Another Obama Database

[Jackstar]

It's just one person and he's a meaningless troll.  But, if you have an inability to count, you might be a moron.

Of course, I could also point out that saying I acted like a c--- when nobody else here goes off on angry (and stupid) rants whether provoked or unprovoked the way you do, is more than a little ridiculous.

There really isn't much of a need to point that out though as I couldn't give a rat's ass what you "think."

5. Side-track opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can "argue" with you over the new topic and polarise the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

Example: "There were no CIA drugs and was no drug money laundering through Mena, Arkansas, and certainly, there was no Bill Clinton knowledge of it because it simply didn't happen. This is merely an attempt by his opponents to put Clinton off balance and at a disadvantage in the election because Dole is such a weak candidate with nothing to offer that they are desperate to come up with something to swing the polls. Dole simply has no real platform." Response. "You idiot! Dole has the clearest vision of what's wrong with Government since McGovern. Clinton is only interested in raping the economy, the environment, and every woman he can get his hands on..." One naturally feels compelled, regardless of party of choice, to jump in defensively on that one...

[136 or 142]

There is someone else here that fits that same profile; maybe you two should hook up?

That's pretty funny because the obvious love connection here is between you two inbreds.  You're already correcting each other's sentences, it won't be long before you're completing each other's sentences, which would be a big help for the troll.

[Quick Karl]

That's pretty funny because the obvious love connection here is between you two inbreds.  You're already correcting each other's sentences, it won't be long before you're completing each other's sentences, which would be a big help for the troll.

Jackstar look what you've done -- you're going to make him cry! 

[136 or 142]

Jackstar look what you've done -- you're going to make him cry! 

5. Side-track opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can "argue" with you over the new topic and polarise the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

Example: "There were no CIA drugs and was no drug money laundering through Mena, Arkansas, and certainly, there was no Bill Clinton knowledge of it because it simply didn't happen. This is merely an attempt by his opponents to put Clinton off balance and at a disadvantage in the election because Dole is such a weak candidate with nothing to offer that they are desperate to come up with something to swing the polls. Dole simply has no real platform." Response. "You idiot! Dole has the clearest vision of what's wrong with Government since McGovern. Clinton is only interested in raping the economy, the environment, and every woman he can get his hands on..." One naturally feels compelled, regardless of party of choice, to jump in defensively on that one...

[Eddie Coyle]

   Obama's database would affect a British Columbia native, how?

   Get a life, spambot. Fuck that...drop dead.

    Here's Dear Leader taking special interest in the project

[136 or 142]

   Obama's database would affect a British Columbia native, how?

   Get a life, spambot. Fuck that...drop dead.

    Here's Dear Leader taking special interest in the project

1.This database started prior to Obama.
2.Canada is a member of the 'five eyes' and all the citizens in those countries are essentially treated as being civilians by each security force.  So, in fact, you and I are both equally affected.

https://www.privacyinternational.org/?q=node/51


"Here's what we do know: under the agreement interception, collection, acquisition, analysis, and decryption is conducted by each of the State parties in their respective parts of the globe, and all intelligence information is shared by default. The agreement is wide in scope and establishes jointly-run operations centres where operatives from multiple intelligence agencies of the Five Eyes States work alongside each other.

Further, tasks are divided between SIGINT agencies, ensuring that the Five Eyes alliance is far more than a set of principles of collaboration. The level of cooperation under the agreement is so complete that the national product is often indistinguishable."

[Jackstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

[Eddie Coyle]

So, in fact, you and I are both equally affected.

   WRONG. I'm not a fellow traveler of his, unlike you are. Being in the dissent camp will be literal as well as figurative in the dystopian future...or here and now.

   Didn't realize Canadians were American taxpayers.

   

[Quick Karl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Inconceivable!

One of the best movies ever!

I grant you the $100.

[Jackstar]

No. Get back in the rape pool!

[136 or 142]

Inconceivable!

One of the best movies ever!

I grant you the $100.

No. Get back in the rape pool!

You and the troll need to get a room.

[Jackstar]

You and the troll need to get a room.

7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

[Quick Karl]

No. Get back in the rape pool!

[albrecht]

1.This database started prior to Obama.
2.Canada is a member of the 'five eyes' and all the citizens in those countries are essentially treated as being civilians by each security force.  So, in fact, you and I are both equally affected.

https://www.privacyinternational.org/?q=node/51


"Here's what we do know: under the agreement interception, collection, acquisition, analysis, and decryption is conducted by each of the State parties in their respective parts of the globe, and all intelligence information is shared by default. The agreement is wide in scope and establishes jointly-run operations centres where operatives from multiple intelligence agencies of the Five Eyes States work alongside each other.

Further, tasks are divided between SIGINT agencies, ensuring that the Five Eyes alliance is far more than a set of principles of collaboration. The level of cooperation under the agreement is so complete that the national product is often indistinguishable."

Yes, ECHELON and all the various spying agreements and programs (programmes for you?) were an "interesting" thing. Here is the deal:
-there were laws
-there were treaties and agreements and "understandings"
-BUT, the basic logic, was thus, (this was the basic prior to all the new laws, regulations, secret protocols, etc after 9/11): (and this applied mainly to us because some governments already had citizen spying as legal): A basic scenario (but would apply to all):
CIA) CIA/NSA/DIA/etc/etc: we can't spy/intercept our citizens? Dammit
MI5) (various NATO countries): Dammit neither can we!
CIA) mumble. mummble. "Wait, if I spy on your people can you spy on ours?"
MI5) tea-cups clinking. Whereas the tea girl I need some sugar.
CIA)) What, what was that
MI5) Sorry old boy, sure. Like the Hitchcock film.
CIA) mumble, mumble. What's that? (in background: "psycho")
MI5) laughter, no, no, Strangers on a Train, wot.
CIA) uh. (in background a criss-cross, ya know?) Ok. Let's do it.
MI5) now, about funding, err. With the current government, er, I mean
CIA) hahaha, no worries as your OZ colleagues might say

So there was a "legal" basis for those Clinton and after his era programs. And, in theory at least, a "cut out" and pseudo-legal reasoning. Now it is full on 24/7 surveillance of citizens by their own (and still other's) government. And the technology has gotten to the point that nothing is ever forgotten also (and they also record and archive it) lest someone gets on a "bad list" or is elected to office, a judgeship, etc.

[onan]

Yes, all of us liberal, socialist, fascist, willing-to-suck-your-financial-marrow-to-your-death are the majority. America, love it or leave it... oh and shill.

[NowhereInTime]

Dude I've been working for 12-days straight and had my best week-and-one-half ever $8573.75!

Wow! That's a lot of cock at $10 a pop!  Your lips must be chaaappppped...

My brain is mud...

Well this corresponds with the fact that your politics are shit.

[NowhereInTime]

   Obama's database would affect a British Columbia native, how?

   Get a life, spambot. Fuck that...drop dead.

    Here's Dear Leader taking special interest in the project

Spoiled brat child. Only your opinion counts?  It amazes me the never ending hypocrisy of conservatives; disagree with you and we're "intolerant" and "pedantic" yet disagree with us and it's "drop dead".

This is why you are losing.

[Quick Karl]

Wow! That's a lot of cock at $10 a pop!  Your lips must be chaaappppped...

You're projecting again, fucking queer.

[NowhereInTime]

You're projecting again, fucking queer.

Let's see, Eddie Coyle, Jackstar, and now you have used this tired, unimaginative rebuttal when called out by your intellectual superior. 

For entertainment purposes alone I would hope you self-loathing, self-appointed guardians of the pernicious would do better, but then even I expect too much from cuntservatives.

[albrecht]

Back the subject. Apparently the lefties here have no problem with government databases, spying, and data-mining now? Simply because it is for racial balance, reparations or "justice" purposes? Or is it because Obama is running it? As far as I can tell there is no kill-switch on this, or the other databases, that kill them once Obama leaves office. And some of these databases and domesitic spying stuff went on, and were hated by the left, under previous administrations. But, now it is ok? That is my big problem with the leftists- it is never about principle, law, honor, or standards that don't change but ONLY about who is in power and what can be dismantled, undermined, or accomplished by "any means necessary."

[Eddie Coyle]

Eddie Coyle, intellectual superior. 

  The nigger lover extraordinaire got something right. BTW, you're the biggest liar in the place. Your "redneck shotgun" story only outdone by your denial of Grindr membership. YOU LIAR!

   Lose the Spader avatar. You're Gerritt Graham with the can of paint in "Hi Mom". Be Black, Baby!

   http://youtu.be/N1thI8PCPRM
   
   

[136 or 142]

Back the subject. Apparently the lefties here have no problem with government databases, spying, and data-mining now? Simply because it is for racial balance, reparations or "justice" purposes? Or is it because Obama is running it? As far as I can tell there is no kill-switch on this, or the other databases, that kill them once Obama leaves office. And some of these databases and domesitic spying stuff went on, and were hated by the left, under previous administrations. But, now it is ok? That is my big problem with the leftists- it is never about principle, law, honor, or standards that don't change but ONLY about who is in power and what can be dismantled, undermined, or accomplished by "any means necessary."

My position is consistent no matter who is in power: some of these things may be needed (and some may not) but accessing them should only be allowed with the approval of a judge and their should probably be other safeguards as well.  The Yes, Minister episode "Big Brother" actually covered this quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXqmmdIuZJA

[NowhereInTime]

  The nigger lover extraordinaire got something right. BTW, you're the biggest liar in the place. Your "redneck shotgun" story only outdone by your denial of Grindr membership. YOU LIAR!

   Lose the Spader avatar. You're Gerritt Graham with the can of paint in "Hi Mom". Be Black, Baby

So, apparently, this isn't going to happen:

    Take note, Tyne Daly(she likes nigger dick as much as you) for this is my last interaction with you.

    I'm glad I provided something in your empty existence. Took you a full day for your script to be completed, and your annoying Talmudic exegesis quoting. Very sad. Most of the board ignores your homiletics for the Half Black Prince and cavils with anybody with the slightest difference of opinion. You are a humorless pedant who lights up a room by leaving it.

    Yes, I fully believe you're pedophile/pederast who finds Pampers ads as erotica. Is Bellgab your home away from Grindr? You faggot.

     So goodbye to your supercilious faggery and coon swooning, for I shall no longer throw pearls before a swinish son of a mudshark like you. I hope the gay cancer takes you soon. 

Way to stay credible.

As much to be expected from a overgrown two year old throwing a tantrum. 

I told you you wouldn't ignore me.  Christ, you guys are so predictable.

[Eddie Coyle]

a overgrown two year old throwing a tantrum. 

  Speaking of...

[albrecht]

My position is consistent no matter who is in power: some of these things may be needed (and some may not) but accessing them should only be allowed with the approval of a judge and their should probably be other safeguards as well.  The Yes, Minister episode "Big Brother" actually covered this quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXqmmdIuZJA

A great episode, I still listen to it on the cassette tapes I bought way back when sometimes! The best part was the desperation for an adequate answer over the database "we aren't going to use it"/"they why have it" stuff. So true.
There could be some things (though due to political correctness we often won't use it) to stop terrorism etc. But there is no reason for the government to have a database on all our health-records (Obamacare), racial data, etc etc etc. Get a proper warrant etc first. I would err on the side of LESS government databases than more. Especially when they are used for personal, political, or revenge reasons. And even IF the government minions are honest and using the data to help the country I'm against it because the government has proven, even just the past weeks, that they cannot secure data so that any hacker, foreign government, corrupt official, etc can access highly personal data.

[136 or 142]

There could be some things (though due to political correctness we often won't use it) to stop terrorism etc. But there is no reason for the government to have a database on all our health-records (Obamacare).

Seriously?  I don't know what you mean here by 'government' but there is a great deal of reason for your attending physicians/pharmacists to have access to your medical records.  The stuff about electronic health records being a large cost saver is likely bunk, but drug interactions and allergic reactions to drugs are two of the leading causes of premature death.

I know somebody who spends hours on paid websites to search for possible drug interactions for his sick wife and in many cases pharmacists (and even more so physicians) aren't aware of all the potential drug interactions.  A database that only health professionals can access that includes a person's medical history and is hyperlinked to all known drug interactions and the likelihood they can cause problems, how serious the possible side effects are... would unquestionably be a great life saver.

[Jackstar]

Let's see, Eddie Coyle, Jackstar, and now you have used this tired, unimaginative rebuttal when called out by your intellectual superior. 

I am excluded from this group on the grounds that I was not doing that. I have a note from my therapist that I just fired today and everything.

[albrecht]

Seriously?  I don't know what you mean here by 'government' but there is a great deal of reason for your attending physicians/pharmacists to have access to your medical records.  The stuff about electronic health records being a large cost saver is likely bunk, but drug interactions and allergic reactions to drugs are two of the leading causes of premature death.

I know somebody who spends hours on paid websites to search for possible drug interactions for his sick wife and in many cases pharmacists (and even more so physicians) aren't aware of all the potential drug interactions.  A database that only health professionals can access that includes a person's medical history and is hyperlinked to all known drug interactions and the likelihood they can cause problems, how serious the possible side effects are... would unquestionably be a great life saver.

I agree for doctors (or other health practitioners,) and with the patient's permission, sure. Likewise for pharmacists to know what other meds you are on. Of course! Especially as people age, and might go to many doctors, or forget to tell what they are on. Often the pharmacist is the last line of defense, which is why it is good to go to a certain one. And important that doctors know your health history. But I think there should be back-up paper records in addition to digital back up and better security- too much hacking. There is no reason a tax agent, government bureaucrat, or political appointee needs access to people's personal health records. (For audits, fraud investigations, medical surveys, etc anonymous data could be used, or with patient permission or with a subpoena or warrant.)  Doctor-Patient confidentiality should remain and the government shouldn't have a database of our private health information.

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I agree for doctors (or other health practitioners,) and with the patient's permission, sure. Likewise for pharmacists to know what other meds you are on. Of course! Especially as people age, and might go to many doctors, or forget to tell what they are on. Often the pharmacist is the last line of defense, which is why it is good to go to a certain one. And important that doctors know your health history. But I think there should be back-up paper records in addition to digital back up and better security- too much hacking. There is no reason a tax agent, government bureaucrat, or political appointee needs access to people's personal health records. (For audits, fraud investigations, medical surveys, etc anonymous data could be used, or with patient permission or with a subpoena or warrant.)  Doctor-Patient confidentiality should remain and the government shouldn't have a database of our private health information.

1.Not sure the need for paper backups, although I'm sure medical doctors will write out their prescriptions illegibly using pen and paper for a long time to come.

2.I believe it is possible that this database, since it would be strictly one way, could be put on a server walled off from the internet.  Wasn't Freenet something like that?  All updates on drug interactions would have to be entered separately into this database.

3.I agree that no civil servant should have access to medical records, but I don't know that they do right now. I like you albrecht, but I think even you'd admit that you're far too willing to believe in conspiracy theories and anything that supports them.  So, I'm going to take your claim that civil servants have access to these databases with a grain of salt.

[3OctaveFart]

That is exactly who Nowhere In Time is. He's fucking Vizzini.