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Quote from: Ciardelo on May 31, 2016, 07:32:06 AM
New Horizons' Best Close-Up of Pluto's Surface

Bb.....bbb.....but, Hoagland was the only one who got it right. He said so, and he has never been wrong about anything. Ever. Well, that's not entirely correct. He admitted that his Von Braun's secret calculation needed "revising", years ago. I am not sure how many. Expat will know the timeframe. Yet it still remains on his website.

Any scientist worth his salt will freely admit that if future data proves their hypothesis wrong they will change their position. Hoagland tries to emulate this view. He will say, " if new data appears to conflict with our original model, we are more than willing to change our model."
There is a caveat to this though.....which he will never utter. "As long as it doesn't detract from or disprove our base hypotheses."

He's a slippery old bugger. He is the pseudoscientific analog of trying to put an octopus into a string bag.

Quote from: Nobody on May 30, 2016, 05:04:28 AM
That's what makes the whole affair so amusing and appalling at the same time: the fact that you can see the whole sorry story on his own website.  The man has absolutely no sense of awareness whatever that he comes off as an arrogant prat.

For the sake of anyone still unfamiliar with it, here is the reasonably civil letter from NASA declining Hoagland's request (which, knowing him, was not so much a request as an overbearing demand) for press credentials:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/nasa-pr.gif

And here is Hoagland's splendidly awful reply:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/goldin.html

It will surprise no one familiar with Hoagland that we are not two sentences into the letter before he refers to himself as "network science advisor* to Walter Cronkite."

Considering that letter turns two decades old this year, and yet could still be readily attributed to him today, I'm surprised Hoagland has any arse left at this point.





*Maybe it's just me, but I suspect that "network science advisor" is not a title that Walter Cronkite conferred upon Hoagland, but rather, was entirely self-styled.  :

I imagine the years he spent on Coast having his ego fluffed by lonely old ladies and retards may have contributed to his runaway hubris.
He reveled in the same sort of thing initially on Facebook. Where his congregation would jostle to be next to lick his leathery bottom. Then the dissenters appeared.

It took the great man quite some time to figure out how to ban people from his page. Instead he sent a warning to those who dare question him. By stating that his farcebook page would be guarded by mods from all over the world 24/7 with their fingers poised on the delete message button. In his defence, this was way before he knew what a USB port was. The ban stick was wielded heftily and many were culled. There was no dissent allowed. Not even polite questioning. As the future Nobel laureate himself stated, "This is MY room"

He abandoned his page in May 2014 or thereabouts. Leaving his trusty lieutenant Greg "kneepads" Ahrens in charge. Greg is some old codger that Hoagland refers to as "An Enterprise research associate." I think he even had him on OSOM as a yes man guest.
I've not looked at his flakebook page for ages. But I think Robin pops in now and again and posts what is coming up on OSOM.

Speaking of "Dr" Falkov. I wonder how many bottles of Gulf Oil Spill Remedy she sold. Apparently it even worked on pets.

Quote from: ( Amy ) on May 25, 2016, 07:17:40 AM
Haha yep. Had fun but was a little disturbed by the rapidity for which valid scientific notions seem to be dismissed.
I listened to the last half hour. It was difficult.
How much he attempts to mix pseudoscience, paranormal claims, pareidolia, coincidences and the like with science is disturbing, but it crosses that line for me as I wonder, does he really believe all of this? And if so, I won't chide him for his beliefs but man. He really has some people confused and misled if these ideas aren't valid or supported by significant peer reviewed research in the slightest.
It's nothing personal. I just disagree, and I told him so. He asked me to look something up I was unfamiliar with. I did. I'm still asking him to show me the evidence.

I have been told on good authority that Hoaxy believes his torsion field stuff. The other stuff I am not so sure about.
He is in his element when talking to the scientifically illiterate. But, if he gets a call from an engineer, or indeed anybody who actually knows what they are talking about he immediately resorts to his default defence system. That is; gish gallop and name dropping.

I have wondered for many years now how he can actually make a living out of this lamentable horseshit. After his Elenin nonsense was outed I noticed that his conference appearances were diluted, eventually reaching zero. I cannot say for certain what his financial position is, but, I do know that he had to move house to a small place called Deming. It's a tiny place with trailer park type housing. In fact I believe the house he moved into belonged (belongs) to his sister.

The spiral into the preposterous in my opinion can be traced back to NASA refusing his press accreditation. You can see the whole sorry story on his website. NASA really threw him a stinger, and suggested that he hawk his wares in a public area. Oh my, how the ego was bruised. Henceforth the NASA hatred began, and has never waned. For a time he made decent cash out of conferences. I was told by Richard Dolan that at a conference he appeared at, that, "the majority of people were there to hear Hoagland." How the mighty have fallen since.

His horseshit has reached unparalleled heights in an attempt to remain relevant. Take for example the New Horizons Pluto encounter. Within minutes of the first images arriving on Earth Hoagland and Laney were seeing arcologies. Just as many, including myself predicted he would. He then went on to declare, "I was the only one who got it right." The hubris of the man is quite astonishing.

His experiments with a laptop and a microset timer coupled to a 40 year old watch are simply laughable. As an electronics engineer I could list a veritable plethora of mistakes he is guilty of. But no need. Expat has detailed them eloquently several times on The Emoluments of Mars blog.

I genuinely take no pleasure in seeing a man who is down being kicked. My gloat-o-meter is barely registering. But I do have to concede that he had it coming. Smugness, hubris, and ego will always end up biting you on the arse. When you refer to a genuine scientist like our own Dr Robbins as a "crater counter", and laugh, because Dr Robbins totally wiped the YouTube floor with him. You are simply begging for karma.

Quote from: astroguy on December 16, 2015, 12:16:00 AM
Par-ISIS?!!?!?!?!  Go to hell, Richard.

It's not the first time he's done that Astro.

I think it's par for the course. This bastard Hoagland will use any (and I really mean any) tragic event to grandstand, self-aggrandize, and bring attention to himself. He has a long list of previous for this sort of thing. So yeah go to hell Hoagland. You disgusting fuck.

Quote from: coaster on December 06, 2015, 11:49:45 AM
I just logged in to post about this after reading the story on yahoo. How much do you want to bet hoagland says he is responsible for this? It wasn't the doctors or the treatment, it was hoagland.

I agree. That would be typical of Hoagland. I expect a preen-fest.
I'm waiting for him to refer to the "al-Idrisi mountains" on Pluto. You see "al-Idrisi" is almost an anagram of "Isis." - That is more than sufficient "data" for Hoagland to begin his monster extrapolations. Oh and there's more.....Enter Wiki.

Abu Abd Allah Muhammad al-Idrisi al-Qurtubi al-Hasani al-Sabti, or simply Al Idrisi /ælɪˈdriːsiː/, was a Muslim geographer, cartographer and Egyptologist.

Isis,Egyptologist.....<insert here "the model">

Quote from: (Sandman) Logan-5 on December 01, 2015, 01:34:43 AM


The problem is, every picture sources back to enterprise mission.
Damn, where's expat when we need him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zq8ZyQWa1Y

Here is Mike Bara. Hoagland's acolyte and main arse licker telling us how to make a robot head out of a random rock in shorty crater. Try it for yourself. Mike is such a fucking genius he can fake shit in the cheapest of paint packages.

Quote from: paladin1991 on November 18, 2015, 09:44:31 AM
So I fell asleep last night listening to Hoaxland.     Woke up at one point, did I actually hear Hoaxland tieing ISIS to Isis?  Again?

Indeed, and his guest laughed.

Quote from: Zzzzillion on November 11, 2015, 12:20:30 AM
Hoagland did prison time?

My deposition just took a fun new turn.

http://binaryspellbook.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/hoagland-denies-being-in-jail-for-fraud.html

How Hoagland's self-aggrandizing and use of tragedy to bring attention to himself makes me feel.
Like Alex, in A Clockwork Orange, eyes pinned open and forced to watch Miley Cyrus' repugnant chicken butt.

Quote from: expat on November 11, 2015, 09:32:47 AM
So now I'm a prankster, huh? Well there's no shame in that...

Don't forget Expat. You are also a homo, a psycho, a stalker and unstable.
Never mind all those books you wrote or all the documentaries regarding the space program you produced for the BBC.
Forget that fact that you actually knew and interviewed Russian and American astronauts, Carl Sagan and Patrick Moore. The venerable Richard C. Hoagland can trump you anytime old man, by simply calling you a paid NASA shill (as he has done me and Stu Robbins), because the branch Hoaglandia will simply roll with whatever their high priest dictates.

He actually IS (forgive my honest Celtic tongue)..... a cunt.

Kindest regards
A useless eater.

Quote from: chefist on November 11, 2015, 08:50:12 AM
Second caller challenged him on writing his book in prison and credit card fraud...pretty good start...

Did he admit to being in the slammer ?

Quote from: astroguy on November 11, 2015, 01:10:21 AM
The amazing arrogance of this man to claim he's the only person to accurately predict what would be found on Pluto.  I mean, seriously, there are not words to describe the disgust when he says this ...

Exactly Stuart.

Even though it was expected, I still found myself grinding my teeth and fighting a Celtic rage fit when Hoagland began "analysing" images of Pluto, and within 10 minutes of their arrival on Planet Earth had it all figured out. All from one bloody photograph. Arcologies of course. Meanwhile the New Horizons team were saying we don't know what we are looking at yet. We need more time to analyse the data.

He did the same thing with the "Ceres lights" - had it all figured out as a ruined city with the lights still on. All from one photograph. Now we are being told there is a 4 mile high pyramid which was actually a flying city that landed on Ceres. Oh, and the frame number has the number 1995 included. Which Hoagland claimed was code for 19.5.

http://binaryspellbook.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/hoagland-self-destructs-on-air.html

Quote from: stargazr1976 on October 16, 2015, 07:36:32 AM
You sir I didnt ask. I am chatting in a forum. You have and agenda be it right or wrong. Not what i came for. YOu have a website. Plug it and fuck off.

Teenager ?
Drunk ?
WTF ?

Trolling can be fun. But come on. The above was sub-par COD forum worthy bunkum.

Quote from: (Sandman) Logan-5 on September 22, 2015, 01:58:21 AM


The Braaptasticon of the Almighty Hoagmeister is officially concluded. So sayeth the High Priest of the cult of Braapinality.


   
Braaps be with you all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_C4bFfATGY

The Cydonia rubbish always amuses me. Astrostu shows us why it's utter bollocks.

Quote from: jazmunda on September 16, 2015, 01:02:28 AM
Is there any photographic evidence of RCH knowing Asimov, Clarke and Roddenberry? Not calling him a liar but his stories about these great Sci-Fi people make out as if he was a guy who slept on their couches.

There is an essay out there somewhere called "The cruise and I." Written by Asimov regarding a cruise Hoagland set up to view the launch of Apollo 17. According to Hoagland Asimov wrote a hilariously funny essay about the whole affair. I have not read the essay but have been told that the cruise was a fucking disaster with the company losing $250,000 on the whole shenanigans. So I doubt Asimov was trying to be funny. He was telling it as it was.

The Cruise and I
Subject: personal reminiscences
First Published In: Jul-73, The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction
Collection(s):
1973 The Tragedy of the Moon

So yes Hoagland did meet Asimov. That, however, doesn't mean he was best drinking buddies with him. As we all know. Hoagland merely has to brush past someone famous briefly in a hallway to claim them as "my good friend."

I think he knew Roddenberry given Hoagland's involvement in a campaign to keep Star Trek from being cancelled.
We will never know how close their relationship was given Hoagland's propensity for exaggeration and self-aggrandization.

I wish I could find that actual essay though.

Quote from: expat on September 11, 2015, 09:48:19 AM
astroguy should be congratulated on a fine piece of work, and Hoagland/Laney should be forced to examine it. Alien cities my ass.

He should indeed. Fine piece of work Stuart.

Hoagland "predicted" earlier this year in a book he contributed to called "Pluto: New Horizons for a Lost Horizon", that we would see arcology and ruins and all the usual Hoagland insanity. Therefore, I wasn't surprised when NASA downloaded the first images Hoagland would claim yet another prediction coming true. Even though he only had a single lossy image to work with. After all, Richard C. Hoagland is the only "scientist" on the planet that can absolutely GUARANTEE stunning results even before he starts his bullshit experiment Accutron traces.

Now that the New Horizons guys are releasing more lossy images expect Hoagland to go into hyper-bullshit mode. Further down the line when the lossless images arrive on Earth and prove he is yet again talking pish. He will claim, obfuscation, and Paintshop shenanigans from NASA.


Image credit: NASA

Rossy, any chance you can set up a Hoagland, Bara, Dr Robbins roundtable. I would pay to hear that. Especially since Bara has stolen borrowed much of Hoagland's research and written the same book 4 times with it. Dr Robbins, would, of course, be able to keep us all sane by correcting and deflecting the enormous pile of horseshit science that would be muck-spread and aimed at us from Dumb and Dumber.


Image: A horticultural representation of Hoagland and Bara speaking.

Morningstar is a seriously deluded nutcase. He also sounds drunk.

Quote from: astroguy on August 31, 2015, 10:52:10 AM
Last week, I complained about my CGI version of the flythrough the Pluto system had not yet been released.  It was released on Friday and NASA decided they even wanted to do a writeup about it.

Nice one mate. Really good job.

Quote from: Pumamama on August 25, 2015, 01:19:57 AM
"Now, if anyone cares to ever confront me face to face with this Cooper bullshit, I will be happy to demonstrate my military and law enforcement skills." - the asshat guest

Sounds like a cop to me.

I think it sounds as if it came from an "internet tough guy." A true in your face keyboard warrior. And what the fuck are law enforcement skills these days in the USA? - shooting unarmed black kids in the back.

I'd love to hear Hoagland interview Mike Bara. I have a feeling that all is not well between the ascended master of bullshit and his former acolyte. Especially since former said acolyte has recycled Hoagland's guff into 4 books of his own.

Quote from: HumanBeing on August 07, 2015, 01:01:48 AM
David Wilcock is a complete cock.

Agree.
I heard that Wilcock is now turning up to events messianically dressed all in white.
It was either that or men in white coats were seen dragging him away.

Quote from: astroguy on August 05, 2015, 09:49:07 AM
I guess the cat is out of the bag, then, and I'll blog about this.  If Richard wants me as a guest, he can contact me.  I don't expect I'll be calling back again during open lines.  If you're in actual contact with him, then kindly recommend that if he wants to debate someone, then he needs to not be the host for that, there MUST be a moderator, because he is so passionate that he has demonstrated an inability to self-moderate and keep himself on-topic and to a time limit.  Use that term "passionate," there's no reason to be insulting or use other adjectives that some people would rather prefer.

I would love to hear you debate the Hoagland. But, as you point out there would simply have to be a moderator. You did a superb job repeating the question and pointing out that Hoagland was not addressing it. Jeremy Paxman would have been proud.

For moderator may I suggest Art Bell himself. he's the only one I know who can reign in Hoagland when he goes spaz.

Quote from: nooryisawesome on August 05, 2015, 03:58:03 AM
You and I might believe that. But, for Hoagland he believes the stuff he peddles.

Do you really think that Hoagland actually believes Elenin, 67P, et al are spaceships ?

Astroguy did the best versus Hoagland I have heard yet.
No wonder Hoagland won't debate in a moderated fashion.

QuoteAnyone remember the show with Art where Hoaggie promises a paralyzed donor to Enterprise Mission that if he, and others, continue to donate to Enterprise Mission RCH will be able to somehow uncover the libraries on Mars that will lead to a cure of his paralysis and he'd walk again. Just reprehensible.

Reprehensible indeed. Hoagland is no stranger to this sort of thing. He once told a single unemployed Father to go without food for one day so he could afford to pay to hear the great Hoagland in an all bullshit Elenin stream-fest. He has also jumped on the coat tails of many major disasters in an unashamed effort to aggrandize himself and sell his rubbish. Be it a Tsunami, a Fukushima, or a Challenger disaster. Richard Hoagland will be right there shouting 19.5 and torsion fields and buy my stuff.


Meanwhile the rest of us sit teary eyed looking at the devastation caused and the families united in grief.
Hoagland is not a nice person.

I wish AB would read Expat's site and put some real challenging questions to Hoagland. Granted Art doesn't let him dictate the interview like the sycophant Snoory, but I've not heard him really press home with some of the claptrap Hoagland has spouted.

Such as his disastrous "probability calculations" in which he claimed showed comet Elenin was a hyper-dimensionally shielded space craft with a message for humanity. Elenin of course was a comet and disintegrated into a dust field.

DJE

Here's a quick look at the type of person Mike Bara is.
http://binaryspellbook.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bara/

Here's another http://binaryspellbook.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk




DJE