President Donald J. Trump

[PB the Deplorable]

Fine, well good luck convincing 1.3 billion Muslims that they are a dead loss. What are they supposed to do, bugger off to Mars or something?...

Well, first I assume they know their culture is inferior, just by looking around them.  Second, I don't care where they go, I just don't want there here.

If a quarter of the world were head-hunter cannibals, would that mean we would have to import them?  Why or why not?

[PB the Deplorable]

...Trump is a dummy

And Hilary Clinton was just so smart, so competent, so honest?

[PB the Deplorable]

That's a great emotional argument but not very practical. Taiwan is the one place where Beijing wouldn't be reticent about going to war. They are fanatical on the subject...

It's been nearly 70 years since the takeover of the mainland in 1949.  So far, no war.  Hardly fanatical.  Taiwan is heavily defended, it's not at all clear things would go China's way, and there is no reason for them to try.

[WhiteCrow]

If Obama ran against Trump he'd win, easily. His approval ratings are high and the general consensus is that he did a reasonable job, whether you agree or not. Trump won because of a perfect storm of negativity surrounding Clinton, not for any merits he may or may not possess.

Dear boy, that 'nothing to lose' mentality is very dangerous and I hope you don't all regret it. You have had it too good for too long and don't understand how bad things can get in the wrong hands. The only ones who can recall the Great Depression are too old to count and Americans in general see a decade ago as ancient history. When things start to slip they can slip fast and it isn't pretty; when you get yourselves in a spiral it can be hard to dig yourselves out of it. I don't want that to happen, because the last thing I want is to see Russia and China ruling the roost, but this spirit of negativity and defeatism that you are all in at the moment is very worrying.

Geeez for such a smart fellow you just don't get the basics.

1.America being an economic powerhouse house is good for the World..

2. Obama was bankrupting the country "economic spiral"

3. Trumpie's grand scheme is to make America great again. ie return America to being an economic powerhouse that can "rule the roost"

4. Loop back to number 1... and reread until you understand.

You may if it helps your convoluted thought process replace Hillary with Obama in your quoted post above ..the results would be the same "economic spiral" and our role as world protector diminished with China and Russia "ruling the roost"

[WhiteCrow]

And Hilary Clinton was just so smart, so competent, so honest?

PB .. my dear friend ...the subtleties of satire, irony and wit ..and let's not forget sarcasm too...eh? 

[Gd5150]

If Obama ran against Trump he'd win, easily. His approval ratings are high and the general consensus is that he did a reasonable job.

Yes and so would Hillary. Because if the MSMedia's polls say it, it must be true. If only the fake polls could be used to decide elections. Dare to dream.

General consensus is Obama is going to go down as one of the worst presidents in history. His only significant legislative contribution Obamacare was the main culprit behind the 8 years of recession he oversaw. 1% growth and 95,000,000 underemployed is recession. His only significant legislative contribution, Obamacare will be erased in months after he's out of office. The effects will take longer to erase.

His only other significant contribution was starting a race war that didn't exist when he took office. Not an accident as it was bought and paid for by the left in Obamas administration/MSMedia. We are now set back decades thanks to left wing political greed and exploitation.

Now there's a huge mess to clean up that's been piling up for decades, and finally the US has elected someone who doesn't come from a world where the only thing that matters is acquiring more political power. It's time to sit back and watch what happens when those who accomplish, are put in charge. Things are going to change and improve like we haven't seen since Reagan took on the disaster Jimmy Carter left behind.

[Lilith]

Just leaving this interesting read for a Sunday Morning before football here:

http://www.disclose.tv/news/the_kalergi_plan_and_why_world_leaders_are_rattled_by_donald_trump/131637

[Taaroa]

It's been nearly 70 years since the takeover of the mainland in 1949.  So far, no war.  Hardly fanatical.  Taiwan is heavily defended, it's not at all clear things would go China's way, and there is no reason for them to try.

It's been somewhat of an unstated threat for a long time that if the ROC dropped the whole silly 'two Chinas' thing and moved for proper Taiwanese independence, then the mainland would probably invade. Taiwan probably couldn't hold them off forever without outside help, but it'd be no picnic for Beijing.

I always enjoy seeing how much territory they still claim:

[Jackstar]

Praise (brigâ,,¢Â©2015)!

[chefist]

It's been somewhat of an unstated threat for a long time that if the ROC dropped the whole silly 'two Chinas' thing and moved for proper Taiwanese independence, then the mainland would probably invade. Taiwan probably couldn't hold them off forever without outside help, but it'd be no picnic for Beijing.

I always enjoy seeing how much territory they still claim:

If we stopped imports from China after they invaded Taiwan, their economy would collapse and they would have full scale rebellion on their hands.

We would just be inconvenienced by lack of cheap consumer goods for 2-3 years until Mexico and ourselves build new factories...they would cease to exist...

The dollar would be stronger than ever, and the entire world would put their money here, which we would use to rebuild manufacturing...

China is not in a strong position, which is why they are firing missiles and building bases in the China Seas.

[Brody]

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/vp-elect-mike-pence-defends-trumps-unsubstantiated-claim-43964987   Watch fuckface Pence spin....

[Jackstar]

If we stopped imports from China

This got me wondering, so I looked it up. Behold:

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Top 10 US Imports from China

China's exports to the US amounted to
$502.7 billion or 21.8% of its overall imports.

  1. Electronic equipment: $135.9 billion
  2. Machinery: $106.9 billion
  3. Furniture, lighting, signs: $30.9 billion
  4. Toys, games: $25.7 billion
  5. Footwear: $18 billion
  6. Knit or crochet clothing: $16.9 billion
  7. Plastics: $15.5 billion
  8. Clothing (not knit or crochet): $15.3 billion
  9. Vehicles: $13.8 billion
10. Medical, technical equipment: $11.4 billion


How much of that would you like to live without? Well, frankly, for my part, all of it--however, I am sure this list is misleading.

[21st Century Man]

fuckface

Yes you are.

[Jackstar]

Watch fuckface Pence spin....

It's interesting how long it took Pence to come right out and tell George that he was lying, and the look on his face afterwards was delicious.

I'm rather more impressed with the VP-elect now. As many of you may surmise, I would have come out swinging against George and told him he was a fucking liar immediately, but of course, that would not have been very diplomatic. One of numerous reasons I don't run for public office.

[21st Century Man]

It's interesting how long it took Pence to come right out and tell George that he was lying, and the look on his face afterwards was delicious.

I'm rather more impressed with the VP-elect now. As many of you may surmise, I would have come out swinging against George and told him he was a fucking liar immediately, but of course, that would not have been very diplomatic. One of numerous reasons I don't run for public office.

If I was Pence or any member of the Trump administration, I would refuse to go on Steffi's show.  You look up hack in the dictionary and there's a picture of George Stephanopoulos next to it.

[Yorkshire pud]

If we stopped imports from China after they invaded Taiwan, their economy would collapse and they would have full scale rebellion on their hands.

We would just be inconvenienced by lack of cheap consumer goods for 2-3 years until Mexico and ourselves build new factories...they would cease to exist...

And in the intervening period? What would you do about the catastrophic economic collapse?  Assuming of course that an invasion of Tawian hadn't escalated into major military conflict, and the west coast/ mid west of the USA wasn't glass.

But leaving it as a commercial standoff; where would the USA get its iphones, TV's, clothing, etc? Sure wouldn't be the USA, and the west is used to clicking a mouse and getting it the next day.

The dollar would be stronger than ever, and the entire world would put their money here, which we would use to rebuild manufacturing...

Utter bullshit. After three years (more like ten-fifteen) of nothing to buy cheaply enough, the USA wouldn't be a place to invest anything, because no-one, other than the very rich would be able to afford anything.

China is not in a strong position, which is why they are firing missiles and building bases in the China Seas.

Oh? They have the west well and truly in their grasp. Trump is fooling himself if he really believes the USA will bring back an industrial and manufacturing infrastructure back from overseas. Why do you think he's in property/ hotels? Because he likes glass and concrete?

[Jackstar]

I would refuse to go on Steffi's show.

But there's only so little time left: The wife of prominent ABC news anchor George Stephanopoulos, Ali Wentworth, has claimed the couple will leave the country should Donald Drumpf become president of the United States. Talking to The Hollywood Reporter, Wentworth said that “If Drumpf wins, we’ll start looking at real estate in Sydney, Australia. No crime, no guns.”

[Yorkshire pud]

I wonder what the chances would be that they could find a judge and jury that are not familiar with the history?  lol's

Art Bell is small time in the scheme of things. In the same way I know a great deal about a man called Eric Brown, who few have heard of, but many owe so much to; Art Bell is a minor player.

This man has a radio audience of about 8 million, a day, five mornings a week, every week he's on air. Without the caption, I doubt you'd know him. But he's a household name in the UK. Art Bell never had that reach in his heyday, so highly unlikely he would now.

[mikuthing01]

Art Bell is small time in the scheme of things. In the same way I know a great deal about a man called Eric Brown, who few have heard of, but many owe so much to; Art Bell is a minor player.

This man has a radio audience of about 8 million, a day, five mornings a week, every week he's on air. Without the caption, I doubt you'd know him. But he's a household name in the UK. Art Bell never had that reach in his heyday, so highly unlikely he would now.

I never seen a ginger Imam before m8

Death to the West Allahu Akbar!

[albrecht]

Blaming things on "Fake News" is also very popular currently.

Don't trust the news. Always verfiy, find original sources, multiple sources, etc. Not that it wasn't already happening before in some circumstances but now it is completely legal for our government to use propaganda on us, US citizens. Here is the traditional "them" (haha) telling us about it some years ago. Yes, the CFR via their magazine even wrote about it:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/

[Jackstar]

[Yorkshire pud]

I never seen a ginger Imam before m8

Your mother sees one all the time; I'm surprised you haven't met each other as you were changing places. No?

Death to the West Allahu Akbar!

You seriously ought to be very careful what you post on forums.... you might get a knock on the basement door.

[Jackstar]

in some circumstances but now it is completely legal for our government to use propaganda on us, US citizens.

But if anyone needed a reminder of the dangers of domestic propaganda efforts, the past 12 months provided ample reasons. Last year, two USA Today journalists were ensnared in a propaganda campaign after reporting about millions of dollars in back taxes owed by the Pentagon’s top propaganda contractor in Afghanistan. Eventually, one of the co-owners of the firm confessed to creating phony websites and Twitter accounts to smear the journalists anonymously.

The arms of the Taint Co. octopus are extremely lengthy.

[Yorkshire pud]

Don't trust the news. Always verfiy, find original sources, multiple sources, etc. Not that it wasn't already happening before in some circumstances but now it is completely legal for our government to use propaganda on us, US citizens. Here is the traditional "them" (haha) telling us about it some years ago. Yes, the CFR via their magazine even wrote about it:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/

Was only a matter of time before Russia used it to get Trump elected.. They even admit it. 

[albrecht]

And in the intervening period? What would you do about the catastrophic economic collapse?  Assuming of course that an invasion of Tawian hadn't escalated into major military conflict, and the west coast/ mid west of the USA wasn't glass.

But leaving it as a commercial standoff; where would the USA get its iphones, TV's, clothing, etc? Sure wouldn't be the USA, and the west is used to clicking a mouse and getting it the next day.


Utter bullshit. After three years (more like ten-fifteen) of nothing to buy cheaply enough, the USA wouldn't be a place to invest anything, because no-one, other than the very rich would be able to afford anything.

Oh? They have the west well and truly in their grasp. Trump is fooling himself if he really believes the USA will bring back an industrial and manufacturing infrastructure back from overseas. Why do you think he's in property/ hotels? Because he likes glass and concrete?

Some of which you say could be true but China also has a lot of internal problems that aren't mentioned. Automation, cheaper labor in other countries, and as you say some scenario where the US stops trade will throw millions instantly out of a job. Also China has lots of income inequality, corruption (though the Party is acting on this to limit corrupt to them,) and ethnic differences (even their own "Muzzie problem.") And food. We stop selling them food, coal, or oil&gas (or cutting off those shipping lanes?) How long will their teeming masses last, rebel, or destabilize the Party?

Simply because you lot were bullied into giving up HK doesn't mean that we, or other countries, need to accept Chinese bullying, unfair trade practices, or look away from human rights abuses. Not that I think, or hope, it will come to a war or even a trade war.

[albrecht]

Was only a matter of time before Russia used it to get Trump elected.. They even admit it. 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/

What are you on about? The Smith-Mundt Act that was, basically, repealed was about the legality of US government agencies to use propaganda on US citizens. To prevent a Pravda, Goebbels, or to lesser extent BBC-esque domestic "news" issuing fake or propaganda on its own people to advance some agenda.

[mikuthing01]

You seriously ought to be very careful what you post on forums.... you might get a knock on the basement door.

basements don't have doors Infidel lolz #AllahuAkbar

[K_Dubb]

I can only hope that you managed to write that balls without keeping a straight face. How on earth does electing a billionaire (supposedly) who then goes on to shunt all his billionaire buddies into top jobs constitute a fucking revolution? Yeah, it's a 360 degree revolution where you are back where you bloody started. Jesus H, lay off the soft drink, it's scrambling your brain, and you didn't have much to work with in the first place.

Hahaha you can't fake the look on those poor people's faces who thought they had it in the bag!  Honestly, I barely watched the campaign, but ever since I can't turn the damn tv off -- as a republican it's like mother's milk!  I ought to take up knitting so I'd be doing something productive.

I'm sure you're quite accustomed to doling out candy to passers-by, only this time you're doing it to a man in his forties rather than a 10-year-old lost in a shopping centre. Which is progress of a sort, I guess. Europe did birth a new species - you bloody lot. You took all our ideas, pretend they were yours, and then unceremoniously micturated all over them.

Lawyers!  Lawyers!  This slander has done irreparable harm to the podcast I may have been planning to launch.

I was being chided the other day for cynicism, and now I'm a sophomoric optimist. Make your bloody mind up! I'd rather be optimistic than mired in lymphatic decadence. You are quickly turning into the old world that you affect to despise, with all your backward-looking focus on outdated industrial practices.

Nah it holds up -- like most adolescents you're cynical about the past and put your faith in new ideas.  Every generation goes down this road -- I get it -- but let's not pretend it's scholarly.

[Jackstar]

Simply because you lot were bullied into giving up HK doesn't mean that we, or other countries, need to accept Chinese bullying, unfair trade practices, or look away from human rights abuses. Not that I think, or hope, it will come to a war or even a trade war.

I'd be happy to go to war with China just for the organ harvesting--however, that's likely the least of the offenses worth fighting over, and war is obsolete regardless.


Why can't we focus on the ongoing war jihad against the global crime syndicate? All this talk about nation-states is so 20th century bourgeoisie.

[Yorkshire pud]

Some of which you say could be true but China also has a lot of internal problems that aren't mentioned. Automation, cheaper labor in other countries, and as you say some scenario where the US stops trade will throw millions instantly out of a job. Also China has lots of income inequality, corruption (though the Party is acting on this to limit corrupt to them,) and ethnic differences (even their own "Muzzie problem.") And food. We stop selling them food, coal, or oil&gas (or cutting off those shipping lanes?) How long will their teeming masses last, rebel, or destabilize the Party?

Stop sellng food? And sell it where? Or just not produce it? China and the West are inextricably linked. San Francisco harbour has a steady stream of container ships berthing there seven days a week, every week. Most of it from China. Can you imagine the port employees' reaction if you told them that "Trump was making America great again, by the way, you've lost your job." As will the truck drivers taking it all over. Cargo only airlines and their employees no longer distributing those goods...UPS, FedEx,DPL, etc...fewer parcels, fewer vans, fewer drivers...unemployment. Foreclosures, more homeless.   

Simply because you lot were bullied into giving up HK doesn't mean that we, or other countries, need to accept Chinese bullying, unfair trade practices, or look away from human rights abuses. Not that I think, or hope, it will come to a war or even a trade war.

Actually no. 1997 handover of HK had been agreed many years before. The UK wasn't bullied into it. Sure, it wasn't popular and many wanted the UK to renage on the deal. Having said that, it could be a far worse place than it is. Not perfect, but then it was never expected to be.