Billy Meier - Michael Horn

[MichaelHorn]

Thanks Chris, maybe you can suggest some suitable medication to YP. He apparently has some...anger management issues.

[Yorkshire pud]

Thanks Chris, maybe you can suggest some suitable medication to YP. He apparently has some...anger management issues.

Nothing a good pint of Speckled Hen wouldn't put right. Not sure it would work for your psychosis though. Perhaps.

[MichaelHorn]

I don't imbibe, I don't want to stunt my growth, thanks for the offer.

[Auslandia]

I'm enjoying this circle of friends just hanging out & enjoying each other's company

[MichaelHorn]

Yes, mate, it's a veritable love fest.

Cheers.

[whoozit]

Is there a steel cage match scheduled?  Last one conscious wins. 

[MichaelHorn]

I think that means that we all lost.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I think that means that we all lost.

You're so right, you sinewy, sinuous sage.  In an ideal universe, we would amiably settle our differences with egg nog and mittens, and all our endings would be happy. 

[Yorkshire pud]

I don't imbibe, I don't want to stunt my growth, thanks for the offer.

What happened then? Your mother inhale a bottle of JD a day when she carried you?

[MichaelHorn]

BTW, our recently departed Mr. Liar has been busy still trying to find things to attack in the Meier case but, knowing that when he tries to return here to do so, he still won't be able to refute or rebut the authentication of the WCUFO...or his own results using PhotoShop.

So wait for his "I'm back" - or not - moment, since he's still smarting from having been shown to be an inept accuser and a very poor researcher.

[Yorkshire pud]

BTW, our recently departed Mr. Liar has been busy still trying to find things to attack in the Meier case but, knowing that when he tries to return here to do so, he still won't be able to refute or rebut the authentication of the WCUFO...or his own results using PhotoShop.

So wait for his "I'm back" - or not - moment, since he's still smarting from having been shown to be an inept accuser and a very poor researcher.

You could have avoided all this unpleasantness by simply asking your spaceship friends to post a video to show everyone how wonderful they are... but alas.

[Auslandia]

BTW, our recently departed Mr. Liar has been busy still trying to find things to attack in the Meier case but, knowing that when he tries to return here to do so, he still won't be able to refute or rebut the authentication of the WCUFO...or his own results using PhotoShop.

So wait for his "I'm back" - or not - moment, since he's still smarting from having been shown to be an inept accuser and a very poor researcher.

If I'm being perfectly honest I'd estimate that the majority of Bellgab members think Meier lying so posting here only fans the flames.

[MichaelHorn]

YP: Obviously, among other things, they're not concerned with what anonymous cowards hiding behind cute little screen names "think".

Aus: The word "think" is also misused in your comment.

But while we're talking about anonymous cowards and thinking, here's today's news, which I know will actually encourage many to be grateful that they AREN'T courageous enough to stand behind their own nonsense:

http://theyflyblog.com/?p=3700

[Yorkshire pud]

YP: Obviously, among other things, they're not concerned with what anonymous cowards hiding behind cute little screen names "think".

Aus: The word "think" is also misused in your comment.

But while we're talking about anonymous cowards and thinking, here's today's news, which I know will actually encourage many to be grateful that they AREN'T courageous enough to stand behind their own nonsense:

http://theyflyblog.com/?p=3700

You don't understand the notion of handles in forums do you? Have you watched the film 'Convoy'? Kris Kristofferson's character, is using 'Rubber Duck' as a handle for communication..you'll work it out.

[MichaelHorn]

I see, "Convoy" is you reference point. Haven't seen it but I have a feeling that some of the people portrayed in there actually met/knew/could meet/know each other. My guess is that they weren't anonymous, angry cowards who wouldn't stand up for who they really are.

Having spent just a little time with Kristofferson around 1970, I doubt that he'd play that kind of characterless character, one such as...yourself of course.

[Yorkshire pud]

I see, "Convoy" is you reference point. Haven't seen it but I have a feeling that some of the people portrayed in there actually met/knew/could meet/know each other. My guess is that they weren't anonymous, angry cowards who wouldn't stand up for who they really are.

Having spent just a little time with Kristofferson around 1970, I doubt that he'd play that kind of characterless character, one such as...yourself of course.

He he...'little time' as in he tripped over you walking out of the gents? What has my true identity got to do with the veracity of your claims about the one armed bandit? Okay Mike..my name is Steve. Feel better?

[MichaelHorn]

Well, Steve - you're half way there, now doesn't that feel better? Hey, everyone, say hello to Steve, he's kinda, almost, I guess you'd say...coming out, ya know, on his way to being a full person, right here before our very eyes.

Actually I first met Kris at a friend's house in L.A., then again at his gig at the Troubadour in L.A. and I was invited to an after party show with him and some other Nashville songwriters. Never got to know him well, just part of the history of those times.

[pate]

Nothing a good pint of Speckled Hen wouldn't put right. Not sure it would work for your psychosis though. Perhaps.

YP, I know you are lawst innamonks yer, see-bring (that's a chevy, sir).

Here's your dose of the Black Rooster.  Hope it is enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz7o21hyo2Y

'pologies if the Milgrams' taint 'nuff.

[Yorkshire pud]

Well, Steve - you're half way there, now doesn't that feel better? Hey, everyone, say hello to Steve, he's kinda, almost, I guess you'd say...coming out, ya know, on his way to being a full person, right here before our very eyes.

Not sure what difference it makes to you or me posting my name. You're still a charlatan.

[MichaelHorn]

Say, Steve, is Charlatan your idea of the male version of...Charlotte?

And did ever occur to you - as it finally did to that poor Liar fella - that you actually don't know what you're talking about and couldn't substantiate it if your life depended on it?

Think carefully before popping out that last name of yours. Those who may know would, well, also feel the embarrassment you so seek to avoid.

[Yorkshire pud]

Say, Steve, is Charlatan your idea of the male version of...Charlotte?

And did ever occur to you - as it finally did to that poor Liar fella - that you actually don't know what you're talking about and couldn't substantiate it if your life depended on it?

Think carefully before popping out that last name of yours. Those who may know would, well, also feel the embarrassment you so seek to avoid.

Know what I'm talking about? Well insofar as I haven't made model space ships (I have plenty of experience building radio control gliders however), fabricating scenarios which have very dodgy filming, fabricated photos to show 'aliens', pulling stills of TV shows to show same, lifting pictures out of books to show dinosaurs, build a cult following thereafter and make money doing it, playing on the guilibility of a few; then no. I don't. You however are an expert on the above.

Look. I have no illusions of making you be anything other than you are (charlatan), but just in case anyone sees this thread who isn't familiar with your bullshit, they should know you're a charlatan.

[MichaelHorn]

Steve, let’s be clear. You’re not an informed skeptic, you’re an unhappy (probably even miserable) person who lurks around, taking perverse delight in spewing nonsense from the internet because you have, well, nothing going for you.

So, for the benefit of “anyone” who sees this thread, I clarify.

Real skeptics are valuable, People like Prof. Scott Antes (http://theyflyblog.com/2016/01/05/skepticism-bears-good-fruit-when-truth-prevails/) a true SCIENTIFIC skeptic just had me make my SECOND presentation to his university class. Probably the only way you’ll even get into such a classroom is if you donate your brain - such as it is - to science.

Now, since of course the, let’s call him Departed Liar couldn’t do it, I know you won’ the able to either, but I’ll post it anyway for those “anyones” who want to see that half-a-man Steve is just a wannabe who thinks because his mom gave him a radio controlled glider kit…he’s some kind of “expert":

   http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf

…with plenty of other analyses, corroborations, etc., linked from:

   http://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence

…as for “stills from TV shows”,

   http://www.theyfly.com/Asket_&_Nera.htm

And as for money-making cults…your evidence please. Not just whatever idiocy you found online.

Steve, quite seriously, stop being the angry, self-loathing half-a-man who has nothing better to do than to try to harm others who actually stand for something for value. If you feel that you’ve wasted your life so far with your self-inflicted misery, you’re right.

But if you can grow a pair and REALLY look yourself in the mirror, you may begin to turn around that mess that is your life as an online hater.

[chefist]

Michael! Are you still going to call into the GabCast with George Senda tomorrow? Everyone is excited for that possibility!

[Yorkshire pud]

Okay, I have no scientific credentials...but here's somone who has, from page one of this very thread. Funny how you only post sceptics who agree with you eh? This one doesn't.

Dr Stuart Robbins PhD to be exact.

Michael Horn, the "Authorized American Media Representative" of Billy Meier, is slated for tomorrow, December 11, 2011.  The host, Wells, explains how Horn got on considering that Horn was banned from Coast a few months ago and he was happy about it.

Horn has a habit of making a lot of noise.  A LOT of noise.  And refusing to actually answer a question when cornered, but instead turning around and claiming victory anyway.  For some reason I don't quite understand - probably because I haven't outright ignored him - Horn has become what I can only think of at this point at least minorly obsessed with me.  As evidence to that, I point to my blog (linked in signature) which he subscribes to and will post in the comments section on anything he can even slightly latch Meier material onto.  I can refer you even to my latest post, second comment, for that.

It's partially because of his comments there that I'm posting here, for I think there's a non-trivial possibility that Horn will actually discuss me on this show, and I have no doubt he will skew the facts of the matter and come very close to slander.  He's already been libelous with making a hate page about me on his site (something I consider a bit of a skeptical badge of honor).

To iterate my position for the first time here and for the re-upteenth time elsewhere, I have investigated a VERY specific claim Michael Horn made about Billy Meier's predictions, and this was in reference to the asteroid Apophis.  In my first post, Michael put forth evidence he claimed shows Meier's power of phorphecy or fore-knoweldge of that asteroid.  I then made a second post on the subject where I combed through the Meier material on the prediction and showed that it was pure retrodiction -- the claimed evidence was not there to support Michael's claim.  Then I made yet a third post that addressed that specific claim as well as a the scientific process a bit more broadly, specifically what falsification means in science.  There was no prejudice, I took a magnifying glass to that specific claim and looked for evidence that was not there.

Since then, I have pretty much refused to engage Horn until he presents further evidence that my analysis was flawed, or he presents further evidence that I did not know of before that does show that Apophis was not a retrodiction.  He has failed to do so.  This is despite his claims to the contrary.  As far as I can tell, his only "answer" was contained in his blog post, "The Answer".  If you read it, you will see he does not do what I asked.  He squirms around the issue and claims that the Plejaran aliens could not have given Meier the specific material, or Meier could not have said it until after the fact, due to plausible deniability issues.  Even if that were the case, it does not provide further evidence that Meier predicted Apophis.

Anyway, I look "forward" perhaps with a bit of dread to tomorrow's interview.  We'll see what happens.  His latest shtick is the prophetic Jupiter and Io information of Meier, which I will likely address in a future blog series at some point, but I'm too busy with other stuff and I have other interests at the moment.  I wouldn't be surprised if he talks about his claims that "the skeptic" who debunked the Jupiter and Io information actually proved Meier right in a later analysis by Horn.

I'll likely do a post about Horn's appearance on C2C tomorrow IF there's anything new he brings up, or specific that he talks about that I can quickly sink my teeth into.  If he talks about me, I will likely NOT do a post because I'm satisfied with the record as laid out in my blog.

Horn is a paranoid media-hungry person who has no qualms with stretching, bending, or just shooting right past the truth to further his own gains.  This is even to the point of first being happy to respond to and help a German girl named "Jennifer" in the comments section of this blog post (just search for "Jennifer") to, after he realized she wasn't buying his excuses, starting to rant against her and thinking she's some sort of intelligence agency operative in his blog.

As I said, we'll see what happens tomorrow night.

[MichaelHorn]

Hi chefist,

My meeting tomorrow night (every second Friday) is from 7 - 9, plus I really wasn't invited and so it's not great form to come on and be perceived to be "promoting the Meier case". I'll be delighted to be interviewed, questioned, challenged if invited.

Poor Steve, here you go to all that trouble, again scouring the internet to try to find something in order to discredit Meier. And, gosh, you really picked a loser there.

Not only did this demolish Robbins' potential attack on Meier's Jupiter info:

http://www.theyfly.com/Confirming-Meier.htm

...it HELPED to corroborate Meier's preemptive, prophetic accuracy.

And trying to tie your fortunes to world-class cord Robbins is about as big a blunder as an angry guy like you can make. Robbins' record of CENSORING Meier material that show Robbins to be a pseudo-scientist goes back a LONG way:

http://www.theyfly.com/Special-Evidence-Research.htm

http://www.theyfly.com/The-Coward-and-Fraud.htm

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/8/prweb8735441.htm

http://theyflyblog.com/2014/07/25/stuart-robbins-admits-wcufo-photo-real/

http://theyflyblog.com/2015/01/23/billy-meier-more-constant-than-the-speed-of-light/

And there are many more.

Try prioritizing the truth over pathetic attempts to play gotcha, you may find the happiness that's so-far proved very elusive.

[Auslandia]

More love & good vibes on the Meier thread. 

[chefist]

The GabCast will air Friday (Today) at 8PM Eastern, 5PM Pacific. It will be hosted by Falkie2013, making his debut as a solo long-form radio host.

Call Falkie2013 at 623-242-CAST(2278).
Listen live at UFOShip.com/chat

He'll be discussing the news of the day and various other issues that are of interest to him.

[Auslandia]

The GabCast will air Friday (Today) at 8PM Eastern, 5PM Pacific. It will be hosted by Falkie2013, making his debut as a solo long-form radio host.

Call Falkie2013 at 623-242-CAST(2278).
Listen live at UFOShip.com/chat

He'll be discussing the news of the day and various other issues that are of interest to him.

This sounds horrifying

[chefist]

We really want Michael Horn to call in!

[MichaelHorn]

Hi chefist,

I'm not at all familiar with the host, other than some mention of him on this forum, but I would be glad to discuss the Meier case if he's interested in doing so. I'm probably back in my office from around 5:30 - 7:00.

If that interests him and he wants me to call in for that reason, etc., perhaps he could let me know.

Thanks.