Call 1-800-fUCKYO to sign up for Obamacare. No kidding.

[SciFiAuthor]

I admit to being a political alien on the outside looking in; I think you R, D's and L's are all dithering in minutiae instead of seeing the forest for the trees. But it always seems to be the Democrat left that tosses out the racism argument shutdown. You guys seem to use it when you can't think of anything else to say. Why is that? You don't have the history to back it up.

It wasn't the Democratic Party that was abolitionist. 150 years ago, you WERE the ones carrying the Confederate flag. The Republicans never carried it. Nor during the reconstruction were you picking up the pro-black banner, you were the ones against that and beating up carpet baggers and republicans. Only when your politicians concluded that their vote could be bought and sent out the marching orders to the base did you FINALLY take their side, and even then it required the Republican Party to push the civil rights bill through Congress. A decade ago, you still had a Klansman in office: Robert Byrd. This is credibility?

Your issues are borne of racism. Look at abortion, Margaret Sanger was an anti-humanist racist from hell. She wanted it pushed so those halfwits and brown people wouldn't breed so much. Well, where are we today? We live in a world where an inordinate amount of abortions are black and low IQ. She got her precise wish as she openly laid it out when founding Planned Parenthood as a eugenic organization. Yet you scream racism? Just because an issue is wrapped in a turd of propaganda and sold as a war against women doesn't mean that the core anti-humanist idea is a good one. It just means you're being had.

Or, how about gay marriage? It wasn't the democrats or liberals that have been screaming for it since the beginning. It was the Libertarians, and only when the issue was taken up by a failing mayor of San Francisco did it become a national issue that the Democrats FINALLY jumped on--but only because that mayor needed a way to deflect from his failures. Yet you silly fuckers still don't frame it right. Instead of asking why the government is dictating what two adults can get married in the first place (the government should be informed that two adults married solely for legal purposes, they should not be asked for permission) you're out trying to change a law instead of getting rid of a law altogether. Really?

So where's the beef guys? Why do you buy into this shit?

[Quick Karl]

When debating an adolescent, facts, reason, and logic, are irrelevant. The second you make a rational point, or defeat their argument with a fact, they will become hysterical, call you names, and try to get their friends to hate you too - just like in 7th grade.

Its in their handbook: Rules for Adolescents.

Let's examine this again.


The Democrats were the party of slavery.  They passed the Jim Crow laws.  They stood up for segregation.  They were the Klan.  Until very recently the senior Democrat US Senator, and highly respected within his party (Robert Byrd) had gotten his start as a local Klan leader.  He is thankfully gone now.  The Rev Martin Luther King was a Republican, as were most blacks.

A higher percentage of R's than D's voted for the civil rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.  2 of the D's that voted against it in 1964 were Senator Al Gore Sr (D Tennessee) - Windbag Al Gore's dad - and Bill Clinton's mentor Senator William Fulbright (D Arkansas).  They both even joined the 54 day Democrat filibuster.

It was a Democrat Administration that rounded up and interred the Japanese.

The Dems instituted minimum wage laws as a way to price blacks out.


It's the Democrat political machines that run most of America's big cities - including our wretched inner cities.  They control the schools, the police, the court system, the city governments, all of it.  For the most part our cities are one party enclaves.

Their policies have resulted in illiteracy, unemployment, high crime rates, urban blight, poverty, broken families, addiction and despair in the areas they control by large margins.  They have high tax rates and have driven business, jobs, and entrepreneurs out. 

Needless to say, black America isn't doing well under this.  Yet the leadership refuses to change - blaming anything and everything else for their failure.  Their answer is to double down.  They buy votes with handouts and have created dependency.  That's no way for people to live.


Have you not noticed it's the Libs - always the Libs - who are out counting noses, deciding who is in what racial group, where they are, what they are doing, all with he goal of dividing us?


Think about the black kids growing up out there getting lousy 'educations' in unsafe schools, before dropping out.  All they hear is how racist America is, how they don't have a chance..  How is any of that helping them?  Is it a surprise so many of them give up before they even get started?   All that destructive talk courtesy of the Democrats.



You say the Teabaggers went batshit crazy when a black man was elected. 

I say after 8 long years of a globalist Big Government hack like George W Bush and his spending and getting us into 2 stupid wars - I say when we elected a nobody from the most corrupt political machine in America, someone that the only thing we knew about him being that his 2 mentors were a 60s domestic terrorist and a reverend at a Marxist racist church, someone who was giving out code words like 'spread the wealth around', 'fundamentally change this nation', 'you didn't build that', who talked about people 'clinging the their guns and religion', who stated he 'stood with the Moslems' and didn't seem to grasp the threat of radical Islam - we looked at that and said no.

And like a typical Lib, you apparently just looked at race. 


You caught that right?  You're the one concerned with his skin color.

[WildCard]

I hope the anti-Tea Party types are proud of their associates - Occupy destroying downtowns, Critical Mass harassing people trying to get home, people like those in the picture trying to smear Americans who are trying to reign our government back in, and all the other creeps whether in DC or just around town.

Those were right wing infiltrators.

SciFi,
Are you saying we don't need the governments permission to get married but we do to have an abortion since it's "anti-humanist"?

[RealCool Daddio]

It's been shown over and over these people are left wing infiltrators there to smear the Tea Party.

Always easy to spot a left wing infiltrator at a Tea Party gathering - just look for someone who isn't white, quoting the bible, or waving a confederate flag.

[RealCool Daddio]

When debating an adolescent, facts, reason, and logic, are irrelevant. The second you make a rational point, or defeat their argument with a fact, they will become hysterical, call you names, and try to get their friends to hate you too - just like in 7th grade.

Its in their handbook: Rules for Adolescents.

This seems to be your standard retort when confronted by overwhelming reason and lucid thinking - to push back with the same old schoolyard taunt (ironic indeed) accusing others of being children.  I used to think the "Quick" in your forum name referred to your lovemaking, but I see it is in reference to how rapidly you will pull out the single weapon in your childish arsenal.  What's next, stomping up and down and holding your breath until ObamaCare is repealed?

[Foodlion]

Always easy to spot a left wing infiltrator at a Tea Part gathering - just look for someone who isn't white, quoting the bible, or waving a confederate flag.

Cause we all know Alan Lee Keyes is a liberal infiltrator who attends the Tea Party gatherings. 

Riiight.

Also, is this what you'd classify as an Infiltrator?
Proof That The TEA Party IS NOT Racist!

[Foodlion]

This seems to be your standard retort when confronted by overwhelming reason and lucid thinking - to push back with the same old schoolyard taunt (ironic indeed) accusing others of being children.  I used to think the "Quick" in your forum name referred to your lovemaking, but I see it is in reference to how rapidly you will pull out the single weapon in your childish arsenal.  What's next, stomping up and down and holding your breath until ObamaCare is repealed?

Daddio, don't take offense to my responses and if you do, I'll understand, because I think it's fair game either way.

I just want you to know that just because I disagree with some of what you say, we don't have to be enemies or anything.  We grew up with different situations and that made us who we are.

But please for the love of god, tell me what is good about this Obamacare? I want a down to earth explanation on how it's good? I'm begging for a solid response from someone that I can agree on.

[NowhereInTime]

I admit to being a political alien on the outside looking in; I think you R, D's and L's are all dithering in minutiae instead of seeing the forest for the trees. But it always seems to be the Democrat left that tosses out the racism argument shutdown. You guys seem to use it when you can't think of anything else to say. Why is that? You don't have the history to back it up.

It wasn't the Democratic Party that was abolitionist. 150 years ago, you WERE the ones carrying the Confederate flag. The Republicans never carried it. Nor during the reconstruction were you picking up the pro-black banner, you were the ones against that and beating up carpet baggers and republicans. Only when your politicians concluded that their vote could be bought and sent out the marching orders to the base did you FINALLY take their side, and even then it required the Republican Party to push the civil rights bill through Congress. A decade ago, you still had a Klansman in office: Robert Byrd. This is credibility?

Your issues are borne of racism. Look at abortion, Margaret Sanger was an anti-humanist racist from hell. She wanted it pushed so those halfwits and brown people wouldn't breed so much. Well, where are we today? We live in a world where an inordinate amount of abortions are black and low IQ. She got her precise wish as she openly laid it out when founding Planned Parenthood as a eugenic organization. Yet you scream racism? Just because an issue is wrapped in a turd of propaganda and sold aswar against women doesn't mean that the core anti-humanist idea is a good one. It just means you're being had.

Or, how about gay marriage? It wasn't the democrats or liberals that have been screaming for it since the beginning. It was the Libertarians, and only when the issue was taken up by a failing mayor of San Francisco did it become a national issue that the Democrats FINALLY jumped on--but only because that mayor needed a way to deflect from his failures. Yet you silly fuckers still don't frame it right. Instead of asking why the government is dictating what two adults can get married in the first place (the government should be informed that two adults married solely for legal purposes, they should not be asked for permission) you're out trying to change a law instead of getting rid of a law altogether. Really?

So where's the beef guys? Why do you buy into this shit?

you know that is disingenuous.  You, Paper Boy, and others keep throwing this "well gee golly its the Dems who were racist first" crapola out there when we all know that,  starting with Truman and forced military integration through Kennedy & Johnson with the Civil rights act that the parties turned on a heel.  This is what I mean about conservatives and parsed facts. It was Nixon,  tepidly, and St Ronald, lustily, who expidited the conversions of southern white dems from Dixie Crats to Republican.  Remember "welfare queens" & " young bucks"? Conservatives code. Enough with half truth crap.

[PB the Deplorable]

you know that is disingenuous.  You, Paper Boy, and others keep throwing this "well gee golly its the Dems who were racist first" crapola...

That party has a disgusting history.  Sure there have been and are good people in it trying to change it over the years, but as pointed out, it is still intentionally destroying black families and neighborhoods, and it is still the one counting noses and trying to keep us divided us by race.

That party wouldn't have existed from post Civil War until the 1970's if it hadn't been the vehicle for black suppression.  It wouldn't have existed from the 1970's to now without creating dependency in exchange for votes. 

Worst of all is the daily drumbeat of insisting backs and minorities don't have a chance because the country is racist. It isn't true and all it does is create hopelessness and despair, causing kids to drop out and turn to crime and drugs.  All just for votes.   

And people in that party want to name call the rest of us?

[Quick Karl]

When debating an adolescent, facts, reason, and logic, are irrelevant. The second you make a rational point, or defeat their argument with a fact, they will become hysterical, call you names, and try to get their friends to hate you too - just like in 7th grade.

Its in their handbook: Rules for Adolescents.

The following quote substantiates my argument better than I could have asked for.

This seems to be your standard retort when confronted by overwhelming reason and lucid thinking - to push back with the same old schoolyard taunt (ironic indeed) accusing others of being children.  I used to think the "Quick" in your forum name referred to your lovemaking, but I see it is in reference to how rapidly you will pull out the single weapon in your childish arsenal.  What's next, stomping up and down and holding your breath until ObamaCare is repealed?

[RealCool Daddio]

Daddio, don't take offense to my responses and if you do, I'll understand, because I think it's fair game either way.

I just want you to know that just because I disagree with some of what you say, we don't have to be enemies or anything.  We grew up with different situations and that made us who we are.

But please for the love of god, tell me what is good about this Obamacare? I want a down to earth explanation on how it's good? I'm begging for a solid response from someone that I can agree on.

No offense taken, it is a reasonable question.  The OCA is far from perfect, but also far from the healthcare Armageddon the far right believes it (or wants it) to be.  Access to affordable healthcare builds a stronger middle middle class, and allows more lower income Americans to join the middle class, in a number of ways.  One of the key ways it does this is by encouraging mobility of workers - a free market of workers, if you will - by no longer turning employees into indentured servants when they or a family member become ill.  The OCA will ensure that these people will still have access to insurance, even if they change jobs or lose their job. 

The mobility of workers helps drive a stronger economy, and equally important, better positions the US to compete globally with economies with more universal access to healthcare.  Right now, that is pretty much every single western economy except the USA.

[Quick Karl]

I truly believe that most of the faux leftists spewing forth absurdities here, could care less about politics, the poor, health care affordability, or the shut down or debt ceiling. Frankly, from the conversations posted, it is obvious they either do not comprehend all of the elements of the debate, or willfully skip over the parts they cannot process, intellectually, or defeat, and then get mad and start calling you names - precisely as a 14-yr old would do when they can't get their way.

I believe they enter into these debates for the sole purpose of fighting. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if I learned that they participate in other forums taking up the role of a right-thinker, and use the very same juvenile tactics against the left thinkers.

If you disagree that's fine; frankly, I believe you are intellectually incapable of analyzing any data to arrive at a valid conclusion, or just refuse to because you will feel like you lost something. But if your response to losing a debate is to act like a pimply-faced angry 12-yr old boy, or an angry 14-yr old girl that couldn't get her way, it shouldn't surprise or offend you when someone points it out - but then like clockwork, you will come back with something even more stupid.

If that makes you feel like you've won a debate, then I give you the crown!

I know - you're rubber and I am glue...

[RealCool Daddio]

If you disagree that's fine; frankly, I believe you are intellectually incapable of analyzing any data to arrive at a valid conclusion, or just refuse to because you will feel like you lost something. But if your response to losing a debate is to act like a pimply-faced angry 12-yr old boy, or an angry 14-yr old girl that couldn't get her way, it shouldn't surprise or offend you when someone points it out - but then like clockwork, you will come back with something even more stupid.

You really need to find some new material.  Your range is as limited as your intellect.

[onan]

I truly believe that most of the faux leftists spewing forth absurdities here, could care less about politics, the poor, health care affordability, or the shut down or debt ceiling.

Again you don't know what you are fucking talking about. You are the worst kind of idiot. One that has two classes in logical thought and think they are clever. Sometimes I see people that have picked up two rocks and think they know the mountain. You aren't bright enough to pick up a rock.

[West of the Rockies]

Such statements do call attention to the offensive and ludicrous notion that only real 'meericans have values.  Unless you're a psychotic, you have some family values.  Reductionist thinking (my side, all good -- your side, all bad) will only reveal one's own dubious critical thinking skills.  Oh, you'll be popular in the echo chamber, but you won't draw any fence sitters or make someone "on the other side" ponder their positions.

[SciFiAuthor]

Those were right wing infiltrators.

SciFi,
Are you saying we don't need the governments permission to get married but we do to have an abortion since it's "anti-humanist"?

Wild,

No, you shouldn't need the government's permission to get married. Give me one good reason why it's the government's business? Anything, just one solid reason why we have laws about adults getting married.

Abortion itself isn't anti-humanist, the creation of our abortion laws and the pro-choice movement were. Look up the crap Sanger used to spew about the "undesirable" people and see how that ultimately factored into abortion law. It wasn't a war on women, it was keeping the population of minorities down. That's why you have a legal system that defines an unborn fetus as a person covered by equal protection of law in the case of someone punching a pregnant woman in the stomach and causing a miscarriage: that results in a murder charge. Yet, forceps it out in a clinic and it's not a person covered by equal protection. Having laws that define people as a person and not a person based on situation is a really bad idea, that's how Hitler made genocide legal. It's certainly been a great way for American society to perform a whole lot of black abortions over the years.

I just don't see how you guys can lalalalala blindly support this stuff in light of its history and underlying legal implications. Repeal all that shit and write a new law like a normal country does for Christ's sake.

[SciFiAuthor]

you know that is disingenuous.  You, Paper Boy, and others keep throwing this "well gee golly its the Dems who were racist first" crapola out there when we all know that,  starting with Truman and forced military integration through Kennedy & Johnson with the Civil rights act that the parties turned on a heel.  This is what I mean about conservatives and parsed facts. It was Nixon,  tepidly, and St Ronald, lustily, who expidited the conversions of southern white dems from Dixie Crats to Republican.  Remember "welfare queens" & " young bucks"? Conservatives code. Enough with half truth crap.

I'm willing to back up everything I said. Which specific "half truth" do you want me to cover and what specifically leads you to believe it to be a half truth? We'll start there. And be careful, I'm not a conservative.

[onan]

The question was asked: “what is good about this Obamacare?”

I can’t begin to explain all the components. I do know a few things about it, however.
First as things are now most insurance plans are not completely comprehensive in care. Less than 2% of existing individual health plans provide complete coverage. On average plans cover about 76% of total care.

The ACA provides:
1.   Ambulatory patient services, what is normally called outpatient care.
2.   Prescription drugs which used to be limited to a formulary will now be available without an extra cost. It doesn’t mean all drugs will be available but some in every class will be.
3.   Emergency care, although usually covered, until the ACA some policies required preauthorization.
4.   Mental health Services, until the ACA, many policies had no coverage for mental illness.
5.   Hospitalization must now be covered by the insurer. There will most likely still be a 20% cost to the patient if out of pocket costs haven’t been met.
6.   Rehabilitative and habilitative services are now covered. Prior to the ACA rehab was often covered but habilitative treatment wasn’t. Habilitative services are to help overcome long term disabilities like multiple sclerosis.
7.   Preventive and wellness services, to me this is probably the deal maker. Wellness visits are rare in this country. Instead of running to the doctor when sick, having a medical consult to educate on healthier choices may well stem the tide of some chronic illnesses.
8.   Laboratory services are often restricted under current insurances, especially radiological tests. They now will be covered, at least partially and cannot be refused.
9.   Pediatric Care until the ACA few healthcare plans covered dental and eye services. That changes.
10.   Maternity and newborn care, the ACA makes it mandatory to provide at no extra cost. Until the ACA that wasn’t always the case.

The law also eliminates limits on essential medical expenses. Prohibits insurers from dropping or raising premiums if a person gets sick or has a preexisting condition. It also allows children to remain on their parents coverage until the age of 26.

[NowhereInTime]

You really need to find some new material.  Your range is as limited as your intellect.

RCD you are every bit the genius Steven Patrick himself is!  Awesome!

[PB the Deplorable]

ObamaCare has 2 purposes

The first and most important is for it to ruin the current system so we can't go back to it after ObamaCare is fully revealed to be the unworkable disaster it can't help but be - at which time people will demand 'something' be done.  That something being the actual goal of a Euro-style national healthcare system - which has been a long term goal of the 'Progressive' Fascists.

The second goal is to get the people that currently have healthcare insurance - you know, the regular folks that put in the time to get an education, and who get up and go to work everyday - to give them less care at higher prices so 'free' care can be given to illegal aliens who are soon to be legalized.  They in turn will become solid Democrat voters, sealing the end of our two party republic.

Of course Big Labor, Big Business, and Big Government is exempt from ObamaCare - the premium increases, the decline in services covered, the loss of jobs, the reduction in hours.  That is to all go on the backs of the regular middle class workers, as usual.


But, you know, don't watch Fox news, and it's really all just about Obama being black.

[FightTheFuture]

High premiums and $8,000 deductibles!

Sign me up, baby!!

[Quick Karl]

Now you've done it - now you're going to get scolded by the Czars for failing to tote the party line!

ObamaCare has 2 purposes

The first and most important is for it to ruin the current system so we can't go back to it after ObamaCare is fully revealed to be the unworkable disaster it can't help but be - at which time people will demand 'something' be done.  That something being the actual goal of a Euro-style national healthcare system - which has been a long term goal of the 'Progressive' Fascists.

The second goal is to get the people that currently have healthcare insurance - you know, the regular folks that put in the time to get an education, and who get up and go to work everyday - to give them less care at higher prices so 'free' care can be given to illegal aliens who are soon to be legalized.  They in turn will become solid Democrat voters, sealing the end of our two party republic.

Of course Big Labor, Big Business, and Big Government is exempt from ObamaCare - the premium increases, the decline in services covered, the loss of jobs, the reduction in hours.  That is to all go on the backs of the regular middle class workers, as usual.


But, you know, don't watch Fox news, and it's really all just about Obama being black.

[NowhereInTime]

But, you know, don't watch Fox news, and it's really all just about Obama being black.

No, just don't watch Fox news.

[NowhereInTime]

Now you've done it - now you're going to get scolded by the Czars for failing to tote the party line!

Quoth the Czar: "Nevermore"

[Quick Karl]

I know, he's just a misled, uneducated, Uncle Tom...

Three Questions with Dr. Ben Carson

[FightTheFuture]

I know, he's just a misled, uneducated, Uncle Tom...

Three Questions with Dr. Ben Carson

And he sure as hell doesn`t know anything about healthcare.

[onan]

I know, he's just a misled, uneducated, Uncle Tom...

Three Questions with Dr. Ben Carson

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. And obviously here neither does Dr. Ben Carson. Go ahead ask me why? no really ask me why? come on, you know you want to.

Well since you asked.

I see patients every day. I work with 2 doctors weekly. We spend the day together, we often call each other in the evening to confer about treatments.

Paperwork has been a nightmare for decades. DECADES. I work with some of the most complicated psychiatric situations you can imagine. Insurance has always been insinuating itself into treatment. FOR DECADES. I have to manage patients that have attempted suicide, needed multiple surgeries to repair injuries, at different hospitals. So please don't bring a shill on to tell me about paperwork.

You really are clueless about healthcare. CLUELESS.

[Quick Karl]

Yeah, with his education I am sure a few of the PhD's here in the Politics forum will put him in his place.

Onan is on ignore, but something tells me he just made my case...

And he sure as hell doesn`t know anything about healthcare.

[NowhereInTime]

Yeah, with his education I am sure a few of the PhD's here in the Politics forum will put him in his place.

Onan is on ignore, but something tells me he just made my case...

He did!  He absolutely affirmed you are clueless! Well done!!

[FightTheFuture]

One of the biggest problems with Obamacare, that I don`t see being discussed, is the fact that a lot of docs may not participate in the ACA   exchanges.

A recent survey of 1000 physicians conducted by Medical Group Management Association (MGMA), found over half have not decided whether or not they will participate with any new healthcare product(s) sold on an exchange.

Of those not participating in the exchanges, the top concern, listed by 64 percent of practices, was "concerns about the administrative and regulatory burdens related to these products".