President Donald J. Trump

[Kidnostad3]

In any "socialist" country I lived there was a mixed system or still private options available. It comes at cost. Like everything in life there is rationing. In the public system one issue I saw was waiting times for getting primary care or dentists...because the national allotment system didnt keep up with demographic shifts. (Like here how some wont accept Medicare or ones that do arent adding patients.) Another thing to consider in those systems the patient gives up some rights (no "lottery-style" lawsuit wins for malpractice.) You will have help but for care/maintenance but not  the million dollar stuff or class-action you see here. And also there is more rationing in medical schools, based on projected needs versus "I want to be an X specialist." If panel decides Y region and whole country will need X numbet of brain surgeons (or it is cheaper to fly them to Germany) than that speciality wont have as many candidates. Etc. All systems "ration," it is just an argukent on what system is best: top-down, market, localized, private, profit, non-profit, or mixes thereof.

There is another downside to providing all comers with free or inexpensive medical care.  I have friends and acquaintances who are military doctors and of course I was treated by them for 26 years.  What I have heard them say time and again is that when there is easy, cheap or cost free access to health care providers there is a tendancy for too many dependent wives/husbands/children to strain  the system by seeking treatment for the most minor of complaints.  Sometimes care amounts to nothing more than reassurance and handholding for spouses who are dealing with the absence of the service member during long deployments of anywhere from 6 to 12 months and longer in the cases of certain units.

I believe this kind of overuse is true of too many Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance patients whose plans provide for low or no co-payments for a doctors visits.    There should be some incentive for people not to be running to the doctor when the malady is not serious and can be effecively treated at home.  I know when I was a kid the only time anyone went to the doctor was to get a school physical or get something stitched up.  The younger of those reading this might find that hard  to believe but I know some of you are Boomers like me and can vouch for the accuracy of my statement. 

[Dr. MD MD]

There is another downside to providing all comers with free or inexpensive medical care.  I have friends and acquaintances who are military doctors and of course I was treated by them for 26 years.  What I have heard them say time and again is that when there is easy, cheap or cost free access to health care providers there is a tendancy for too many dependent wives/husbands/children to strain  the system by seeking treatment for the most minor of complaints.  Sometimes care amounts to nothing more than reassurance and handholding for spouses who are dealing with the absence of the service member during long deployments of anywhere from 6 to 12 months and longer in the cases of certain units.

I believe this kind of overuse is true of too many Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance patients whose plans provide for low or no co-payments for a doctors visits.    There should be some incentive for people not to be running to the doctor when the malady is not serious and can be effecively treated at home.  I know when I was a kid the only time anyone went to the doctor was to get a school physical or get something stitched up.  The younger of those reading this might find that hard  to believe but I know some of you are Boomers like me and can vouch for the accuracy of my statement.

It's true...but what you're essentially saying is that a lot of people are panicky idiots and there's no comprehensive medical cure for that yet. Right now they tend to clog up hospital emergency rooms with minor things like cold and flu, etc. and trust me, they really fucking hate that there. I remember going to an emergency room once when I was young had a really raw throat (that wasn't cold) that came on suddenly. Anyway, they were really condescending about it and made sure that I knew that they felt like I was wasting their time. I was a little insulted at the time but came to understand it later. I agree, people shouldn't be running to the doctor for every little thing but neither should they feel dissuaded from going if they're genuinely concerned about something. It's a fine line but I suppose most would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to their health.

[pyewacket]

...   , maybe the sharks will eat them.

Nah- professional courtesy would prevent them from doing that.

[Meister_000]

Steve Bannon a man on our side. Never Forget
{TCPAC vid}

Never Forget, indeed -- the cut of this man!

"The Church Militant"
Steve Bannon skyping to a Vatican conference in 2014
https://youtu.be/JCVvc2hNVMU

[TigerLily]

Maybe you can understand how some of us felt for the last eight years.

I was not happy with Dubya, either. So it's more like that last 16 years.

Add Clinton and make it 24 years. ...

I haven't been happy since The Gipper ...

Damn! That is a lot of losing. No wonder even though you guys won you are still such a cranky lot. You have my sympathies

[Meister_000]

It's true...but what you're essentially saying is that a lot of people are panicky idiots and there's no comprehensive medical cure for that yet. Right now they tend to clog up hospital emergency rooms with minor things like cold and flu, etc. and trust me, they really fucking hate that there. I remember going to an emergency room once when I was young had a really raw throat (that wasn't cold) that came on suddenly. Anyway, they were really condescending about it and made sure that I knew that they felt like I was wasting their time. I was a little insulted at the time but came to understand it later. I agree, people shouldn't be running to the doctor for every little thing but neither should they feel dissuaded from going if they're genuinely concerned about something. It's a fine line but I suppose most would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to their health.

Yes. And adding; self-diagnosing your kids ailments is probably not so smart, nevermind the risk of  "negligence" charges and Child Protective Services involvement you're susceptible to if something does go wrong (and you hadn't taken them to or otherwise consulted the doc).

In this day and age, cell-phone vid-conf app Mobile Care for "Remote Diagnosis and Screening" could help save time, costs, and lives. Really, it's long over-due -- almost everyone now has a smart-phone.

[Dr. MD MD]

Damn! That is a lot of losing. No wonder even though you guys won you are still such a cranky lot. You have my sympathies

Are you not American? Have you been winning this whole time? If so, I'd say you must be one of the elites in this country and then I'd have to ask what are you bitching about?! 

[PB the Deplorable]

Damn! That is a lot of losing. No wonder even though you guys won you are still such a cranky lot. You have my sympathies

But not Mexico.  They're on a long term hot streak

[TigerLily]

But not Mexico.  They're on a long term hot streak

[Dr. MD MD]

She can stay. 

[ItsOver]

But not Mexico.  They're on a long term hot streak

Hell, they couldn't even save us from Noory when they had the chance.

[Meister_000]

Vice President Henry Wallace (1944)
on American Fascism

[Dr. MD MD]

Vice President Henry Wallace (1944)
on American Fascism

He should've been the next president instead of Truman. 

[Meister_000]

He should've been the next president instead of Truman. 

I don't know anything about him -- cept, I like him so far. 

[Dr. MD MD]

I don't know anything about him -- cept, I like him so far. 

You should read up about him or look up a documentary. He was a much more interesting and qualified guy compared to Truman. I think there's a segment of Oliver Stone's Untold History that deals with him too. 

[Meister_000]

You should read up about him or look up a documentary. He was a much more interesting and qualified guy compared to Truman. I think there's a segment of Oliver Stone's Untold History that deals with him too. 

Ok, thanks.

[Juan]

Who are 'they'? The same 'they' that is behind everything Alex Jones rants about? If the audience can't tell what a Russian flag looks like after all the friggin fuss being made with them in the news, they need to get their heads out of their arses and smell the coffee; the world isn't a conference hall in some city where the pathological liar is going to self aggrandise.

The "they" is the political group Americans Take Action - said group paid for the flags. It would appear that the transnational progressive narrative is that the Russians stole the election from Hillary and so these political groups are going to create "evidence" to "prove" it. This narrative business is poisonous. I'm stunned the CPAC people didn't recognize the flags.  The incident shows the fallacy of joining.

[Meister_000]

Vice President Henry Wallace - (broadcast speech/address, excerpts)
"Century of the Common Man" | May 8th 1942

". . . if the Rights of the Common Man are attacked, it unleashes the Ferocity of a She-Bear who has lost a cub. . . .The truth is, that when the rights of the American people are transgressed, as those rights have been transgressed, the American people will fight with a relentless fury which will drive the ancient Teutonic gods back cowering into their caves. The Götterdämmerung has come for Odin and his crew."

"Some have spoken of the "American Century." I say that the Century on which we are entering -- the century which will come out of this War -- can be and must be The Century of the Common Man (around the Globe)."

[Meister_000]

Vice President Henry Wallace
(Full audio of broadcast address 30mins- plus text excerpt)
"Century of the Common Man"
May 8th 1942

https://youtu.be/OBWula5GyAc


[But] "in countries where the ability to read and write has been recently acquired or where the people have had no long experience in governing themselves on the basis of their own thinking, it is easy for demagogues to arise and prostitute the mind of the common man to their own base ends. Such a demagogue may get financial help from some person of wealth who is unaware of what the end result will be. With this backing, the demagogue may dominate the minds of the people, and, from whatever degree of freedom they have, lead them backward into slavery. Herr Thyssen, the wealthy German steel man, little realized what he was doing when he gave Hitler enough money to enable him to play on the minds of the German people.

The demagogue is the curse of the modern world, and of all the demagogues, the worst are those financed by well-meaning wealthy men who sincerely believe that their wealth is likely to be safer if they can hire men with political "it" to change the sign posts and lure the people back into slavery of the most degraded kind. Unfortunately for the wealthy men who finance movements of this sort, as well as for the people themselves, The successful demagogue is a powerful genie who, when once let out of his bottle, refuses to obey anyone's command. As long as his spell holds, he defies God Himself, and Satan is turned loose upon the world.

Through the leaders of the Nazi revolution, Satan now is trying to lead the common man of the whole world back into slavery and darkness. For the stark truth is that the violence preached by the Nazis is the devil's own religion of darkness. So also is the doctrine that one race or one class is by heredity superior and that all other races or classes are supposed to be slaves. THE belief in one Satan-inspired Fuhrer, with his Quislings, his Lavals, and his Mussolinis -- his "gauleiters" in every nation in the world -- is the last and ultimate darkness. Is there any hell hotter than that of being a Quisling, unless it is that of being a Laval or a Mussolini?

In a twisted sense, there is something almost great in the figure of the Supreme Devil operating through a human form, in a Hitler who has the daring to spit straight into the eye of God and man. But the Nazi system has a heroic position for only one leader. By definition only one person is allowed to retain full sovereignty over his own soul. All the rest are stooges -- they are stooges who have been mentally and politically degraded, and who feel that they can get square with the world only by mentally and politically degrading other people. These stooges are really psychopathic cases. Satan has turned loose upon us the insane."

[Juan]

You do realize that Wallace was a supporter of Stalin, that the Communist Party USA supported his 1948 candidacy (and he refused to denounce their support), and his position on Fascism and National Socialism is that of Stalin, don't you? 

[Meister_000]

You do realize that Wallace was a supporter of Stalin, that the Communist Party USA supported his 1948 candidacy (and he refused to denounce their support), and his position on Fascism and National Socialism is that of Stalin, don't you?

Good Lord !

- You do realize that Russia* and the U.S. were ALLIES in WWII don't you?
- And you do know that Wallace despised both Fascism and National Socialism DON'T YOU?
- And you do know that National Socialism IS Nazism  don't you?
- And you do understand therefore that you are FULL OF SHIT -- don't you?

[*Wallace's refusal to publicly disavow the endorsement of his candidacy by the Communist Party (USA) cost him the backing of many anti-Communist liberals and of independent socialist Norman Thomas.]

[21st Century Man]

Wallace also supported Nixon in 1960.

[Meister_000]

Wallace also supported Nixon in 1960.

And _you_ supported Donald Trump in 2016 and are therefore an (unwitting wittless dupt) Fascist.

[21st Century Man]

And _you_ supported Donald Trump in 2016 and are therefore an (unwitting wittless dupt) Fascist.

I'd vote for ANYTHING over Hillary Clinton.  Besides you are the only one on bellgab calling Trump a Fascist and forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

[Meister_000]

I'd vote for ANYTHING over Hillary Clinton.

Obviously!

But this is no way for you to start your day, and I apologize.. I only came back at you because there are times when you would do well to simply keep your mouth shut. If you have nothing to say, say nothing. Or better yet, read through some of the texts I posted from Wallace's address or watch/listen to his (in fact historically important and famous) speech. i.e. learn something.

[21st Century Man]

Obviously!

To choose otherwise would be insane.

[Juan]

National socialism and Nazis are the same and of course Wallace hated them.  It was Stalinist doctrine. Hatred of one form of tyranny is no reason to support another.

[PB the Deplorable]

Vice President Henry Wallace - (broadcast speech/address, excerpts)
"Century of the Common Man" | May 8th 1942

". . . if the Rights of the Common Man are attacked, it unleashes the Ferocity of a She-Bear who has lost a cub. . . .The truth is, that when the rights of the American people are transgressed, as those rights have been transgressed, the American people will fight with a relentless fury which will drive the ancient Teutonic gods back cowering into their caves. The Götterdämmerung has come for Odin and his crew."

"Some have spoken of the "American Century." I say that the Century on which we are entering -- the century which will come out of this War -- can be and must be The Century of the Common Man (around the Globe)."

You apparently believe this and the other quotes you've been led to have something to do with Donald Trump, and of course in no way describe Obama, Hilary, the elites in both parties, and the globalists.

It would be useful for you too include a short list of Trump policies you believe these various quotes describe, otherwise we don't know what you're talking about. 

[PB the Deplorable]

Good Lord !

- You do realize that Russia* and the U.S. were ALLIES in WWII don't you?...

And the Left never stopped loving the Soviet Union, even though the war ended, they seized Eastern Europe, spread their destructive ideology, and kept the world on edge for decades.  Or maybe because of it.  Only now that Russia is no longer part of their left-wing one-world government dream do they oppose the government there.

How many nutty Left wingers went to places like Cuba and Hugo Chavez' Venezuela and came back smitten with them?  Or sided with the Russian/Cuban backed terrorists in Central America in the 1980s?  Or thought Pol Pot was just wonderful until his genocide could no longer be hidden from the world?

Let's not pretend that was all just the convenience of wartime.

[Meister_000]

It would be useful for you too include a short list of Trump policies you believe these various quotes describe, otherwise we don't know what you're talking about.

You got two choices to explain your "unknowing": brazen deciet or willfull ignorance -- take your pick.
And of course, the headlines of any newspaper in this country will provide you with your "shortlist", so I needn't waste any more of my time on you.