-haven, ya sissy!

sorry...couldn't resist. (feels the appropriate amount of shame).

Tease me again and I'll hit you with my purse!

[SredniVashtar]

I'll have to get around to hearing this soon, sounds like a bit of an unmissable car crash. The Peter Robbins I have heard usually comes across as a personable nice guy, if a bit of a blowhard who loves the sound of his own voice. He worked with Budd Hopkins (and they are both from a similar artistic background) so he's heavily into the abduction stuff, and also does a lot of work on Wilhelm Reich.  It would be hard to imagine him and RCH in the same room without the universe exploding from self-importance, but he's never come across as a total dick before, though I can vaguely recall someone saying once that he had a bit of a hissy fit over someone questioning his research, but I don't know much more than that. Talk to most people in the field and they will say that he is one of the nice guys, so maybe he was just having a bad day. It happens.

I think the problem with ufology researchers is that they hit a brick wall after a while and end up bitterly defending their ideas against all comers without engaging in any real dialogue or trying  to learn anything new. They reach a stage where they think they know it all and everyone else is a prick and a hater, even if they ask innocent questions. If this rumpus came out of Rendlesham then I guess it is probably because it sounds so evidently like bullshit and part of a test to assess soldiers rather than some alien landing.

The UFO field is stuffed with nutters and shut-ins and outright liars. I think Art might enjoy looking at other theories that lie outside the simple 'little green men' hypothesis. I hope Art does a show on the whole 'trickster' thing, for instance. The more I hear men with beards wittering  on about crash sites and trace evidence the less interesting I find it, and there are plenty of alternative ideas out there that are worthy of exploration.

[Herbn-Legend]

Totally agree, Art. The community needs to grow up a lot. I can completely understand the frustration.

hahahahahahahahaha watever😒brown nozer. Geeeez get a life

[Herbn-Legend]

Yes it is simply too small a community to be this divided, it already suffers from ridicule without stabbing itself in the back, this has been a serious problem for Years and it is getting worse, much less civility. Yes I could have given him the boot but I kept hoping he would get the idea that I was not going for the attack stuff and start talking about the event itself as he indicated in the pre show material, hell we posted a ton of pictures at his request and I could only get him to mention one. He had other things on his mind.

Art

EGO. IDIOTZ. seemz to b the problem of every community. 

[Hells Mole]

The thing about it is, if he had not gone on about these personal issues I would never have known a thing about it.  I would have just listened to Art interview a relatively well-spoken fellow about an interesting UFO-related incident. 

Now instead of thinking of that guest as a guy who brings curious info about curious incidents I'm afraid I now think of him as the guy who complains about other people.  Sadly he may be the victim of some foul play but it would have better if he kept it in his writing or on his site or in a book for people for whom that drama would have some meaning, but by preaching it to people who know nothing about it, it doesn't come out well for him.

I reviewed the photos on MITD in preparation for the listen and was rather disappointed that he kept going on about personal issues which I know absolutely nothing about and don't seem poignant to discussing the incident and new evidence.  A three-person round table bash-fest would be amusing I guess if Art wanted to do a Jerry Springer of UFOlogists type of show.  The problems he was bringing up just seemed so personal that they weren't relatable to me
as the dope listener trying to think about a supposedly fascinating incident.

On the plus side, hearing Art get stern with a guest is always fun.

[ItsOver]

Art had far more patience with the clown last night than I did.  I gave up somewhere after the first half hour.  It was like listening to some old dingbat meander around the light pole forever and never getting to what should have been the topic. 

"No, Gertrude.   I don't need to know about Mildred's cousin's and what they had for dinner last night!"

[Hells Mole]

Art had far more patience with the clown last night than I did.  I gave up somewhere after the first half hour.  It was like listening to some old dingbat meander around the light pole forever and never getting to what should have been the topic. 

"No, Gertrude.   I don't need to know about Mildred's cousin's nephew and what they had for dinner last night!"

I don't know how he does it.. some kind of natural gift or talent.. but no matter how lame a guest is, Art makes it a good listen.  Basically the polar opposite of the other show where no matter how interesting the guest is the host ruins it.  I don't think people generally consider talking to people to be one of the arts- you know like painting, music, etc. but sometimes due to passion and whatever else certain people take something not normally considered an art and turn it into just that.  Like how Steve Prefontaine elevated running into something greater, inspiring.

I may not have learned much about Rendalsham, which I probably did not even spell right, but I learned some in how to deal with people and how NOT to go about airing my personal hurt or grievances to others.

[Chronaut]

I know plenty about the case, a better question is why didn't my Guest talk about the case instead of bash others? I tried again and again to talk about the case, he didn't want that, what Universe are you in?

I'm sorry Art - I shouldn't have suggested that you didn't sound familiar with this case; that was my fault.  I just heard the fist segment again and I realized that I was grabbing a late coffee at the cafe when you started the interview so I missed your opening comments about Rendlesham's importance and liking "Left at East Gate" - and I totally forgot about the segments you'd done with Linda about it years ago.  Peter was so focused on his personal gripes throughout the rest of the show, the part that I did hear carefully, that neither of you got to talk about the incident itself.  I'd love to hear from the first-hand witnesses while they're still around - maybe we could have them on sometime and really dig deep.

[Quick Karl]

I believe that Art was hittin the bong last night and, therefore, he let the guest go on FAR too long with the personal stuff (even though the guest sounded like he was genuine and trying to right a perceived wrong), and then Art lost his patience and blamed it on the guest.

Art should have found a polite way, early on, to steer the show back to something more enjoyable, rather than belittle the guy near the end.

Put that God-damned bong the fuck away, for Christ's sake!

[ItsOver]

I don't know how he does it.. some kind of natural gift or talent.. but no matter how lame a guest is, Art makes it a good listen.  Basically the polar opposite of the other show where no matter how interesting the guest is the host ruins it....

Yes.  Art is one of a kind.  I hung on longer than I normally would have just to listen to Art.

Oh, well.  On to the next show.  Them's the breaks. 

[Meister_000]

It was clear you were trying to steer him back on-topic but he kept circling back to his grievances.  Thanks for trying - we in the listening audience appreciated the effort!  Also was cool you gave him the instant wormhole feedback. 

Echo this.  I just listened to the whole thing and very early-in Art was already trying to curb and check this guy, and continued to do so till the end.  Art's still fundamentally and instinctively too nice to give someone the full boot mid-show (apparently) but short of that, handing him over finally to "the wolves" (callers) seems fair-enough game to me. Art was clearly exasperated from having to repeat himself over and over again and still the guest was just not getting it! It seemed to evolve or devolve  into one of those "in for a dime, in for a dollar" may as well ride this one out. And that is, after all, what he promised -- "a ride".

[AceAzzameen]

I've always respected Art for sharing his mind with his guests, no matter who they are. Its his show and if the guest doesn't like it... GET THE HELL OUT! I like when frauds and dolts like this in the UFO/paranormal community are exposed.

[chefist]

It's odd that Art knows so little about such a major case.

I know plenty about the case, a better question is why didn't my Guest talk about the case instead of bash others? I tried again and again to talk about the case, he didn't want that, what Universe are you in?

[Uncle Duke]

I'll have to get around to hearing this soon, sounds like a bit of an unmissable car crash. The Peter Robbins I have heard usually comes across as a personable nice guy, if a bit of a blowhard who loves the sound of his own voice. He worked with Budd Hopkins (and they are both from a similar artistic background) so he's heavily into the abduction stuff, and also does a lot of work on Wilhelm Reich.  It would be hard to imagine him and RCH in the same room without the universe exploding from self-importance, but he's never come across as a total dick before, though I can vaguely recall someone saying once that he had a bit of a hissy fit over someone questioning his research, but I don't know much more than that.  Talk to most people in the field and they will say that he is one of the nice guys, so maybe he was just having a bad day. It happens.

I think the problem with ufology researchers is that they hit a brick wall after a while and end up bitterly defending their ideas against all comers without engaging in any real dialogue or trying  to learn anything new. They reach a stage where they think they know it all and everyone else is a prick and a hater, even if they ask innocent questions. If this rumpus came out of Rendlesham then I guess it is probably because it sounds so evidently like bullshit and part of a test to assess soldiers rather than some alien landing.

The UFO field is stuffed with nutters and shut-ins and outright liars. I think Art might enjoy looking at other theories that lie outside the simple 'little green men' hypothesis. I hope Art does a show on the whole 'trickster' thing, for instance. The more I hear men with beards wittering  on about crash sites and trace evidence the less interesting I find it, and there are plenty of alternative ideas out there that are worthy of exploration.

As I pointed out previously, Robbins has been hammering Nick Pope and Col Halt for over a year now on a number of shows.  What we heard last night was nothing new, and was why I was able to post even before the interview began in earnest Robbins was going to trash Pope.  I made a similar statement coming out of the break at the top of the hour (2am Eastern) relative to Halt, it was to be the same old, same old for Robbins.

I had pretty much quit listening to shows featuring Robbins, he no longer wanted to talk about Rendlesham but rather to talk about others who talked about Rendlesham.  He reminded me of a politician in a debate, no matter what question he was asked, he steered his answer to the agenda he wanted to further.  I get standing up for one's self, but he's become obsessive to the point of the manic episode we heard last night.  It's quite sad really.

[ziznak]

Well, although I was kinda mad that the guest turned out to be a little girly man I found Art's responses and handling of the situation superb.  There was nothing Art could do.  He did his best to steer the guest in the right direction but alas... you can only lead a horse to the water.... when he doesn't drink you let loose the callers!!!

[chefist]

I had pretty much quit listening to shows featuring Robbins, he no longer wanted to talk about Rendlesham but rather to talk about others who talked about Rendlesham.  He reminded me of a politician in a debate, no matter what question he was asked, he steered his answer to the agenda he wanted to further.  I get standing up for one's self, but he's become obsessive to the point of the manic episode we heard last night.  It's quite sad really.

The Michael Horn of Rendlesham...egos clashing...so tedious...

[SredniVashtar]

As I pointed out previously, Robbins has been hammering Nick Pope and Col Halt for over a year now on a number of shows.  What we heard last night was nothing new

Well, it was all new to me. I never knew he had become so obsessed with Pope and Halt. Whenever I had heard him in the past my main feeling was that he came across as a bit too bland. There is a thing that some UFO researchers have about always referring to other people in the field as 'my friend' (Dolan does that far too much) and Robbins was always wanting to show everyone how chummy he was with everybody else. It looks like that's all changed now. I think there is a point in this subject (if you can call it that) where you have to bail and do something else or you just go bloody nuts. Either that or you become a slightly pitiful marginal figure like Friedman.

[DynamoHum]

I'm listening to the show right now. I feel for Art, I was so looking forward to the show and the guest was railroading it and I'm guessing this guy won't be invited back on. I hope not.

Butthurt live on air is never fun to listen to.

[chefist]

Ok, finally finished listening to the show. Here's my take...

Professional writers. investigators, journalists, etc never make themselves part of the story.  That is exactly what this person is trying to do.  Whether it is ego based or strategic, it is not what the public wants to hear.  At this point it sounds like disgruntled nerds fighting over which is better, Star Wars or Star Trek. 

I feel just like what the callers and wormhole notes said, "stick to the story"! The story and those in the story are what is interesting, not the personal conflicts involved.  IMO.... Heck, this Robbins guy should have dove into the pictures and the fact the fuzzy image generally looked like the drawings from the actual incident! Now THAT is interesting!

[ZomZom]

After listening to Peter Robbins for two hours I still don't know what his story is regarding Rendlesham.  He's very detail oriented but he can't prioritize the essential elements needed to tell his tale concisely.  I suspect he might have an important case to make regarding disinformation but his trees-without-a-forest rambling is such a painful listen I almost don't care.

As for the unfairness of a guest making accusations with no opportunity for rebuttal, I fealt that's what happened during the Jim Sanders/Bill Birnes show regarding TWA 800.  It wasn't as personal as this show's attacks but there are plenty of people involved in those events who shouldn't have been so maligned without the chance to respond then and there.

[Robert]

Bateman ( Steve Warner) has been saying the same thing, that and hoaxes are ruining any chance the UFO community has at getting wider acceptance.

John Keel said more or less the same.

I went to bed before the last 2 hrs. last night, now glad I did.

[Robert]

The UFO field is stuffed with nutters and shut-ins and outright liars. I think Art might enjoy looking at other theories that lie outside the simple 'little green men' hypothesis. I hope Art does a show on the whole 'trickster' thing, for instance. The more I hear men with beards wittering  on about crash sites and trace evidence the less interesting I find it, and there are plenty of alternative ideas out there that are worthy of exploration.

For that he should have George Hansen.  I don't know if C2C has the lock on Vallee.

[Uncle Duke]

Well, it was all new to me. I never knew he had become so obsessed with Pope and Halt. Whenever I had heard him in the past my main feeling was that he came across as a bit too bland. There is a thing that some UFO researchers have about always referring to other people in the field as 'my friend' (Dolan does that far too much) and Robbins was always wanting to show everyone how chummy he was with everybody else. It looks like that's all changed now. I think there is a point in this subject (if you can call it that) where you have to bail and do something else or you just go bloody nuts. Either that or you become a slightly pitiful marginal figure like Friedman.

I actually came close to making that analogy in my previous post.  Friedman spends the better part of any interview he does these days attacking others, be they skeptics, experiencers, or even ufologists who have a different take than his own on Roswell.  Ironically, I agree with Friedman on some of those people he rails against (Lazar and Corso come readily to mind), but he's so negative in his comments across the board I find it difficult to even listen to him.  As I've said before, Friedman has, to my mind, become the cheesy lounge act of ufology.

[FallenSeraph]

I had to take a Xanax halfway through the Celente stuff. As such, I conked out shortly after the UFO stuff started.

I'm still plugging along as a freelance writer and PR consultant. Still trying to find a full-time job. (I had one for a joyous four months at the end of 2014 before my position was once again eliminated and outsourced to a more cost-effective PR agency, due to "budget constraints.") Still constantly dwelling in a state of financial turbulence. Had to file for Chapter 7 a few weeks ago. I cried. It felt like the most humiliating moment of my life.

That was a long, woe-is-me way of saying anything on the topic of money or the doomed economy as a whole gives me a panic attack these days.

I'll try to catch this show later as a Time Traveler. Or maybe I'll skip this one.

[albrecht]

I had to take a Xanax halfway through the Celente stuff. As such, I conked out shortly after the UFO stuff started.

I'm still plugging along as a freelance writer and PR consultant. Still trying to find a full-time job. (I had one for a joyous four months at the end of 2014 before my position was once again eliminated and outsourced to a more cost-effective PR agency, due to "budget constraints.") Still constantly dwelling in a state of financial turbulence. Had to file for Chapter 7 a few weeks ago. I cried. It felt like the most humiliating moment of my life.

That was a long, woe-is-me way of saying anything on the topic of money or the doomed economy as a whole gives me a panic attack these days.

I'll try to catch this show later as a Time Traveler. Or maybe I'll skip this one.

Good luck. It will work out. I had a friend who had to declare bankruptcy a few years back after a bunch of stuff that happened. His wife told me though that bankruptcy was a life-saver and really turned things around for them. A monkey off their back and able to focus on the future instead always trying to play catch-up. The ability to "start over" and stop the creditors, calls, harassment, never-ending recurring interest and so never getting out of debt, allowed them to pay back taxes (in separate agreement with IRS) and move on. She said it was humiliating until they went through the process and realized that 1) they weren't alone 2) there is a reason bankruptcy provisions were written and, if you need more justification 3) similar type filings are done by businesses and super rich people all the time (and they don't "really" need it but done for financial purposes.

[Uncle Duke]

Below is the post I made on the Jimmy Church page in May of 2014 after the last of three interviews on Rendlesham  over a 5-6 week period. 


Got a chance to listen to Jimmy's interview from last week with Jim Penniston regarding Rendlesham.  Off the three recent shows Jimmy did on the subject, I found this the least compelling and Penniston the least forthcoming. For a guy who told Jimmy he has no memory problems concerning the event(s) of 1980, he actually said very little.  Any chance we'll hear Col Halt on "Fade to Black"?

It's clear there are issues between/among the various principals involved in the incidents, as well as with reseachers and authors who've worked on the case.  The latest to surface (at least for me) is Penniston's feelings about Peter Robbins, the author who co-authored a book with Larry Warren.  Of particular interest to me was the different stories Penniston and Robbins/Warren told Jimmy relative to the initial public disclosure of Penniston's "binary code" addendum to the Rendlesham Incident.

I really liked Jimmy's suggestion to Penniston that all the principals get together for a round table.  Penniston made the point late in the interview that he is in contact with fourteen guys from his squad, so at least Penniston knows names and contact information for all those involved.  None of these guys are getting any younger, if something like this is going to be done, now is the time.

Jimmy, you must know or have access to the deep pocket, heavy breathers in the industry out there who could make something like this happen.  Pitch it to SciFi, History Channel, or whoever, maybe a two day conference in LA or Las Vegas that wraps up with a two-hour (for live TV) round table to be moderated by Art Bell, followed up by a Q&A session.  Devote the first day and a half to a detailed, fact based telling of the events at Rendlesham.  Invite everyone who was personally involved (not authors/researchers) to participate; sell tickets, webcast a pay-per-view, sell CDs of the entire event, etc.  Make it a deal where some portion of the profits goes to the Air Force Aid Society or Wounded Warriors.  If done properly, this could be the biggest UFO event in history.

[Herbn-Legend]

Ok, finally finished listening to the show. Here's my take...

Professional writers. investigators, journalists, etc never make themselves part of the story.  That is exactly what this person is trying to do.  Whether it is ego based or strategic, it is not what the public wants to hear.  At this point it sounds like disgruntled nerds fighting over which is better, Star Wars or Star Trek. 

I feel just like what the callers and wormhole notes said, "stick to the story"! The story and those in the story are what is interesting, not the personal conflicts involved.  IMO.... Heck, this Robbins guy should have dove into the pictures and the fact the fuzzy image generally looked like the drawings from the actual incident! Now THAT is interesting!

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