President Donald J. Trump

[21st Century Man]

I got a bit out of hand earlier and I apologize.  My blood pressure seemed to be high.  The thing is the rhetoric that is constantly displayed on the internet and in parts of the media is making things worse.  It's creating strife and feeding anger. People were shot yesterday.  Let me ask this question of our friends on the left about how they would feel if it was Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren getting shot?  Maybe be a bit ticked off and justifiably so?   I'm tired of the rancor in this country and well forgive me but people like Meister just create further division.  I'm sick to death of it.

[PB the Deplorable]

The rabid right ideologues here at BG can't comprehend that not everyone critical of the Trump WH is a radical leftist. PaperBoy in particular, sees only a world populated by extremes; right/left, either/or, black/white. For him and those like him, everyone who opposes Trump and the GOP is a rock-throwing, black-mask wearing Antifa. It makes their rigid narrative easier to share and repeat among their faithful...

Well, I don't include you in any of that do I?  Or the other left leaning posters?  I've always made a distinction between the well meaning (but typically wrong) Liberals, and the America-hating ''Progressives'', haven't I?  I've always made distinctions between the shadowy ''leadership'' of the ''Progressives'', the angry hate-filled thugs who riot on their behalf, and the well meaning dupes lured into trusting they are who they say rather than what they do.

Haven't I always criticized the Establishment Republicans in DC?  Haven't I been critical of Donald Trump?  Don't I post in support of Conservative ideas, and not the Republican Party per se?  Yes, it's true I support Donald Trump and the Republican Party against the America haters.  Now is not the time to rail against them, when they are under attack from the destructive Left.

I include Miser with the putrid pukes, because she herself speaks as they do, and insists on posting on their behalf.

... While people rant at one other about the politics of these shooters, no one wants to discuss the deeper issues, such as the predominance of gun violence, mental illness, and the alarming rise of suicide rates in America. Yesterday's shooter had a documented history of alcohol abuse and aggressive behavior, and was licensed to carry guns. What could go wrong?

The rotten educational system given to us by the educrats, left-wing handout programs, the Socialist lack of personal responsibility mindset, the overall governance of our inner cities, the lower level of opportunity due to too high tax rates and a too big government that sucks up too many resources are some of the root causes of these problems.  We spend an enormous amount dealing with these problems, but all those resources will never be more than a band aide.

What's the point of even discussing it unless you are willing to admit more of the same is not an answer. 

[Kidnostad3]

My condolences. No wonder you're so ornery. Australian 'women' are notoriously unfussy about who they choose to mate with, and a guy like you probably wasn't overwhelmed with options. Remember to keep an eye on your valuables (not that you probably have any). She'd have the pacemaker out of your chest
if she was ever sober enough to wield a knife.

No wonder Australians see you Pomies as insufferable assholes.  If you were to insult my wife as an Australian woman as you just did in my physical presence I guarantee you would be dragged out with missing teeth and a broken jaw at the very least.  Do not doubt that even in my dotage I still have the strength and skill to make good on that threat. 

[Gd5150]

These tools are blind to any political subtlety. You're either on their side or you have to be Saul Alinsky. It's part of why the discourse is so broken. To them, all their objectors vote on a straight Democratic ticket. Let them believe what they want, they're not to be reasoned with and won't be persuaded otherwise.

Yes we know how all the Clinton/Obama/Kerry supporters are "moderates" who've never voted Republican in their lives. It's a classic example of how the left wing mind works. Symbolism over substance. Emotion over logic. Lemming over critical thinker. Close minded while telling everyone how open minded you are. Claims to love science while citing the consensus as evidence. The left in 2017 has gone off a cliff, all they do is hate. They're void of any ideas. They're incapable of open minded discussion. It's quite sad but this is the product of 50 years of the extreme left bastardising the eduction industry, the media, selective parts of science, hell even comedy. Modern left wing  Liberalsim is a cancer, and their leaders play them like the sheep that they are.

[21st Century Man]

First we have the Kathy Griffin shit, then the Trump Julius Caesar and now people were shot yesterday by a crazy leftist.  Can you honestly blame people for being a bit upset?  This shit needs to stop now.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Like gang warfare, the hateful rhetoric from the extreme right and left continues ad infinitum with each shooting. What they don't see is it's the extremism that makes them identical to one another, regardless of their opposing political ideologies...

That's correct, I don't see that.

I describe them in the same terms they use, and if it seems ''extreme'' I'm just following their lead.  The difference is I describe them accurately, they are full of shit. 

For example, compare and contrast one group, the Tea Party, for a few years gathering to make their voices heard - getting permits, cleaning up after themselves, completely non-violent - vs the way Acorn/Solidarity/Occupy/BLM has always conducted themselves.  Compare the level, content, and accuracy of attacks on Obama to the level, content, and accuracy of attacks on Trump.  Compare the way the so-called main stream media covers the Rs vs the way they cover the Ds.  Compare the way people like Rush, Hannity, and Levin conduct themselves to the way the Rachel Maddows and Kathy Griffins conduct themselves.

[Kidnostad3]

Yes we know how all the Clinton/Obama/Kerry supporters are "moderates" who've never voted Republican in their lives. It's a classic example of how the left wing mind works. Symbolism over substance. Emotion over logic. Lemming over critical thinker. Close minded while telling everyone how open minded you are. Claims to love science while citing the consensus as evidence. The left in 2017 has gone off a cliff, all they do is hate. They're void of any ideas. They're incapable of open minded discussion. It's quite sad but this is the product of 50 years of the extreme left bastardising the eduction industry, the media, selective parts of science, hell even comedy. Modern left wing  Liberalsim is a cancer, and their leaders play them like the sheep that they are.

That is the best summation of the decadent state of the Democrat party I have read.  Well done!

[Kidnostad3]

The only people indulging in a celebratory politicizing of this assassination attempt are the Democratic gun control advocates. His attempt probably would've been successful had it not been for people legally armed there who could shoot back. The only extremism is coming from your side now. What you call extremist right-wing views used to just be called the opposition but you just keep demonizing until someone starts shooting. And now your fingers are crossed for a Trump supporter to start shooting. Hey, if it doesn't happen naturally just get the CIA to create one.  Fucking zombie! :

Well put.

[PB the Deplorable]

Who would'a thunk?
One lone GOPer with some spine!

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/875326829640523776

So the Left, with their ongoing barrage of hate can't possibly have any responsibility for their violent supporters - because only the shooter is to blame.  On the other hand, the tone set by Trump is to blame.

Have I got that about right?

[PB the Deplorable]

Nope, that about covers of it.

Shouldn't you be out blocking access to a speech somewhere, or figuring some slimy way to spin today's assassination to blame it on ''Trump''?

Predictable and predicted

[SredniVashtar]

First we have the Kathy Griffin shit, then the Trump Julius Caesar and now people were shot yesterday by a crazy leftist.  Can you honestly blame people for being a bit upset?  This shit needs to stop now.

Chaplin made The Great Dictator, Brecht wrote Arturo Ui. None of this is new. This is getting close to the sort of thing you would get in absolutist monarchies, where books and plays were heavily censored if they even alluded to the monarch. Although Trump's weird cabinet meeting was right out of King Lear, asking people to say how much they loved him.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Trump's weird cabinet meeting was right out of King Lear, asking people to say how much they loved him.

Yes, that's the equivalent of a year long barrage of hate and lies, followed by an assassination attempt.

[SredniVashtar]

No wonder Australians see you Pomies as insufferable assholes.  If you were to insult my wife as an Australian woman as you just did in my physical presence I guarantee you would be dragged out with missing teeth and a broken jaw at the very least.  Do not doubt that even in my dotage I still have the strength and skill to make good on that threat.

Say you do wrestle me to the ground in some sort of senile death-grip, and I lost a few teeth, I'd still have more than you. It must get pretty tiresome gumming those rusks dipped in milk for din-dins every night. As for Australian women, I always have great respect for people who can grow a better moustache than me, and I'm sorry you took it the wrong way. As for that remark about Poms, we are almost drowning in geniality and politeness here, you delirious old goat!

[SredniVashtar]

Yes, that's the equivalent of a year long barrage of hate and lies, followed by an assassination attempt.

Glad you agree. I'm always happy to help.

[FightTheFuture]

Its time to turn the hate-filled rhetoric down a notch or three.

[Jackstar]

It's fucking surreal, how Christopher Ruddy's name is plastered all across my news feed lately.

WTF, what is this, 1992? Just shoot me.

[Jackstar]

actually just recently OKed relaxing the regulations on background check flagging for severely mentally ill potential gun buyers veterans

Good. I want more people with guns here.

^^ not kidding a little bit

[Jackstar]

You are a fascist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEtm69mLK6w

[Gd5150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEtm69mLK6w

Lmao! I imagine this is about how everyone who spends more than 5min straight on the BellGab political "forum" looks.

[3OctaveFart]

Conversely, did it ever occur to you that some of us who have openly criticized Trump on this thread as I have do not object to anyone voicing your opposition to Trump in specific terms.
What we object to is the dishonesty and pettiness that the left employs in its effort to destroy Trump's presidency.    Not once have I seen any one of you question the validity of the many unsubstantiated and far fetched claims against Trump the MSM has seen fit to broadcast nor have I seen any sort of acknowledgement by you when the reports prove to be false.  It seems to me that your hatred for Trump overrides your ability to objectively evaluate the blizzard of accusations that is being generated by the left.  It also seems that you are willing abandon any sense of fairness when it comes to Trump.  (I use the word "you" here in the collective sense.)

Admittedly the overheated rhetoric on this thread comes from both sides.  But the most unhinged and toxic comes from just a few who I need not identify here.

I don't think Donald Trump represents classic conservative values, and if you're being truthful with yourself, nor do you. I have said before - he was a Manhattan liberal in the gay '90s. So he has no idea what the fuck he is. At least I can semi-respect a toad like McConnell, who for better or worse has held the same public convictions for 35 years and didn't hop on a bandwagon when it became expedient to do so.

And I don't want to hear about decorum and unity from literally a rouge-faced joker who campaigned on a divide-and-conquer strategy, or who called a free press the enemy of the people. It's time for folks on both sides to practice what they've been preaching the last 16 hours (on the teevee, of course). Or just shut up about it altogether.

[3OctaveFart]

Its time to turn the hate-filled rhetoric down a notch or three.

Physician, heal thyself.

[21st Century Man]

Chaplin made The Great Dictator, Brecht wrote Arturo Ui. None of this is new. This is getting close to the sort of thing you would get in absolutist monarchies, where books and plays were heavily censored if they even alluded to the monarch. Although Trump's weird cabinet meeting was right out of King Lear, asking people to say how much they loved him.

I don't like censorship, let me state that right now.  That is one of the things that separates me from other conservatives.  I don't have a problem with people satirizing Trump or anybody else for that matter.  However, joking about killing a sitting President and other Republicans is going too far.  If conservatives had shown a bloody head or made an Obama Julius Caesar, the left and media would have been all over them and they would be right to do so.

[Zetaspeak]

I think we take Trump leadership and show as much respect as Trump showed to the people of England after their attack.

[Lt.Uhura]

That's correct, I don't see that.

For example, compare and contrast one group, the Tea Party, for a few years gathering to make their voices heard - getting permits, cleaning up after themselves, completely non-violent - vs the way Acorn/Solidarity/Occupy/BLM has always conducted themselves.  Compare the level, content, and accuracy of attacks on Obama to the level, content, and accuracy of attacks on Trump.  Compare the way the so-called main stream media covers the Rs vs the way they cover the Ds.  Compare the way people like Rush, Hannity, and Levin conduct themselves to the way the Rachel Maddows and Kathy Griffins conduct themselves.

Ok, let's compare the difference in extremists' hateful rhetoric. Tell me how the following prayer from a right wing Trump devotee (and Art Bell fb friend) differs from the rantings of a radical leftist. In fact, if you replace "God Almighty" with Allah this "prayer" sounds like jihadist propaganda. Included on this right wing extremist's chilling wish list of disasters are the "taking out" of the media who oppose Trump, and that "Holy Divine MOABS" be dropped on our nation's capitol, ffs!

[Kidnostad3]

I don't think Donald Trump represents classic conservative values, and if you're being truthful with yourself, nor do you. I have said before - he was a Manhattan liberal in the gay '90s. So he has no idea what the fuck he is. At least I can semi-respect a toad like McConnell, who for better or worse has held the same public convictions for 35 years and didn't hop on a bandwagon when it became expedient to do so.

And I don't want to hear about decorum and unity from literally a rouge-faced joker who campaigned on a divide-and-conquer strategy, or who called a free press the enemy of the people. It's time for folks on both sides to practice what they've been preaching the last 16 hours (on the teevee, of course). Or just shut up about it altogether.

I won't quarrel with your opinion of Trump because most of it is reasonable criticism.  In response I would only ask:  a) do you find Hilliary any less reprehensible than Trump; b) how does the bias and dishonesty of the MSM sit with you;  c) how is the the left's determination to impeach Trump that dates from Nov 8 benefit the Nation; d) were you satisfied with the prospect of business as usual inside the Beltway?

[21st Century Man]

Ok, let's compare the difference in extremists' hateful rhetoric. Tell me how the following prayer from a right wing Trump devotee (and Art Bell fb friend) differs from the rantings of a radical leftist. In fact, if you replace "God Almighty" with Allah this "prayer" sounds like jihadist propaganda. Included on this right wing extremist's chilling wish list of disasters are the "taking out" of the media who oppose Trump, and that "Holy Divine MOABS" be dropped on our nation's capitol, ffs!

Big difference is this is a nobody and gets no coverage.  He is wrong just as radical leftists are wrong.  The thing is now we have a crazy leftist who took it to the next level and some in the mainstream news media  and in Hollywood are sympathetic to what he did.

[Kidnostad3]

Ok, let's compare the difference in extremists' hateful rhetoric. Tell me how the following prayer from a right wing Trump devotee (and Art Bell fb friend) differs from the rantings of a radical leftist. In fact, if you replace "God Almighty" with Allah this "prayer" sounds like jihadist propaganda. Included on this right wing extremist's chilling wish list of disasters are the "taking out" of the media who oppose Trump, and that "Holy Divine MOABS" be dropped on our nation's capitol, ffs!

Do you really want to go down this road?  We both know that we could match each other in posting radical crap from both sides.  The people who write garbage designed to elicit an emotional reaction and convert people to their particular ideological bent are propagandists and deserve to be ignored.  What bothers me greatly is he MSM indulging in that sort of dishonest sensationalism directed against a sitting president.  Does the bullshit on both sides both not bother you just a little? 

[SredniVashtar]

I don't like censorship, let me state that right now.  That is one of the things that separates me from other conservatives.  I don't have a problem with people satirizing Trump or anybody else for that matter.  However, joking about killing a sitting President and other Republicans is going too far.  If conservatives had shown a bloody head or made an Obama Julius Caesar, the left and media would have been all over them and they would be right to do so.

I didn't see many people supporting Kathy Griffin. I think most people found that a step too far, as did I. Take it as it was, somebody out for attention. JC was about a democratic leader who was killed because he wanted to make himself a king. But (important point) the plot ends up killing the plotters too, eventually. Shakespeare was very conservative in many ways and the point of the play is to show how it was a bad idea to upset the order of things. Brutus is a noble figure but misguided.

[Lt.Uhura]

Big difference is this is a nobody and gets no coverage.  He is wrong just as radical leftists are wrong.  The thing is now we have a crazy leftist who took it to the next level and some in the mainstream news media  and in Hollywood are sympathetic to what he did.

And if this "nobody" takes it to "the next level" there will no doubt be media sympathizers for him. Go back and read my post about extremism and gang warfare.

[SredniVashtar]

Its time to turn the hate-filled rhetoric down a notch or three.

Fuck you! I'm busy lifting up cobblestones to throw at the police and you start in with all this peace and love shit. Go make your daisy chains somewhere else.