Your Rights Are Fading Away!!

[Zoo]

I found something the other day called the "World Largest Street Gang" this is a eye opener to may people who choose not to see but don't take my word for it. Also in  American you are at least eight times more likely to be killed by a so called Peace Officer than by a Terrorist!!1 Also the sub way shooting has become a movie not sure of the movie tile thou-So enjoy!!1

[PB the Deplorable]

I found something the other day called the "World Largest Street Gang" this is a eye opener to may people who choose not to see but don't take my word for it. Also in  American you are at least eight times more likely to be killed by a so called Peace Officer than by a Terrorist!!1 Also the sub way shooting has become a movie not sure of the movie tile thou-So enjoy!!1

Is that 'Fruitvale', named for the Bart line's (Bay Area Rapid Transit) Fruitvale station where the Bart cops shot that kid by 'mistake' (he said he meant to tazer him and pulled the wrong weapon)?

[Nucky Nolan]

The Wall Street Journal did a great piece on the militarization of police. Evidently, all kinds of bureaucracies have their own versions of SWAT teams now. Some of them killed and injured people by mistake. One poor guy was stormed by troopers because he bet on a sports event.

[bateman]

The Wall Street Journal did a great piece on the militarization of police. Evidently, all kinds of bureaucracies have their own versions of SWAT teams now. Some of them killed and injured people by mistake. One poor guy was stormed by troopers because he bet on a sports event.

Perfectly reasonable. THOSE GAMBLING WINNINGS WERE GOING TO FUND TERROR CELLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Nucky Nolan]

Perfectly reasonable. THOSE GAMBLING WINNINGS WERE GOING TO FUND TERROR CELLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

That's replaced "national security" as the one-size-fits-all excuse and explanation. That's why a girl was kicked out of a church camp when she kissed a boy. They referred to her bussing as a "terroristic threat". I keep waiting for someone to wake me.

[bateman]

That's replaced "national security" as the one-size-fits-all excuse and explanation. That's why a girl was kicked out of a church camp when she kissed a boy. They referred to her bussing as a "terroristic threat". I keep waiting for someone to wake me.

... are you serious?

[PB the Deplorable]

The Wall Street Journal did a great piece on the militarization of police. Evidently, all kinds of bureaucracies have their own versions of SWAT teams now. Some of them killed and injured people by mistake. One poor guy was stormed by troopers because he bet on a sports event.

How about that fawn Wisconsin someone thought had been abandoned by it's mother (which was very unlikely) an brought it to an animal shelter.  They were working on getting it to a wildlife refuge when some State Dept of Natural Resources cops got wind of it. 

As it's forbidden to possess wildlife, they decided to go get it.  But policy is to euthanize wildlife they run across like this due to possible disease and danger to humans.

So they got a warrant, sent a swat team, terrorized the shelter employees, and killed the fawn.

Now they are getting death threats.  Good. 


http://www.wisn.com/news/armed-agents-raid-animal-shelter-for-baby-deer/-/9373668/21272108/-/wvh1n7z/-/index.html



This isn't the only deer that has been killed for no reason by the police lately either.  Just the most sickening.


We need to take our country back.

[Nucky Nolan]

... are you serious?

I wish that I wasn't! I saw the story on a morning program. It's the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Don't read the linked stories if you're prone to anger and/or hypertension. The first is about a kindergarten student who was accused of making a "terroristic threat" when she told her friend that she would shoot her with a pink and plastic toy bubble gun. The second is about a boy who was kicked out of school after he broke his Pop-Tart into the shape of a gun and allegedly said, "bang!".

Suspended For Bubble-Gun Threat:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/01/kindergartner-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat/

Suspended For Pop-Tart Gun:
http://www.ktnv.com/watercooler/194673111.html

[onan]

Suspended For Bubble-Gun Threat:
http://news.yahoo.com/pa-kindergartner-suspended-bubble-gun-remark-/035057936.html

Suspended For Pop-Tart Gun:
http://www.ktnv.com/watercooler/194673111.html

neither link works

[onan]

I don't want to downplay the absurdity of the stories recently posted.

But, there are close to if not more than 20,000 incorporated communities in this country. If every community had a one  hour story to tell, it would take almost a year to finish.

I guess my point is, how common is this behavior? with media having access to everywhere but where my short hairs are, is it any surprise we get to see every pimple on an organization we like to dislike?

I dunno.

[Nucky Nolan]

neither link works

They do now. Check out the stories, Gabbers.

[Nucky Nolan]

I don't want to downplay the absurdity of the stories recently posted.

But, there are close to if not more than 20,000 incorporated communities in this country. If every community had a one  hour story to tell, it would take almost a year to finish.

I guess my point is, how common is this behavior? with media having access to everywhere but where my short hairs are, is it any surprise we get to see every pimple on an organization we like to dislike?

I dunno.

How common is it? It's too damn common, and it's getting worse.

[Nucky Nolan]

How about that fawn Wisconsin someone thought had been abandoned by it's mother (which was very unlikely) an brought it to an animal shelter.  They were working on getting it to a wildlife refuge when some State Dept of Natural Resources cops got wind of it. 

As it's forbidden to possess wildlife, they decided to go get it.  But policy is to euthanize wildlife they run across like this due to possible disease and danger to humans.

So they got a warrant, sent a swat team, terrorized the shelter employees, and killed the fawn.

Now they are getting death threats.  Good. 


http://www.wisn.com/news/armed-agents-raid-animal-shelter-for-baby-deer/-/9373668/21272108/-/wvh1n7z/-/index.html



This isn't the only deer that has been killed for no reason by the police lately either.  Just the most sickening.


We need to take our country back.

I saw that story. We can all sleep safer at night, knowing that they murdered Bambi.

[PB the Deplorable]

I don't want to downplay the absurdity of the stories recently posted.

But, there are close to if not more than 20,000 incorporated communities in this country. If every community had a one  hour story to tell, it would take almost a year to finish.

I guess my point is, how common is this behavior? with media having access to everywhere but where my short hairs are, is it any surprise we get to see every pimple on an organization we like to dislike?

I dunno.

I guess the point is this stuff is getting so much worse, and very quickly.

[Nucky Nolan]

I guess the point is this stuff is getting so much worse, and very quickly.

I don't remember this shit happening when I was a kid. If it happened, we didn't hear about it.

[Sardondi]

I don't remember this shit happening when I was a kid. If it happened, we didn't hear about it.

No, it didn't happen, because Certified Grownups were in charge then, not adolescent ideologues. And grownups used their discretion wisely and well enough that such insanity rarely happened. And when it did, those who precipitated such foolishness were quickly corrected.

We've had the rise of the apparatchik in America, though. The nomenklatura now rule. 

[onan]

No, it didn't happen, because Certified Grownups were in charge then, not adolescent ideologues. And grownups used their discretion wisely and well enough that such insanity rarely happened. And when it did, those who precipitated such foolishness were quickly corrected.

We've had the rise of the apparatchik in America, though. The nomenklatura now rule.

Yes it did happen. Just with a wink and a nod, or blind ignorance. stats are hard or impossible to find. But violence to the weak is nothing new. It just used to happen behind closed doors. It used to be dirty little secrets. Now with widespread media, little isn't exposed on the likes of Jerry Springer or YouTube. In the 70's a hand held camera cost several thousand dollars now you can buy one for $20.

We as a society have always been ok with violence that affects others but not our dinner time.
Is it the same with police forces?

Man, I just spent a little over 4 hours with eight police officers and four EMS handling a schizophrenic, slightly cognitively impaired man with angry outbursts and vague statements and history of violence to self, property, and others. But that won't make YouTube. The officer's emotions were all over the place, mostly frustration and confusion, secondary to poor policies on who is responsible for what decision. But not once did any of them attempt violence. And honestly the little shit was really trying my patience. But after several hours the client calmed down and the situation resolved.

So yeah some cops deserve the worst place in hell, but not all of them.

[PB the Deplorable]

No, it didn't happen, because Certified Grownups were in charge then, not adolescent ideologues. And grownups used their discretion wisely and well enough that such insanity rarely happened. And when it did, those who precipitated such foolishness were quickly corrected.

We've had the rise of the apparatchik in America, though. The nomenklatura now rule.

We have so many rules and laws now that never used to exist. 

And it used to be there was one very old neighbor that was a busybody that everyone else ignored.  Now the busybodies seem to be everywhere, and don't mind approaching strangers and telling them when they've committed some meaningless infraction. 

Some of it I blame on there being just a lot more people than before.  Some of it is due to an overall lower quality of people in society, that need to be told what to do and how to act.  The rest of it is somehow we've allowed our 'public servants' to become our rulers - from city halls to Wash DC.  Another example is parents and teachers don't even have a say in local schools anymore - it used to be the PTA was in charge.

[b_dubb]

I'm in a coffee shop. Two lawyers are to my right. They've been going on and on about injustices in the justice system for the last hour or so. I won't go into to details but there remarks would fit right in with this thread.

We are in big trouble. It would seem that common sense, decency and real justice have gone the way of the unicorn.

[West of the Rockies]

You're probably right, PB.  I suspect that the penal code is much thicker than it was fifty years ago.  (Let's put aside for just a moment the silly jokes about "thick penal/penile"....) 

BUT don't you think some of the "new laws" are probably good?  Do we really want the Acme Batman Suit Company to be able to dump its toxic waste into Anytown River?  Do we really want a junior high teacher to be able to lift the skirt of a "naughty female student" and paddle her? 

Yes, some laws are very stupid.  Do we need a law that requires restaurants that serve hot coffee to go to label the damn paper cup "Caution:  Contents Hot!" 

As always, there is no black and white.

And in the Politics thread, PB, you tend to offer a lot of reductionist thought.  NO, not all progressives are on the same page in lock-step support of Obama.  I know a lot who think he should be more liberal.  Clearly, some think he's too liberal. 

In the same way, not all conservatives/Republicans are in lock step.  You've got some whack-jobs:  Steve King, Michelle Bachmann, et al.  And please don't point out that Bachmann is leaving at the end of her term.  She's been in office for some years now and has had an effect on things.  When she's not in office, she'll probably turn up on wingnut welfare (FOX News) to pontificate and further rile up the far right base.  That's what a lot of politicians do.  In the same way, we keep hearing from Barney Frank even though he left office.  Out of office does not mean absolutey without a platform to sway public opinion and policy.

[Sardondi]

I was going to start responding to posts here, but as each of the last 4 seemed relevant and pithy...and increasingly depressing...I just felt overwhelmed by it all. So I decided to bounce for a moment.

Nothing you guys have done. It's the subject. I'm just momentarily overmatched by fact. I hope it is not disloyal to say that I've sought out the fresher, greener climes of the benignly odd and offbeat Beachcombing's Bizarre History Blog, http://www.strangehistory.net/.

It is sort of like a visit to your weird-ish but definitely harmless and kindly Victorian uncle, were that possible. The feel of the blog, although visually somewhat stark, is like a large and cozy room crammed full of all kinds of fascinating stuffed monsters, souvenirs of expeditions to mythical lands, and paintings of forbidden things; but with a jolly big Elevenses and a capital tea featuring clotted cream and strawberry jam on fresh scones; after which there's a big drowse on overstuffed sofas by the fire (wood, not coal!), listening to Uncle's tales about Scottish faeries, Irish giants, Romanian vampyrs, British cannibals, and folktales of all kinds, but also about WWII commandos who used longbows and basket-hilted claymores, or a study of the whether and whither of the practice in the American Civil War of leaving the blades of cavalry sabers/sabres dull and points blunt, and so on. A combo of Christopher Robin and torture without the prurient interest in slasher-movie gore.

I'm going there - okay, running away, albeit temporarily - because the subject is so much more pleasant. And optimistic.

[onan]

I was going to start responding to posts here, but as each of the last 4 seemed relevant and pithy...and increasingly depressing...I just felt overwhelmed by it all. So I decided to bounce for a moment.

Nothing you guys have done. It's the subject. I'm just momentarily overmatched by fact. I hope it is not disloyal to say that I've sought out the fresher, greener climes of the benignly odd and offbeat Beachcombing's Bizarre History Blog, http://www.strangehistory.net/.

It is sort of like a visit to your weird-ish but definitely harmless and kindly Victorian uncle, were that possible. The feel of the blog, although visually somewhat stark, is like a large and cozy room crammed full of all kinds of fascinating stuffed monsters, souvenirs of expeditions to mythical lands, and paintings of forbidden things; but with a jolly big Elevenses and a capital tea featuring clotted cream and strawberry jam on fresh scones; after which there's a big drowse on overstuffed sofas by the fire (wood, not coal!), listening to Uncle's tales about Scottish faeries, Irish giants, Romanian vampyrs, British cannibals, and folktales of all kinds, but also about WWII commandos who used longbows and basket-hilted claymores, or a study of the whether and whither of the practice in the American Civil War of leaving the blades of cavalry sabers/sabres dull and points blunt, and so on. A combo of Christopher Robin and torture without the prurient interest in slasher-movie gore.

I'm going there - okay, running away, albeit temporarily - because the subject is so much more pleasant. And optimistic.

Does me too, fit here?

[Nucky Nolan]

No, it didn't happen, because Certified Grownups were in charge then, not adolescent ideologues. And grownups used their discretion wisely and well enough that such insanity rarely happened. And when it did, those who precipitated such foolishness were quickly corrected.

We've had the rise of the apparatchik in America, though. The nomenklatura now rule.

The Melungeons are a strange group found in northeastern Tennessee and southwestern Virginia. No one is quite sure of their origins. Genetic tests show that they might be tri-racial. Some claim that they're descendants of one of the lost tribes of Israel. They were in the Appalachians before the major European population movements to that region. One theory posits the notion that they descend from Berber and Turkish slaves freed by Sir Francis Drake in the 1500s. Some people even think that they're gypsies. In keeping with your pessimistic mood, as well as your fascination with odd historical vignettes, I'm trying to not be a Donnie Downer

[Zoo]

Their coming to take me away.... It's to the point that so called "Peace Officers" are no longer protecting the rights of the people but the rights of the privilege and this is what must stop!!1
 

[bateman]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/how-secrecy-has-already-corroded-our-democracy-in-concrete-ways/278478/

[Zoo]

Well that sum's it up!!1

[bateman]

GOOGLE: If You Send To Gmail, You Have 'No Legitimate Expectation Of Privacy'

[bateman]

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2013/08/what-nsas-massive-org-chart-probably-looks/68642/

To invert a phrase from biology, in the intelligence community, function follows form. To begin to understand the NSA from the outside, you need to understand what it looks like from the inside.

Here are the other main NSA collection tools and databases:

ONEROOF: Main tactical SIGINT database  (Afghanistan), consisting of raw and unfiltered intercepts

NUCLEON:  Global telephone content database

XKEYSCORE: Collection tool for international metadata

AIRGAP: Priority missions tool used to determine SIGINT gaps

HOMEBASE: Tactical tasking tool for digital network identification

SNORT: Repository of computer network attack techniques/coding

WIRESHARK: Repository of malicious network signatures

TRAFFICTHIEF: Raw SIGINT viewer for data analysis

BANYAN: NSA tactical geospatial correlation database

OILSTOCK: Air Force/Navy tool to track ships in real time

MAINWAY: Telephony metadata collection database

ASSOCIATION: Tactical SIGINT social network database

MESSIAH/WHAMI: Electronic intelligence processing and analytical database

MARINA: Internet metadata collection database

PINWALE: Internet data content database

SURREY:  Main NSA requirements database, where targets and selectors are “validated” by NSA managers

PROTON: SIGINT database for time-sensitive targets/counterintelligence

OCTAVE/CONTRAOCTAVE: Collection mission tasking tool

WRANGLER: Electronic intelligence intercept raw database

ANCHORY: Main repository of finished NSA SIGINT reports going back three years.

AQUADOR: Merchant ship tracking tool

Oh, you thought it was just metadata?

NSA Collects 'Word for Word' Every Domestic Communication, Says Former Analyst

[Zoo]

Guess who's fault it is that they are doing it? That's right yours and mine for letting this go on with out doing anything about it!!1

[Yorkshire pud]

Guess who's fault it is that they are doing it? That's right yours and mine for letting this go on with out doing anything about it!!1

But if you don't know what it is you're supposed to fight against, it's a futile and pointless way of wasting energy. I thought it interesting in the link

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/july-dec13/whistleblowers_08-01.html

...comments section, someone suggested that Obama may be being blackmailed..It is time those who just think Obama started it (he didn't) realise such infrastructure cannot possibly be done on four years, and has been ongoing for decades, it just gets an update as and when one comes along.