Art Bell Quits Dark Matter

[ItsOver]

Well said.   

@others

And no, I don't work on their software, but I have worked on streaming internet radio software in the past.  I am now my own boss, so my ultimatums work pretty damned well now.  LOL

Try it with your customers, your real boss.

[jblank]

Anyone recall him at the beginning praising how great satellite radio was?

*Raises hand*

Funny how it starts to suck when they stop giving in to his demands.

[Jackstar]

Art expects us to accept that SiriusXM does not know how to stream to potential millions of listeners.

They do not. Do you understand networking architecture?

What a lame reason to try and build a case around. I have seen no proof of any major streaming issues. I had zero issues.

Friend, the number of issues you have is demonstrably not "zero."

[Marc.Knight]

*Raises hand*

Funny how it starts to suck when they stop giving in to his demands.

I agree, he was enthralled with all of the "time" he was allowed to have in between infrequent commercials.  Art is the type to wake up this weekend and severely regret what he did yesterday.

[indigoo]

I really suspect that you do not know the definition of the words "can not."

Semantics. Point is, he won't. It stopped him before. I don't think he has a case this time.

[Grov505th]

Ok I listen online to a hell of alot more then Dark Matter, I have spent hours at work listening to music, talk and hell even WHOLE NASCAR races (yes I am a redneck) and I have had no issue with dropping programs.

Sounds like he gave up with the first sign of trouble.
Like someone said before..you have to give it a little bit of time to grow your new fan base or actual add to your exisiting fan base.
You just dont go into a new job no matter how big you are and starting demanding shit.

hell I dont even care any more.

[HumanBeing]

They do not. Do you understand networking architecture?
Friend, the number of issues you have is demonstrably not "zero."

OOooo the big bad wolf.
Like someone else said so poignantly a little earlier... "How's Art's cock and balls taste?"

[Jackstar]

Semantics. Point is, he won't. It stopped him before. I don't think he has a case this time.

I acknowledge your point, now that you have bothered to construct and present it correctly and effectively. You are welcome!

He might not have a case, but he might. We shall see, eventually.

I am being paid to sit here and wait to find out--aren't you?

[jblank]

You guys are fuckin' mean

No, we live in the real world, where if you CONTINUALLY fuck over your listeners, try to force your boss into doing things that are completely outside of their business model, and repeatedly take your ball and go home when things don't go your way, people get angry. Any hostility that Art is receiving is of Art's doing, this is HIS FAULT. Sirius/XM wasn't going to take him off the air, he made a threat to them, after six week of "work", and they (rightfully) said that they don't give programming away for free, he didn't like that answer, and being the petulant child that he is, quits.

If that is somehow unreasonable to you, then go be a new employee somewhere, and after 30 days on the job, start telling your employee to do things and say if they don't do them, you will quit, and see what happens.

[DontFearTheReaper]

SiriusXM is a broken model, see my old post.

Streaming issues CAN be fixed with more buffering and better connection control.  I am a programmer and know this to be true, but it doesn't take a programmer to know this.   Clearly they don't know shit about their streaming stuff, remember the first thing Art did was to get them to change their time-out feature to 4 hours.  Lame that they'd even have such a thing for a paying service!

WRONG.  They came looking for Art.  He's holding the cards.  He threw his bet in, they didn't.  They refuse to do what it takes to help make Dark Matter a better show.  And he isn't asking for a lot.   This is Sirius being unreasonable.  But that's no surprise - $15 a month is unreasonable for RADIO and a SHITTY web interface anyway.   You can say whatever you want, but their web stuff is SHIT, and that's coming from someone who never had a problem with their stream.

Currently, SiriusXM has 27 million subscribers. Meanwhile, Art Bell currently has a WordPress website with a couple of audio clips and a half-baked apology note. Pretty sure someone's business model is broken, but it's not SiriusXM.

[ItsOver]

Again, this is what kills me. We waited years for him to come back, and he throws in the towel after 6 weeks. I think this beats even the most pessimistic of predictions.

It was like some sick soap opera playing out again.  Thinking about leaving the country, last minute show replays instead of showing-up, "the back problem,"hell, it was like years of his usual drama queen crap compressed into 6 weeks.  Thankfully, it didn't drag on this time.   

[HumanBeing]

Currently, SiriusXM has 27 million subscribers. Meanwhile, Art Bell currently has a WordPress website with a couple of audio clips and a half-baked apology note. Pretty sure someone's business model is broken, but it's not SiriusXM.

haha nailed it 

[jblank]

I don't disagree that the internet stream needed work but Art didn't have to close up shop because of it. SiriusXM needs to make it easier for international listeners, who either have to fudge an address in the United States or pirate/YouTube the show the next day. Personally I hardly had an issue with the stream (though I have a car and home radio too) except for the slight delay, so who knows how many of the problems were poor connections for users? I still contend that this was seen as an "out" for Art Bell and he'll ride the excuse for as long as needed.

Exactly. It's like building a new house and after living in it for six weeks, you realize that you should have put a new front door on the house, but instead of just buying a new door, you burn the fucker down and move to the Philippines.

He took a hammer to a fly when a flyswatter would have been sufficient.

[Jackstar]

No, we live in the real world,

I was actually referring to the incessant use of racial slurs, but--as you said--you live in the real world.

Maybe you didn't even notice, which would be just like a privileged, white male.

[Marc.Knight]

Currently, SiriusXM has 27 million subscribers. Meanwhile, Art Bell currently has a WordPress website with a couple of audio clips and a half-baked apology note. Pretty sure someone's business model is broken, but it's not SiriusXM.

Impecable logic.

[jblank]

I am a trucker.

Oh, so this is your fault then.   

[DanTSX]

They do not. Do you understand networking architecture?
Friend, the number of issues you have is demonstrably not "zero."

yes


It appears that they are stuck with an architecture that was sufficient for prior estimates of customer demand for streaming,  and a missed projection of user's front end device (smartphones)

Pretty common.  A biz couldn't read the chickenbones back In 2006 to figure out what 2013 would look like.  They are likely doing the best they can with the tech they have while planning future overhaul.

[jblank]

They do not. Do you understand networking architecture?
Friend, the number of issues you have is demonstrably not "zero."

Funny how the streaming works perfectly fine when I stream his show, Howard Stern's, or NFL Radio's. I've never had a streaming problem on my PC's, iPhone, or iPad.

[Eddie Coyle]

I am being paid to sit here and wait to find out--aren't you?

       Still getting that allowance from mommy, Mikey boy?

[Grov505th]

Funny how the streaming works perfectly fine when I stream his show, Howard Stern's, or NFL Radio's. I've never had a streaming problem on my PC's, iPhone, or iPad.

I second this.

[DontFearTheReaper]

Another thing - if this was such a systemic problem, wouldn't fans of other shows (Stern, NASCAR, NHL, NBA, etc.) be having the same issues?

And it clearly can't be because their is an inordinate amount of server load during Art's shows - Art himself said that the caller/listener base was too low.

Beyond the timeout feature and some initial quirkiness to be learned, SiriusXM's web player has not been an impediment to ANY other show being viable on SiriusXM. And the vast majority of talk shows on SiriusXM are calller-based and have no problems getting enough calls.

Art came back out of spite (well-placed spite, but spite nonetheless), thought the show was going to have the same audience as the Coast days, and when it didn't he chose to run away rather than build up the audience.

On his first night back, he said that nothing bothered him more than being called a serial retiree. Less than 2 months later, he absolutely validated that label. That is not even debatable at this point.

[Jackstar]

go be a new employee somewhere, and after 30 days on the job, start telling your employee to do things and say if they don't do them, you will quit, and see what happens.

This is rather OT, but I must tell you--I actually HAVE done exactly that, and the results have been nothing short of thrilling and rewarding, in both my personal and professional life.

I think you meant "telling your boss" up there, but that's okay, I can tell you weren't hired for your linguistic proficiency.

[area51drone]

Try it with your customers, your real boss.

LOL, you don't have a fucking clue.   Keep eating the shit, rat.

[ItsOver]

Oh, so this is your fault then.   

But of course!  And that mean, old Sirius!

[jblank]

Currently, SiriusXM has 27 million subscribers. Meanwhile, Art Bell currently has a WordPress website with a couple of audio clips and a half-baked apology note. Pretty sure someone's business model is broken, but it's not SiriusXM.

KABOOM! 10 Megaton blast right there! Well said!!!!!

[ItsOver]

LOL, you don't have a fucking clue.   Keep eating the shit, rat.

Nice customer relations.  Sorry, I don't eat what your serving.

[area51drone]

This is rather OT, but I must tell you--I actually HAVE done exactly that, and the results have been nothing short of thrilling and rewarding, in both my personal and professional life.

I think you meant "telling your boss" up there, but that's okay, I can tell you weren't hired for your linguistic proficiency.

Jackstar, I think the world changed last night.  You and I are agreeing on everything.  Everyone, watch out, the end is nigh!

[Jackstar]

yes


It appears that they are stuck with an architecture that was sufficient for prior estimates of customer demand for streaming,  and a missed projection of user's front end device (smartphones)

Pretty common.  A biz couldn't read the chickenbones back In 2006 to figure out what 2013 would look like.  They are likely doing the best they can with the tech they have while planning future overhaul.

The whole "huge fanbase outside of the U.S. + an Internet exists now" seems like a really obvious thing that any CEO worth his suit could have forseen, though. I would love to see the postmortem* on how this deal collapsed!

*: two years from now

[jblank]

I was actually referring to the incessant use of racial slurs, but--as you said--you live in the real world.

Maybe you didn't even notice, which would be just like a privileged, white male.

I haven't read a single racial slur in this whole thread. Tell ya what, this is the third time you've brought up my race to me, so if anyone has a problem with race, it seems to be YOU.

[Jackstar]

Jackstar, I think the world changed last night.  You and I are agreeing on everything.  Everyone, watch out, the end is nigh!

We already did agree on everything, Shill. You just get paid to do so!