President Donald J. Trump

[Jackstar]

Even now, Drumpf can't see a problem with his lying and being compromised, wishes Flynn was still there.

Plans, within plans within plans.


What do you care anyway? Go pay some taxes, you'll feel better.

[GravitySucks]

This explains why it took 2 1/2 weeks to fire Flynn. Even now, Trump can't see a problem with his lying and being compromised, wishes Flynn was still there.

Let's have a lesson in spy craft. Flynn may very well have been compromised some time down the line. We still do not know what his conversations with the Russian ambassador actually were, but let's accept Sally Yates' opinion that he was a candidate for blackmail. Somewhere down the line he might have been compromised.

Let's look at the alternative. Let's say 33,000 emails are floating around that Hillary Clinton refused to turn over under FOIA requests, claiming they are just discussions about Chelsea's wedding and yoga classes. We know that at least 1000 of these emails are between HRC and Gen Petraeus. Even if we don't have a copy, all we have to do is pretend that we do.  We know that millions and millions of dollars are directly traceable to Russian sources during the period immediately preceding the uranium deal. We know that $28 million dollars are directly traceable to Morroco immediately preceding an EPA investigation to a US phosphate mining operation in an attempt to shut down Morocco's biggest competitor and the EPA director now works on the Board of the Clinton Foundation. We have irrefutable evidence of these events and transactions.

This is what we, in the world of spy craft use as a case study in defining the term "compromised".

[K_Dubb]

This explains why it took 2 1/2 weeks to fire Flynn. Even now, Trump can't see a problem with his lying and being compromised, wishes Flynn was still there.

Easiest explanation is that Flynn lied under the popular misapprehension of the Logan Act which held wide currency at the time.  Turns out it's no big deal and the WH now says he was doing his job.

As far as being compromised, once the lie was known to everyone the potential for effective blackmail fell considerably.

I can understand the pres not wanting to lose a trusted advisor over a peccadillo.  But I still say if Pence was the force behind his firing, it's a sign Pence needs to maintain his distance from the Russia stuff in case he has to take over.  The cause of his firing wasn't the lie itself; it was roping Pence into the cover-up.

[GravitySucks]

Nope. Obama warned Trump last november. Yates told the legal guy in the WH in january, twice. The WH chose to ignore them and sixteen days later (after being warned Flynn was a security risk but appointed NSA, and sitting in on highly sensitive meetings) Flynn was fired. But you knew that right?


The ones Trump asked Russia to release in his campaigning? Those?

Better tell the FBI to cease then eh? Tell em they're wasting your time. They'll listen to you, really they will.

Obama may have warned Trump about Flynn in November, but what context did he use?  The phone call with the Russian ambassador did not occur until December 29.

Did he say "Listen, in 2 months I am going to announce sanctions, Flynn is going to call the Russains, we are going to record it, he is going to deny it and we are going to leak it to the media."

[Zetaspeak]

Easiest explanation is that Flynn lied under the popular misapprehension of the Logan Act which held wide currency at the time.  Turns out it's no big deal and the WH now says he was doing his job.

As far as being compromised, once the lie was known to everyone the potential for effective blackmail fell considerably.

I can understand the pres not wanting to lose a trusted advisor over a peccadillo.  But I still say if Pence was the force behind his firing, it's a sign Pence needs to maintain his distance from the Russia stuff in case he has to take over.  The cause of his firing wasn't the lie itself; it was roping Pence into the cover-up.

There is so many shady Russian  connections, it's hard to keep up. But didn't  Flynn also lied on his disclosure form and lied to the FBI.

[K_Dubb]

There is so many shady Russian  connections, it's hard to keep up. But didn't  Flynn also lied on his disclosure form and lied to the FBI.

Yeah, Epshteyn too.  But if memory serves, those lies came to light after his firing and only confirmed the decision.

[Yorkshire pud]

"You can predict absolutely everything someone is going to say. Once you know the algorithmic substructure of their political ideology - which is usually predicated on 5 or 6 axioms - you can use the axioms to automatically generate speech content. You don't even have to hear the person, you can just predict what they're going to say. That alleviates any responsibility whatsoever they have for thinking, and it also allows them to believe that they have full control and knowledge about the entire world, and also the capacity to distinguish, without a moment's thought, between those who are on the side of the good, and those who are not. And that's where the danger really comes. "

We really need a TEXT to JC speech interpreter.

We should have dinner and exchange christmas cards.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yes, they do try to sow disinformation, distraction, and chaos.  So does Acorn/Solidarity International/Occupy Wall St/Black Lives Matter/Antifa.  So does the Democrat Fake News Media.  So does the Obama Deep State.  It's what these phony hearing are doing.

But did I miss something?  Has it been shown the Russians were successful in influencing, disrupting, and undermining our election?  What did they do and what was affected?

One thing sure, the media and the Democrats are influencing, disrupting, and undermining the post election period, keeping the winners from implementing the agenda the American people voted for, and using using historically unprecedented methods to do so.

The Republucans have the house, the senate and the WH, but all the above are responsible for the non functioning of oassing legislation that was promised in the first week?

Got it.

[Yorkshire pud]

The Clinton sysadmin contacted the secret service when they had found evidence of hacking attempts.

Another fact supporting the premise that while the Russians might very well of hacked the DNC, they weren't the source for WikiLeaks. They held on to anything they found to use for leverage, because they fully expected Clinton to win.

Wikileaks is Russian owned. They hacked both Dems and Reps. But held back on releasing what they have on the Reps. Weird eh?

[Yorkshire pud]

This explains why it took 2 1/2 weeks to fire Flynn. Even now, Trump can't see a problem with his lying and being compromised, wishes Flynn was still there.

Of course he'll blame others. Trump can't and has never taken responsibility for bad news when its his shit. I gave him twelve months in office, I think I was optimistic.

[Yorkshire pud]

Presidents refuse to provide documents for a number of reasons. That is the definition of executive privilege. In the case of this hearing, I believe what the White House said is that they wouldn't or couldn't supply those documents because it happened before the inauguration, so please contact the DoD for Flynn's security clearance paperwork.

Actually, they obfuscated about it. The oversight committee (now minus Chavez with his bad foot) have said that the WH has specific documents that they can provide. The WH has point blank refused.

[GravitySucks]

Wikileaks is Russian owned. They hacked both Dems and Reps. But held back on releasing what they have on the Reps. Weird eh?

Working theory is that it is the Brits that own Wikileaks. We never see any Theresa May emails and Assange is in London.

[Yorkshire pud]

Let's have a lesson in spy craft. Flynn may very well have been compromised some time down the line. We still do not know what his conversations with the Russian ambassador actually were, but let's accept Sally Yates' opinion that he was a candidate for blackmail. Somewhere down the line he might have been compromised.

Let's look at the alternative. Let's say 33,000 emails are floating around that Hillary Clinton refused to turn over under FOIA requests, claiming they are just discussions about Chelsea's wedding and yoga classes. We know that at least 1000 of these emails are between HRC and Gen Petraeus. Even if we don't have a copy, all we have to do is pretend that we do.  We know that millions and millions of dollars are directly traceable to Russian sources during the period immediately preceding the uranium deal. We know that $28 million dollars are directly traceable to Morroco immediately preceding an EPA investigation to a US phosphate mining operation in an attempt to shut down Morocco's biggest competitor and the EPA director now works on the Board of the Clinton Foundation. We have irrefutable evidence of these events and transactions.

This is what we, in the world of spy craft use as a case study in defining the term "compromised".

Only the FBI says Clinton has no case to answer. Your point?

[GravitySucks]

Actually, they obfuscated about it. The oversight committee (now minus Chavez with his bad foot) have said that the WH has specific documents that they can provide. The WH has point blank refused.

If you have a copy of a document, but weren't the one that made the copy, do not know if the copy is the latest revision, wouldn't you say "Please go to the authoritative source."

[GravitySucks]

Only the FBI says Clinton has no case to answer. Your point?

That it is a damn good thing Clinton didn't get elected.

[Zetaspeak]

Yeah, Epshteyn too.  But if memory serves, those lies came to light after his firing and only confirmed the decision.

Oh no you just made me remember Boris. I remember  him doing the media rounds, the guy had these soulless eyes, he got that pre-programmed  look to him. Most of the talking can interact  with each other on a bullshit level, he always came off a bit odd and awkward 

[Yorkshire pud]

That it is a damn good thing Clinton didn't get elected.

Why? She's in a far weaker position now she's out without the protection of the WH machine, than if she was POTUS. And if she was suspected of all the shit that the various anti Clinton sites profess, I'm pretty certain that the two Republican heavy houses would have had her dragged in front of them before now.

[Yorkshire pud]

If you have a copy of a document, but weren't the one that made the copy, do not know if the copy is the latest revision, wouldn't you say "Please go to the authoritative source."

It isn't some staffer's place in the WH to question why or what a congressional or senate committee asks for. It doesn't matter if its up to date, from last week or last month, if they asked for it, they should have it provided.

[GravitySucks]

Why? She's in a far weaker position now she's out without the protection of the WH machine, than if she was POTUS. And if she was suspected of all the shit that the various anti Clinton sites profess, I'm pretty certain that the two Republican heavy houses would have had her dragged in front of them before now.

It is pretty obvious why. Quit being obtuse. Go knock up SV. I am getting concerned about our more eloquent purveyor of how we colonists should be behaving.

[GravitySucks]

It isn't some staffer's place in the WH to question why or what a congressional or senate committee asks for. It doesn't matter if its up to date, from last week or last month, if they asked for it, they should have it provided.

Nope. Not gonna do it. Pfffft.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yeah, Epshteyn too.  But if memory serves, those lies came to light after his firing and only confirmed the decision.

According to Yates yesterday, the WH was told by them and Obama in november, that Flynn was a security risk. He was seen as such a risk by the transitional staff on the Obama side, that they held back on certain info until an hour before it was neeed before handing it to the WH, because of fears it would go straight to Russia. She told the WH counsel twice in two days, but they chose to ignore her, and fired her instead. Flynn went over two weeks later, even though he was deemed a big risk. Still, he's said he has a story to tell, as !ong as he gets immunity that he's said implies guilt when applied to others.

[Yorkshire pud]

It is pretty obvious why. Quit being obtuse. Go knock up SV. I am getting concerned about our more eloquent purveyor of how we colonists should be behaving.

Not obvious. Exactly what is it a prosecuter has accused her of? Forget Flynn and Trumps chants of 'lock her up', they're not credible.

[Yorkshire pud]

Nope. Not gonna do it. Pfffft.

Well clearly not, they have stuff to hide.

[GravitySucks]

According to Yates yesterday, the WH was told by them and Obama in november, that Flynn was a security risk. He was seen as such a risk by the transitional staff on the Obama side, that they held back on certain info until an hour before it was neeed before handing it to the WH, because of fears it would go straight to Russia. She told the WH counsel twice in two days, but they chose to ignore her, and fired her instead. Flynn went over two weeks later, even though he was deemed a big risk. Still, he's said he has a story to tell, as !ong as he gets immunity that he's said implies guilt when applied to others.

Don't obfuscate. She was fired for her actions concerning the travel ban EO. It had nothing to do with her warnings about Flynn.

[K_Dubb]

Oh no you just made me remember Boris. I remember  him doing the media rounds, the guy had these soulless eyes, he got that pre-programmed  look to him. Most of the talking can interact  with each other on a bullshit level, he always came off a bit odd and awkward

Haha yeah a mobster out of central casting.

Given the pres's business I am sure there are a number of shady characters around him, and wouldn't be surprised if his own business is shady.  But that's a long way from saying the pres is a Russian agent.  I don't think anyone serious takes that seriously; that's pablum for popular consumption.

What this is about is trying to shake loose one of those contacts and luring the pres into abusing his office to cover it up, taking advantage of the same loyalty he showed to Flynn until there was no other option.

[K_Dubb]

According to Yates yesterday, the WH was told by them and Obama in november, that Flynn was a security risk. He was seen as such a risk by the transitional staff on the Obama side, that they held back on certain info until an hour before it was neeed before handing it to the WH, because of fears it would go straight to Russia. She told the WH counsel twice in two days, but they chose to ignore her, and fired her instead. Flynn went over two weeks later, even though he was deemed a big risk. Still, he's said he has a story to tell, as !ong as he gets immunity that he's said implies guilt when applied to others.

Yeah dire warnings look an awful lot like petty partisanship until you know better.

[GravitySucks]

According to Yates yesterday, the WH was told by them and Obama in november, that Flynn was a security risk. He was seen as such a risk by the transitional staff on the Obama side, that they held back on certain info until an hour before it was neeed before handing it to the WH, because of fears it would go straight to Russia. She told the WH counsel twice in two days, but they chose to ignore her, and fired her instead. Flynn went over two weeks later, even though he was deemed a big risk. Still, he's said he has a story to tell, as !ong as he gets immunity that he's said implies guilt when applied to others.

I think Obama just gave him the standard warning...

"You know that Flynn is a life long Democrat. Are you sure you want him as National Security Advisor?"

[smccomas69]

The Clinton sysadmin contacted the secret service when they had found evidence of hacking attempts.

Another fact supporting the premise that while the Russians might very well of hacked the DNC, they weren't the source for WikiLeaks. They held on to anything they found to use for leverage, because they fully expected Clinton to win.

Indeed

[smccomas69]

Only the FBI says Clinton has no case to answer. Your point?

That is wrong. They said no career prosecutor would take the case.

[smccomas69]

According to Yates yesterday, the WH was told by them and Obama in november, that Flynn was a security risk. He was seen as such a risk by the transitional staff on the Obama side, that they held back on certain info until an hour before it was neeed before handing it to the WH, because of fears it would go straight to Russia. She told the WH counsel twice in two days, but they chose to ignore her, and fired her instead. Flynn went over two weeks later, even though he was deemed a big risk. Still, he's said he has a story to tell, as !ong as he gets immunity that he's said implies guilt when applied to others.

Yes the same WH that said you can keep your doctor, Daesh is the JV Team, Benghazi was a video blah blah blah. I tend to believe this is a lot of bullshit. IF they had such damning info what is it? The deal about immunity is smart Scooter Libby would have been smart to do that however he didnt.