The reason why Robin Williams killed himself

[BobGrau]

Drugs are for the weak - you take em.

Ah, I see... so suddenly they DO have an effect. Make up yer mind.

(Oh wait, this is a 'politics' thread - the whole point is to have already made up your mind)

[Quick Karl]

SSRIs do more damage than good -- only those wedded to the industry for their own financial interests refuse to look at the facts.

EVERY mass-shooter since Columbine has been on SSRIs...

You'd be better off giving ADHD (a newly invented disorder that was once called a normal kid that just needed a smack to get them to sit the fuck down and pay attention), and the depressed, a joint.

For 200,000-years of homo-sapiens existence, there was no such thing as ADHD... it is an invented disorder, invented by the disordered that take NO responsibility for what their fucking experiments do to the innocent (Columbine, Sandy Hook) and rush to blame their political adversaries for the destruction they are complicit in.

Fucking pussies of the highest order imaginable.

[RealCool Daddio]

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I think I'm going to have a beer!
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Drugs are for the weak - you take em.

You are the intellectual equivalent of the house wine at a suburban Indian restaurant.

[Quick Karl]

You are the intellectual equivalent of the house wine at a suburban Indian restaurant.

Yet you cannot tear yourself away from me, huh... fucking idiot.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Yet you cannot tear yourself away from me, huh... fucking idiot.

People amuse themselves with plants.  And you, even.

[BobGrau]

EVERY mass-shooter since Columbine has been on SSRIs...

No, every mass-shooter since columbine has been on guns.


...you'll no doubt be fascinated to hear that I get my ssris free because I live in some sort of evil socialist hive-brood. Hail satan! 

[onan]

Only a complete fool would make a claim that mental illness is relatively new. There is no need to debate the issue. The sheer stupidity of the claim makes any other position that person would make questionable.

I don't mind doing a Pavlov maneuver every so often. But I don't expect more than drooling as a response.

[analog kid]

...you'll no doubt be fascinated to hear that I get my ssris free because I live in some sort of evil socialist hive-brood. Hail satan! 

[aldousburbank]

Fucking pussies of the highest order imaginable.

This concept should warrant it's own thread- and it reminds me of how much I love seeing Zepparella shows.

[Yorkshire pud]

75-years ago bipolar didn't exist - people dealt with their problems as best they could, including their bouts of depression, and an industry of left-wing parasites weren't making a living off of them while providing absolutely zero remedial effect, and demanding the public at large pay for it...

Stop taking your SSRI's - cold turkey. I dare you.

Just how have you gone through life not learning anything since you were eight?  I can only guess you haven't had any interaction with other humans that you could learn from. This leaves you listening to right wing radio blow hards and then trying to work out what it is they've said but having nothing else to compare and contrast with, so in your mind you think you're thinking in a critical way.

That's really not what thinking is son. Truly, it isn't.

[Quick Karl]

That's really not what thinking is son. Truly, it isn't.

Says the village idiot...

[Quick Karl]

Only a complete fool would make a claim that mental illness is relatively new. There is no need to debate the issue. The sheer stupidity of the claim makes any other position that person would make questionable.

I don't mind doing a Pavlov maneuver every so often. But I don't expect more than drooling as a response.

Only a guilty douche would refuse to acknowledge that some of life's difficulties are just that, plain old difficulties and not voodoo mental illnesses that parasites like you endeavor to feed yourself off of. The truth is it is your own mental illness that is the problem, and you project it onto everyone you can in a desperate fool's attempt to validate your own sense of worthlessness.

[Quick Karl]

This concept should warrant it's own thread- and it reminds me of how much I love seeing Zepparella shows.

I still say you are the smartest fucker on this entire forum.

[Quick Karl]

No, every mass-shooter since columbine has been on guns.

Is is NOT guns that are are threat to society - it is mental cases. No doubt you and onot will agree, based on introspection and self-knowledge...

[onan]

Only a guilty douche would refuse to acknowledge that some of life's difficulties are just that, plain old difficulties and not voodoo mental illnesses that parasites like you endeavor to feed yourself off of. The truth is it is your own mental illness that is the problem, and you project it onto everyone you can in a desperate fool's attempt to validate your own sense of worthlessness.

Notice the drool, folks.

[Yorkshire pud]

Says the village idiot...

::Sigh:: Again; you don't insult me qunt. Nothing you can say to me will hurt me, why should it? In some ways (not all I admit) I pity you and your lack of respect for yourself and that extended to you from others. Why do you post on this site when all you do is go whining to MV if it doesn't go your way?

By the way, any news on American Spring V2.0?

[yumyumtree]

It was actually the 1940s when Frances Farmer was involuntarily hospitalized. Usually I do better factchecking. But the point is, these things existed even if not well-understood, or called by the same names. Freud did his work in the 19th century.
I think it's true that ADHD is over-diagnosed. I believe that PTSD is over-diagnosed. But it's a big leap to say that they don't exist and I would certainly never make that leap.
Nobody has brought up autism, but Michael Savage got in huge trouble a few years ago got shooting his mouth off and actually saying some of the same things QuickKarl is saying about ADHD and other conditions, so I think it's relevant. I don't know if the autism spectrum is over-diagnosed. On the far end of the spectrum, it seems unlikely. If a child has to wear a helmet to keep from banging her head on the wall, that's probably not somebody's imagination. I think it's possible that some of these problems may be more common due to things in the environment or society and that makes sense to me. Unlike a lot of Georges guests, I don't think its vaccinations if stuff in the water. GMO foods, maybe. I read once that there was more autism spectrum in Silicon Valley, and always thought that was interesting.

I think another reason that some things seem more common is that people, including fragile people, are living longer. I think this is obvious with Alzheimer's and other kinds of senile dementia. But, say for the sake of argument, there's a link between being born premature and some of these problems? More premature babies survive now. Infant mortality used to be higher. What if there was a correalation between the things that killed these babies and these mental problems? Boy babies are said to be more likely to die between conception and one year. Now medical interventions are saving them. But notice that a lot if these problems are more prevalent in boys and men.

[b_dubb]

This concept should warrant it's own thread- and it reminds me of how much I love seeing Zepparella shows.

Do you have to be 4'1 to join Zepparella? That guitar looks enormous.

[onan]

To get a better handle on the extent to which the reported associations may or may not be the result of confounding factors, they used a "quasi-experimental" sibling-comparison design and controlled for statistical covariates that varied within families.

The investigators identified all individuals born in Sweden from 1973 to 2008 (3,300,708 offspring of 1,736,735 mothers) and linked them with various outcomes through 2009.

They report that compared with term birth, preterm birth was associated with greater risk for infant mortality, autism, and ADHD, independent of shared familial confounding factors and statistical covariates, "consistent with a causal inference," the researchers say.

In contrast, associations between preterm birth and other outcomes, namely, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, suicide, and some academic and social problems, were either greatly or completely attenuated in fixed-effects models, suggesting that confounding factors, such as environmental factors, are involved.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/811982

[b_dubb]

onan when will you learn that science is for Liberals. Christian Dogma fearing"Conservatives" are protected by the healing power of the Holy Placebo Effect.

I hate the fact that this thread exists. But I like how onan is trying to redeem it. onan - 1. Internet troll douches - -1,983,331,899,910,320,732

[Yorkshire pud]

onan when will you learn that science is for Liberals. Christian Dogma fearing"Conservatives" are protected by the healing power of the Holy Placebo Effect.

I hate the fact that this thread exists. But I like how onan is trying to redeem it. onan - 1. Internet troll douches - -1,983,331,899,910,320,732

The supreme irony being that the Christian dogma fearing conservatives are so far up their own arses they cannot see the irony that they're as unChristian as it is possible to be.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

I hate the fact that this thread exists.

You mean the one you've posted in five times? 

[yumyumtree]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/811982

I clicked this and it asked me to log in.

[Quick Karl]

The supreme irony being that the Christian dogma fearing conservatives are so far up their own arses they cannot see the irony that they're as unChristian as it is possible to be.

Says the psychotic expert on what it is to be Christian...

[onan]

I clicked this and it asked me to log in.

Only some psychiatric disorders that have been previously linked to preterm birth are actually caused by early birth, whereas others appear to be related to genetics, new research suggests.

In the largest study of its kind to date, researchers confirmed the strong link between preterm birth and the risk for autism and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

However, they also found that other problems that have previously been closely linked to preterm birth, including severe mental illness, learning problems, suicide, and economic woes, may instead be more closely related to other conditions that family members share.

"Interventions and preventative efforts aimed at lowering the prevalence of preterm birth are essential. But our results also suggest that families where one child is born preterm need wraparound services because all of the offspring in such families need assistance," Brian D'Onofrio, PhD, associate professor in the Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences at Indiana University Bloomington, told Medscape Medical News.

The study was published online September 25 in JAMA Psychiatry.

Surprising Findings

Previous studies linking preterm birth to various mental illnesses have been unable to rigorously examine whether the reported associations are caused by confounding factors rather than the harmful effects of being born preterm, the researchers note.

To get a better handle on the extent to which the reported associations may or may not be the result of confounding factors, they used a "quasi-experimental" sibling-comparison design and controlled for statistical covariates that varied within families.

The investigators identified all individuals born in Sweden from 1973 to 2008 (3,300,708 offspring of 1,736,735 mothers) and linked them with various outcomes through 2009.

They report that compared with term birth, preterm birth was associated with greater risk for infant mortality, autism, and ADHD, independent of shared familial confounding factors and statistical covariates, "consistent with a causal inference," the researchers say.

In contrast, associations between preterm birth and other outcomes, namely, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, suicide, and some academic and social problems, were either greatly or completely attenuated in fixed-effects models, suggesting that confounding factors, such as environmental factors, are involved.

This suggests, Dr. D'Onofrio said, "that part of the association with severe mental illness and all of the association with suicide isn't due to preterm birth; it is due to something else, something that siblings share."

"We were surprised by these latter findings because they are not consistent with other studies," Dr. D'Onofrio told Medscape Medical News.

According to the World Health Organization, in both developing and industrialized countries, more than 1 in 10 children are born prematurely, and the numbers are growing.

"Our study," Dr. D'Onofrio said, "is part of a growing interest in research and public health initiatives focusing on very early risk. When you look at early risk factors, they don't just predict 1 type of problem; they frequently predict lots of problems with long-term implications."

They hope their findings will inform "etiologic theory, risk assessment, and follow-up practices to prevent adverse outcomes associated with preterm birth."

The research was supported by grants from the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, the National Institute of Mental Health, the Swedish Research Council, and the Swedish Prison and Probation Services. The authors have disclosed no relevant financial relationships.

JAMA Psychiatry. Published online September 25, 2013. Abstract

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/811982

[yumyumtree]

Thanks for posting all that. Back to the drawing board, as Huckleberry Hound used to say.

I think even lay people (well, maybe some present company excepted) understand the genetic connection. It can be observed anecdotally.

[PB the Deplorable]

Only a complete fool would make a claim that mental illness is relatively new. There is no need to debate the issue. The sheer stupidity of the claim makes any other position that person would make questionable.

I don't mind doing a Pavlov maneuver every so often. But I don't expect more than drooling as a response.

I wonder if there is not more mental illness now then there was in the past just because of the complexities of modern life.  It can get overwhelming for anyone sometimes.

Or because there are more drugs and more readily available, more opportunity for addiction

It also seems to be there are more incredibly selfish people, leading to much worse parenting.. and with extended families separated geographically, the saner family members aren't there to look out for the kids..

[BobGrau]

Is is NOT guns that are are threat to society - it is mental cases. No doubt you and onot will agree, based on introspection and self-knowledge...

Again, you go back and forth between "Mental illness is a myth" and then diagnosing mental illness in those who don't agree with you... does it depend which hand you're typing with?

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

does it depend which hand you're beating off with?

Fixed.

[Yorkshire pud]

Again, you go back and forth between "Mental illness is a myth" and then diagnosing mental illness in those who don't agree with you... does it depend which hand you're typing with?

It is QK we're talking about here remember. He takes cognitive dissonance to an art form. He's the bloke who opened a post dreaming the American Spring would take place...However when only ten did turn up, he realised it made him look a bit silly, so he then changed tack and declared it a socialist/ democrat/ commie plot to put the patriots in a bad light.