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Started by pyewacket, August 20, 2015, 12:26:36 PM

pyewacket

They are very lucky that she sought out proper medical care in time. I feel bad posting all these stories, but there are serious issues at play with these people. Some of their audience members take them at their word and don't seem to understand that this is a scripted show.

All joking aside, look at what's happened so far with 3 married kids- Josh has serious problems, Jill's pregnancy and "mission" money/credibility issues, Jessa's selfies, calling herself an "author" on her FB page, thinking she's paid speaker material, the comments she and her husband make. That's just what we've seen so far. 




popple

Jessa calling herself an author is such a stretch lol All she did was give some quotes to a guy and he ghost wrote it as if he were all the sisters.

pyewacket

Quote from: popple on September 29, 2015, 08:21:21 PM
Jessa calling herself an author is such a stretch lol All she did was give some quotes to a guy and he ghost wrote it as if he were all the sisters.

Hard to say, but it seems that she equates telling some stories to a real author who was then published- makes her one, too.  ::)

pyewacket

It looks like Jessa's fans are tired of her behaviour. She's gone out of her way to upstage Amy. The parents failure to correct her reflects poorly on them as well.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2405751/jessa-duggar-is-accused-of-jealousy-and-scene-stealing/

popple

Yeah, IDG why jessa felt the need to upload 100 pictures of her wedding right when her cousin was getting married.

This pic of cousin amy must make the duggars so mad. I wonder if the duggar boys had to look at their feet the entire day


pyewacket

Quote from: popple on September 29, 2015, 10:26:55 PM
Yeah, IDG why jessa felt the need to upload 100 pictures of her wedding right when her cousin was getting married.

This pic of cousin amy must make the duggars so mad. I wonder if the duggar boys had to look at their feet the entire day

Haha- they probably did because as Carrie White's mom called them in the movie, "you can see her dirty pillows!"   ;)

pyewacket

Here's an interesting story about interactions between the Duggars and the production crew.

http://defamer.gawker.com/tell-your-duggar-tales-did-michelle-duggar-get-a-gay-c-1706502185

popple

TLC will do anything for these people. LOL @ "TALENT"

QuoteThe official reason given to pacify the Duggars was that he was “fired due to causing conflicts with the talent”.
QuoteHe was fired 100% because he was gay and for no other reason. The conflict was because he was gay. Of course, he wasn’t really fired fired, but taken off this particular crew. Jimmy was super cool and took it all in stride, and understood the reasoning and the delicate balance the producers needed to have to please these stupid people.


And an update...
Josh Duggar is being accused of having an affair with ANOTHER porn star
Quote“A second porn star is saying she also hooked up with Josh,” a source told InTouch magazine. “The second porn star had a similar experience [to Danica] â€" Josh was also rough with her. He’s a monster with what he did to these women and the embarrassment he’s caused his family.”

popple

Her voice... D:

https://youtu.be/pMMgjQ43cL4

The 1,000 guest funeral for her miscarriage was a bit over the top. Someone some place mentioned that was probably a political move to show how strongly pro-life they are.

pyewacket

Quote from: popple on September 30, 2015, 11:43:02 PM
Her voice... D:

The 1,000 guest funeral for her miscarriage was a bit over the top. Someone some place mentioned that was probably a political move to show how strongly pro-life they are.

That voice brought back cringe worthy memories.  :P I didn't listen to the whole video; I will later. Does this imply that she had more than one miscarriage? I wouldn't be surprised- maybe tried again after the first and then decided to make the 2nd the grand finale of Michelle's birthing career?

Most women who have miscarriages would be too distraught to put on a grand scale spectacle like that. Then again, people grieve in different ways. Others will milk a personal tragedy for all it's worth.

When I had my miscarriage (2-3 month into the pregnancy) I didn't want to be around people and make them uncomfortable. A nurse actually said to me that it was no big deal- it was just "a bunch of cells". I was a Catholic at the time and was very upset, but I didn't complain or cause trouble for the woman because I think she was trying to comfort me in a misguided activist way. I had to sign a death certificate and was told that the remains would be buried in a Catholic cemetery and blessed by their priest.

A relative of mine lost her twins much closer to her due date and had a private service with only close members of her family in attendance.

I cannot express what I think of Michelle Duggar on this matter. I will say that her actions seem to contradict this "every life is precious" theme. This looks like pure exploitation and cheapens the life of the baby. This is just my opinion. It could be viewed as just a baby that didn't make it off the assembly line.  :( >:(     

One would expect 1,000+ guests at funerals for heads of state or movie stars after long, distinguished careers. Or cast members of a show production.

popple

Michelle's voice is like some weird hush toned baby vocal fry. She tries to sound happy but it sounds like she's on the edge of insanity.

Sorry for your loss, pyewacket :( & you're right it is disrespectful of them to use that baby for their agenda or attention. I remember they posted pictures of the baby online around that time too. Pictures of its hands and feet. Some parents do that but coming from the duggars it seemed attention seeking. I can't believe she first messed up on that letter. "When I'm asked how many children I have the answer will be 20. 19 here and 1 in heaven" Ummmm... what about the baby they said they lost on birth control that started this whole quiverfull? "You are not loved less because you are baby #20"


pyewacket

Quote from: popple on October 01, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
Michelle's voice is like some weird hush toned baby vocal fry. She tries to sound happy but it sounds like she's on the edge of insanity.

Sorry for your loss, pyewacket :( & you're right it is disrespectful of them to use that baby for their agenda or attention. I remember they posted pictures of the baby online around that time too. Pictures of its hands and feet. Some parents do that but coming from the duggars it seemed attention seeking. I can't believe she first messed up on that letter. "When I'm asked how many children I have the answer will be 20. 19 here and 1 in heaven" Ummmm... what about the baby they said they lost on birth control that started this whole quiverfull? "You are not loved less because you are baby #20"

Those baby voices are a joke. If you have an opportunity to observe them in different settings- which I did, Heh heh- the treacle increased when talking to customers, but in the back when talking among themselves- well the tone was harsher and the words nasty.  ;D The brainwashed stupidity was just the cherry on top.

Good point- does the first lost baby not count because it was pre quiverfull?

I can't think of any reason to post pics of the baby's feet and hands except for publicity and support for their agenda. What if the child had been deformed- would they still post pics?

Thank you for your kindness  popple, it happened many, many years ago, but you do remember the experience. We made the best of the situation and it was handled respectfully. In Duggarville- to each his own, I guess.

popple

Favorite Duggar pastor John Piper: Sex is only for Christians and everyone else is a prostitute



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“Sex belongs to Christians. Because sex belongs to God,” he wrote. “If it is used by those who do not believe and know the truth, it is prostituted.”

“The pleasures of sex are meant for believers. They are designed for their greatest expression by the children of God,” he continued. “He saves His richest gifts for his children. And as we enjoy His gift of sex, we say, by our covenant faithfulness to our spouse, that God is greater than sex. And the pleasures of sex are themselves an overflow of God’s own goodness.”

Oh.

pyewacket

Thank you for the laughs, popple.  :) He has people listening to him and buying his books- and they still take him seriously.  :o

There is a dark side to the quiverfull movement and it's political. Some other christian groups have become alarmed when learning more about it. They consider them part of the Christian Reconstructionist movement which they believe to be an end times political ideology.

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A Reconstructed Society

From What is Christian Reconstructionism? by Frederick Clarkson, The Public Eye:

A general outline of what the reconstructed 'Kingdom,' or confederation of Biblical theocracies, would look like emerges from the large body of Reconstructionist literature. This society would feature a minimal national government, whose main function would be defense by the armed forces. No social services would be provided outside the church, which would be responsible for 'health, education, and welfare.' A radically unfettered capitalism (except in so far as it clashed with Biblical Law) would prevail. Society would return to the gold or silver standard or abolish paper money altogether. The public schools would be abolished. Government functions, including taxes, would be primarily at the county level.


Women would be relegated primarily to the home and home schools, and would be banned from government. Those qualified to vote or hold office would be limited to males from Biblically correct churches.


One of the tenets of Reconstuctionism is that prisons will be empty because the death penalty will be applied to all capital crimes. Some of the more extreme leaders of the Reconstructionist movement include as capital crimes unrepentant homosexuality, abortion, adultery, blasphemy, and even incorrigible children.

http://thewartburgwatch.com/2009/07/22/the-real-reason-for-the-quiverfull-movement/

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If Reconstructionism is a new term for you, the above description of a reconstructed society must sound strange and frightening to you, but rest assured that this is NOT A JOKE!  These reconstructionists are serious about their beliefs, and they have an agenda.

Bill Gothard, Howard Phillips, and Doug Phillips are all Christian Reconstructionists, and we believe they are manipulating the minds of homeschooling families, who are often isolated and impressionable.  We fear that some of these ideas are being promoted within the homeschooling community, and that's why the Quiverfull Movement will be instrumental in carrying out their agenda.  These dominionists are working to get like-minded individuals elected so they can begin to put their own form of government in place.   

pyewacket

Let's take a look at the leadership that influences the QF movement and the families like the Duggars.

http://www.mommyish.com/2014/04/17/vision-forum-ministries-sex-scandal-followed-by-duggars/

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Doug Phillips resigned from Vision Forum Ministries last year after fessing up to an affair. Ministry supporters include Christians like the Duggars and Kirk Cameron. So, already the story isn’t off to a good start if a church leader has admitted to having an affair.

But it turns out that his so-called “affair” was much more sordid than he would have liked the public to believe:

Doug Phillips, a married father of eight, is a senior figure in the controversial Quiverfull movement, which preaches that women should keep giving birth until they can’t anymore and that both wives and daughters must live in submission at home.

The movement is followed by Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar of TLC’s 19 Kids And Counting, they’ve attributed their 19 children to a Quiverfull belief that God is in control of the womb. Michelle Duggar received a Mother Of The Year award in 2010 from Vision Forum, Phillip’s ministry.

In a civil lawsuit filed against Phillips and Vision Forum on Tuesday, Lourdes Torres-Manteufel, now 29, claims that she is the woman that Phillips had previously confessed about. She is suing for more than $1 million in damages over what she alleges was an abusive and manipulative relationship that caused her serious mental harm and distress.

Ick. This poor girl was only 15 years old when she first met Creepy McCreeperson Pastor Phillipsâ€"at a homeschooling conference. She alleges that he repeatedly groped and rubbed parts of her body, forced her to watch him masturbate on her, and ejaculated on her, according to the lawsuit. The abusive relationship took place over several years.

Phillips’ attorney denies the allegations, stating: “While it may be true that Mr. Phillips had an intermittent relationship with Mrs. Lourdes Torres-Manteufel, they never had the physical intimacy of touching and/or the exposure of genitalia, nor did the intermittent relationship escalate to sexual intercourse.”

Read more: http://www.mommyish.com/2014/04/17/vision-forum-ministries-sex-scandal-followed-by-duggars/#ixzz3nNn0dnEG

popple

Quotea Quiverfull belief that God is in control of the womb.

Then why do the Duggars need to go to high risk fertility doctors for IVF?  ::)

15 year old Lourdes Torres-Manteufel should have been more responsible. She caused Doug Phillips to be full of lust! She also caused him to waste seed. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MURDER. She just left his kids to die on her clothing.

lol so what exactly did this "intermittent relationship" consist of then? Sharing a soda pop?  ???

pyewacket

Quote from: popple on October 01, 2015, 10:04:00 PM
Then why do the Duggars need to go to high risk fertility doctors for IVF?  ::)

15 year old Lourdes Torres-Manteufel should have been more responsible. She caused Doug Phillips to be full of lust! She also caused him to waste seed. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MURDER. She just left his kids to die on her clothing.

lol so what exactly did this "intermittent relationship" consist of then? Sharing a soda pop?  ???

;D Funny how these "god's will folks" turn to science when it suits their purposes.

That little hussy- I'll bet she crossed her ankles provocatively and smelled of Ivory soap when she attended bible studies.

the_Stranger

Quote from: pyewacket on September 29, 2015, 07:47:16 PM
Now back to the jokes! I'd watch this show.  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnSBIMfmv7I

Thanks for posting this, pyewacket.
I don't know how I missed out on hearing about this show.
My wife and I watched a couple eps last night night and got a kick out of them.
Subscribed to the channel and will watch the rest later on.
Pete Holmes is a clever fellow.

pyewacket

Quote from: the_Stranger on October 02, 2015, 03:02:25 AM
Thanks for posting this, pyewacket.
I don't know how I missed out on hearing about this show.
My wife and I watched a couple eps last night night and got a kick out of them.
Subscribed to the channel and will watch the rest later on.
Pete Holmes is a clever fellow.

Glad to share- I had only just discovered them myself.  ;)

popple

Anna Duggar Should ‘Forgive’ Josh Duggar For Cheating, Says ‘Duck Dynasty’ Star

QuoteMissy added of the Christian couple, "It's gonna be hard to stand in front of Jesus on judgment day and say, 'I expect forgiveness, but I'm not gonna forgive. And God teaches against that. He says, 'You must forgive,' and it's not easy."

Quote“She’s said she feels incredibly alone, that she’s basically a single mom. She often breaks down in tears. Her life has become a living hell,” an insider said in the publication’s Oct. 5 print issue.

Yes. These are the people we need to hear from right now!  ::)

Birdie

Quote from: popple on August 20, 2015, 07:26:59 PM
I don't think they're having any more than 19. Her uterus has prolapsed twice... maybe three times? There is a rumor that when she miscarriage #20 she had to have an emergency hysterectomy. She hasn't been pregnant for a few years (which is out of the ordinary) and has gone to a high risk fertility doctor. No luck there.

Shouldn't this be a huge sign to her that Gawd doesn't want her to have any more babies? Any fertility doctor who would actually treat her needs to have their license stripped and their head checked. 

These people make me nauseous. There is no way she can properly mother all these children, which means the older kids have to be the parents for the younger kids. Sounds like a fabulous, psychologically sound childhood for all. Nothing bad could possibly happen, right? Smh.

Edit: As for the one who got cheated on by the pedophile: she does need to forgive him- for herself and for her kid. That way, she can close the book on that chapter of her life and move on, far, far away from these whackjobs. But, that will probably never happen. Jesus will tell her what to do, and surely he will tell her to stay in the tabloids as long as possible.
I still cannot believe this Duggar asshole is not in prison. There should be no statute of limitations on child molestation, the state should have picked up charges on him immediately.

pyewacket

Quote from: popple on October 02, 2015, 02:11:14 PM
Anna Duggar Should ‘Forgive’ Josh Duggar For Cheating, Says ‘Duck Dynasty’ Star

Yes. These are the people we need to hear from right now!  ::)

I can't believe what I'm reading. All I know about the Duck Dynasty people is that they are rich, ultra christian, and have had some bad press themselves.

I don't think forgiveness includes overlooking unacceptable, abusive behaviour that has been ongoing and escalating. Josh didn't appear to benefit from their brand of "counselling" in the past. It would be irresponsible and destructive to keep that person in your life and, more importantly, allowing them access to your children.

These other reality show people feel qualified to offer their advice. How special. One way to get mentioned in the press. 

PS- Even though I have strong opinions on the matter- I don't feel that it is my right to tell someone else how to live their life. I just hope that Anna gets some proper counselling, advice, and support from people who truly care about her and her children.

popple

I can't believe they are trying it AGAIN! ...and so soon?  ???

Jill Duggar And Derick Dillard Hold Fundraiser Amid Controversy About Their Alleged Personal Use Of Donated Mission Trip Money



QuoteThe Dillard family set up the Dillard Family Ministry donations page, which the IRS has deemed a tax-exempt organization, to raise money for their missionary work. Fans can still go to the page and pledge a suggested minimum of $15 to fund Jill, Derick and their son Israel’s missionary work. However, in the three months since their tearful family goodbye in July, the Dillards have returned to the United States three times â€" the latest of which was to attend a fundraiser geared toward getting them more money.

popple

Jill Duggar And Derick Dillard Kept Certain Mission Trip Donors From Farewell Party, Asked For Free Food



Why are they throwing a going away party when they already left months ago and came back three times? It must be for the TLC cameras.

pyewacket

There are so many questions that come to mind. Is this a charity or a non profit?

According to their official page, Dillard Family Ministries, they are recognized by the IRS as a
501 (c) (3) tax exempt organization. Transactions are provided by Cornerstone Payment Systems.

https://give.cornerstone.cc/The+Dillards

http://nonprofit.about.com/od/glossary/g/501corporation.htm

QuoteThe most common type of nonprofit organization, the 501(c)(3) covers a lot of ground. This kind of nonprofit is the one we are most likely to think of when we imagine a “nonprofit.” That’s because they are the charities to which we turn for help and support with our charitable donations.

They are commonly called “charitable organizations.”

A 501(c)(3) nonprofit enjoys several benefits, besides exemption from federal income tax, if it has these purposes:

charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fosters amateur sports competition, prevents cruelty to children or animals.

Examples of qualifying organizations include nursing homes, parent-teacher associations, charitable hospitals, alumni associations, schools, chapters of the Red Cross or Salvation Army, Boys' or Girl's clubs, and churches.

The Requirements for 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Status

To receive the benefits of tax-exemption, a 501(c)(3) organization must fulfill several requirements beyond serving the charitable purposes listed above. These are:

    It must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes.
    It must not be organized or operated for the benefit of any private interest. Its net earnings may not inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. Nonprofits can make a profit,  but that profit must be used for charitable purposes only.
    It is restricted in its political and lobbying activities.

What Benefits Do 501(c)(3) Nonprofits Enjoy?

It is advantageous for a nonprofit organization to seek tax exemption. The benefits include:

    It can receive grants from private foundations and the government.
    It is exempt from many federal, state, and local taxes.
    It can provide a tax deduction to individual donors.
    It may be able to receive special postage rates, nonprofit advertising rates, and other discounts.
    Protection from lawsuits. Since a charitable organization usually incorporates before seeking tax exemption, lawsuits can only be filed against the corporate assets. Thus, staff and board members may be protected legally. That protection is not universal or blanket, so nonprofits should also buy certain types of insurance as well.

What is the difference between a charity and a non profit?

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-charity-and-vs-non-profit/

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Non Profit

Do not confuse by the name of an organization. Even if it is a non profit organization, it may not actually be a charity. A non profit organization is just another name for a business entity except that it does not make profits. If there is a surplus, such companies set it aside for salaries. The only point to note is that a non profit company does not report profits, or in other words, it is not there to make money.

Charity

A charity is an organization that is involved in activities such as relief operations or to fight against illiteracy, ailments and other social cause. The money at the disposal of a charity is meant to be spent on these social causes only. A charity raises money through donations and has a workforce that is not salaried; workers often hold honorary posts and offer their contribution voluntarily. Thus it is clear that a charity is similar to a non profit organization in the sense that it too does not make profits.

Difference between Charity and Non Profit

One notable difference between a charity and a non profit organization is the way they are taxed. While a non profit organization is treated as any other normal company involved in business activities, charities are accorded special status by the authorities and get special concessions because of the social work they do for the society.

Another difference lies in their continuity. While a charity is a charity for ever, a non profit company may change over to a for profit company in future. The distinction between a non profit organization and a charity makes many to take advantage of common perception in the public and they make a lot of money and later convert into a for profit company which is a shame.


pate

Quote from: pyewacket on October 05, 2015, 08:40:53 PM
...

What is the difference between a charity and a non profit?

...

Good question, what is the difference between a Public Broadcasting System and all them others?

Oh, apples and oranges!

Both fruits.

Correct answer is:

NONE...

pyewacket

Quote from: pate on October 06, 2015, 02:51:30 AM
Good question, what is the difference between a Public Broadcasting System and all them others?

Oh, apples and oranges!

Both fruits.

Correct answer is:

NONE...

Au contraire mon frere! The following article has nothing to do with what the Dillards are doing. This is information about a big Pat Robertson mission. This is what can happen if operators have money, connections, supportive rubes, and no soul.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/07/doc-mission-congo-alleges-pat-robertson-exploited-post-genocide-rwandans-for-diamonds.html

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The documentary ‘Mission Congo,’ which premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival, alleges that televangelist Pat Robertson’s charity in Zaire to help refugees that fled from post-genocide Rwanda, Operation Blessing, really served as an elaborate front for his diamond mining operation. Marlow Stern reports.

Quote from: The Daily Beast
   
Pat Robertson has said some awful things in the past. He claimed “the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays,” should take part of the blame for 9/11, that Hurricane Katrina was due to America’s pro-choice policies, and that the 2010 Haiti earthquake was because Haiti’s founders had sworn “a pact to the Devil.” But if the allegations in Lara Zizic and David Turner’s documentary Mission Congoâ€"which premiered at the 2013 Toronto International Film Festivalâ€"are true (and there is a mountain of evidence presented that back up the filmmaker’s claims), then Robertson is much, much worse than even his fiercest detractors imagined.

In the wake of the 1994 Rwandan genocide, which resulted in the deaths of an estimated 800,000 people, one million Rwandans fled to Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo). Many of the refugees were stashed in camps with little to no shelter, running water, or medical supplies. One of these refugee camps was in Goma.

So Robertson, sensing an opportunity, took up the cause. He began pleading on his TV program The 700 Club, broadcast by the Robertson-founded Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), for viewers to pledge at least $25/month to Robertson’s non-profit organization, Operation Blessing International (OBI), to help.

“We’re going to ship enough medicine to take care of a quarter of a million refuges,” said Robertson at the time.

“I want to chart a 727 airplane with 100 doctors directly into Goma,” he later proclaimed. “It will be the largest contingent of doctors, I believe, on the field.”

Chris McGreal, a journalist for The Guardian who was stationed at the refugee camp in Goma, recalled a strange sight. The camp was plagued by a cholera epidemic, which claimed over 40,000 lives. As victims were rushed to medical tents on stretchers, he witnessed a preacher running alongside the stretcher clenching a Bible and preaching to the victim. The Bible-thumper was a member of OBI.

“They had one tent and a stack of Bibles,” said a member of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), which provided actual aid to the refugree camp in Goma, in the film.

“People began to refuse the Bibles,” added a local. “‘What we need is food and medicine,’ they said. Operation Blessing would say, ‘That’s not our mission.’”

Furthermore, Robertson repeatedly alleged on The 700 Club that he had purchased a fleet of Vietnam-era cargo planes from United Flights to ship medical supplies to Goma.

“I thought this was a good deal… men helping men,” said Robert Hinkle, Chief Pilot for Operation Blessing in 1994. “They began asking me, ‘Can we haul a 1,000-pound dredge over?’ I didn’t know what the dredging was about.”

According to Jessie Potts, who served as Operations Manager for OBI in 1994, the charity stopped sending medical teams to Goma several weeks into the operation. Instead, the film alleges that these resourcesâ€"the donations, the cargo planes, etc.â€"were used for the for-profit African Development Company Ltd., a diamond mining operation that was headquartered in Kinshasa, while the mining site itself was located in the remote village of Kamonia. Robertson was the sole shareholder and president of ADC.

In the film, Bill Sizemore, a reporter for The Virginian-Pilot that penned an exposé on Robertson’s activities in Africa, claims that the ADC had a mining license granted to it by Mobutu, then-president of Zaire, who had been sanctioned by the United Nations over alleged human rights violations.

“Pat Robertson, over the course of the next few years, actually lobbied to have the sanctions against Mobutu removed,” Sizemore says in the film.

The film also presents a video from 1994 that it says plainly shows Robertson palling around in Africa with Colonel Théoneste Bagosora, who then ushers him onto a helicopter. Bagasora was an instrumental figure in the 1994 Rwandan genocide, and was later sentenced to life imprisonment by the International Tribunal Court for Rwanda (ITCR).

Two men who worked as Mining Consultants for the ADC in 1994, Craig Macfarland and Sid Slackman, go on record in the film claiming that Robertson did indeed hire them to help operate a diamond and mineral mining operation in Kamonia. And, since most foreigners needed a well-connected local to help set up a business in Africa, Robertson allegedly employed Pastor Kosongo, who served as a local governor and ADC partner in 1994.

“We signed an agreement and we went to work with him at ADC,” Kosongo says in the film. “I was his associate, I had 25 percent of the business and his group had 75 percent. I went as a delegate of my country. We had many privileges and many concessions.”

In order to mine the diamonds and minerals, the ADC would use dredges that vacuumed all the material up from a river's floor and then went through a processing machine to collect the valuesâ€"whether they be diamonds or gold.

OBI’s Chief Pilot Hinkle claims in the film that the cargo planes, which bore the logo “Operation Blessing” on the tail, were barely used for any sort of charitable work. Instead, he was shipping 8-inch and 6-inch dredges, 55-gallon drums of fuel, food supplies, four-wheelers, and Jeeps out to the diamond dredging operation in Kamonia. Of the 40 flights he flew, the film alleges that 43.9 hours were spent on humanitarian aid, while 271.9 hours were spent on transporting dredges around Zaire. At one point, Hinkle says he became so disgusted that he had the “Operation Blessing” logo removed from the aircraft. The film also claims that the 3,000-foot airstrip Robertson touted on his program was not used for the transport of medical supplies, but for the mining operation.

It doesn’t stop there.

Robertson also started a farming operation in then-Zaire that he called “Dumi Farm.” He claimed that the farm was thriving, bringing food to the locals, but Hinkle claims that the farm mostly served as a front to bypass taxes on the mining operation.

“We were supposed to pay a huge import tax on dredgingâ€"mining, equipmentâ€"but they told the inspectors that it was for the Operation Blessing farm, and it was to clear the water out of the land so they could farm it,” says Hinkle.

The farming operation failed almost immediately. According to Larry Streshley, Medical Director for the Presbyterian Church in Kinshasa, OBI transported American farming supplies and seeds to Zaire, which didn’t thrive in the different climate, so the corn didn’t mature.

“They ignored the local’s advice on when to cultivate,” adds Michel, the Dumi Village Chief. “We weren’t happy with this because Operation Blessing didn’t trust the people.”

To this day, the OBI website continues to solicit donations for Dumi, despite “no evidence that any of the money raised has gone to the people of Dumi,” who are still living in abject poverty, according to the film.

And OBI’s presence in Goma was virtually nonexistent, according to Samantha Bolton, who was stationed in the Goma refugee camp while serving as an information officer for Médecins Sans Frontières in 1994. She also claims the “charity” even used pictures of MSF workers in their fundraising, passing them off as their own aid workers.

“I don’t remember seeing Operation Blessing anywhere,” she says in the film. “They may have sent some representative, but they were in no way a player in this situation.”

What the film does allege is that OBI may have purchased mass quantities of aspirin to ship to victims at Goma.

“Maybe he took over a few hundred thousand doses of aspirin, which you can buy for $1/1,000,” says Richard Walden, CEO of Operation USA and co-winner of the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize. “Maybe he spent three hundred bucks on aspirin. So, did he take over enough aspirin for hundreds of thousands of people? Probably yes.”

“We got enough Tylenol…too much,” adds OBI Operations Manager Jessie Potts. “I never understood that. We got enough Tylenol to supply all of Zaire.”

After Sizemore’s piece ran on the cover of The Virginian-Pilot, it caught the attention of Virginia Sen. Janet Howell, since OBI was based in Virginia, and receiving tax relief from the people there. She went to the state attorney general to demand an investigation. The Virginia Office of Consumer Affairs conducted a report that stated there was “no evidence” of Robertson ferrying doctors and supplies to Goma, according to Sen. Howell.

A few claims from the 1998 report are as follows, according to the film:

1) Misrepresenting in September 1994 that OBI was ferrying doctors and medicines in the Caribou aircraft.

2) Misrepresenting in December 1994 that OBI has carved an airstrip to assist natives when the airstrip was for the benefit of ADC’s mining operation.

3) Misrepresenting in July 1994 that OBI needed funds to expand its farming operations and that the soil was so rich that anything planted would grow when, in fact, the farm venture failed in 1995, due to poor soil conditions.

According to the film, then Virginia Gov. James Gilmore had received a personal donation of $50,000 from Robertson, and the newly-instated Attorney General Mark Earley had also received a donation of $35,000 from Robertson for his 1997 election campaign, and was dependent on the influential conservative Christian’s support. Earley decided not to prosecute Robertson. 


Quote from: The Daily Beast

Meanwhile, when Mobutu fled Zaire in 1997, the film claims that the last of Robertson’s mining concessions expired. The film also claims that in 1999, Robertson signed mining agreements in Liberia with then-president Charles Taylor who, in 2012, was convicted of crimes against humanity.

Operation Blessing International reported $220 million in revenue in 2011, and still enjoys tax-exempt status in the United States.

And, according to a video that appears in the film that allegedly was posted to the Christian Broadcasting Network’s website in 2012, Robertson still appears to claim that OBI brought plenty of medical aid to Zaire.

“Well, if your desire is to help the people of the country, it’s necessary to work with the existing government,” says Robertson. “We brought the largest contingent of medicine into Goma in Zaire, at least the first and the largest, and we were helping Doctors Without Borders to get the medicine they needed to critically injured people. But the press doesn’t report that.”


This would be a great show topic for Bateman.

popple

OK. First of all the earth is a living and moving thing. There are going to be earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, etc forever. These disasters are not brought on by people sinning or payback for abortions. WHAT IS SCIENCE?

Quote“People began to refuse the Bibles,” added a local. “‘What we need is food and medicine,’ they said. Operation Blessing would say, ‘That’s not our mission.’”

Maybe if he helped them to not starve they might consider following his bible  ???

And yeah this could make a really good Dark City. I loved the bit last week tonight did on televangelists.

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