Midnight In The Desert

[VtaGeezer]

Really?  I've seen this critique posted repeatedly and, try as I might, I can't understand it.  It reminds me of my mom who gets all happy when she has new curtains or a new tablecloth.  Unfathomable.

I've never understood the bumper music thing some have. I could care less about 20 seconds of a song at 20 minute intervals so long as its not obnoxious.

[Robert]

Art does seem stuck in the past. Maybe it's his comfort zone. I can't blame him, it's tough enough to come back but the real challenge is to tackle unfamiliar guests and new perspectives on the old reliable subject matter. This was most evident to me by his insistence of finding "a cauldron stirring/broom flying witch" with apparently no clue as to the changes in attitude about witches over the years. Not exactly a welcome attitude in many of the pagan (term used as a broad umbrella of diverse groups) communities.

Oh, come on, didn't you get that he was trying to do something funny?  I know lots of funny pagans, but paganism per se ain't funny.  A cauldron-stirring, broom-flying witch -- or just some good faker claiming to be -- would be hilarious, or at least some kind of entertaining.

[Robert]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I thought Truth or Trash was pretty fun.

It sure was.  Of course there's only so much of that as well as any other kind of material out there, but I'm sure there'd be enough to support it 3-4 times/yr.

[Showroom Dummy]

[ItsOver]

Oh, come on, didn't you get that he was trying to do something funny?  I know lots of funny pagans, but paganism per se ain't funny.  A cauldron-stirring, broom-flying witch -- or just some good faker claiming to be -- would be hilarious, or at least some kind of entertaining.

Paglini was a hoot.  The Marlboro Woman.

[venix]

Really?  I've seen this critique posted repeatedly and, try as I might, I can't understand it.  It reminds me of my mom who gets all happy when she has new curtains or a new tablecloth.  Unfathomable.

I guess it is a reminder of Art and of the unpleasantness of Noory, also a sub-standard substitute, trying to emulate the master and failing.

[K_Dubb]

You wield that thing like a talisman!

[cosmic hobo]

Heather(redacted) is getting rough treatment for sure. Thats the way it goes in that business and the things she has said in this forum about george in the past are showing her that what goes around comes around. Yes george sucks, but its hard to defend heather against people treating her the same way she treated george if thats how people should treat those they think suck.
just a few examples,

Eeeeeewwwwww.  George.  Never, ever play "Kiss Me" ever again.  Ew.  So gross.  No one wants to get near your Bells Palsy, pizza roll burnt, mush mouth.  *shudder*
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3.msg243337.html#msg243337

I keep hoping for some sort of Noory-induced suicide/death, but it never happens.
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3.msg241124.html#msg241124

The Nooron deserves all the bashing he gets and then some!
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3.msg269036.html#msg269036

That retarded, worthless, lame, ungrateful, molester-stache wearing, creepy, inept.... grrrrrr!!!
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3.msg130947.html#msg130947

Who da thunk that Karma was an actual thang.

[ItsOver]

It sure was.  Of course there's only so much of that as well as any other kind of material out there, but I'm sure there'd be enough to support it 3-4 times/yr.

The fiddling with trying to take multiple calls on Skype got old but it was OK.  Certainly better than the flat Earth show.  That was more Noory's style.

[Value Of Pi]

In a world where the Sec'y of State attributed a lethal attack on an embassy to a video, you have to ask that?

Benghazi was a case of very bad judgement by the administration and it quickly blew up in their faces. Here, you're talking about a massive conspiracy over a 50-year period to cover up the accidental killing of a president by inventing the cover story of a controversial assassination. The first conspiracy to cover up is believable to me, the second isn't.

[Robert]

The fiddling with trying to take multiple calls on Skype got old but it was OK.  Certainly better than the flat Earth show.  That was more Noory's style.

If you just wanted to see it ridiculed, the chapter on it in Martin Gardner's Fads & Fallacies in the Name of Science is more than sufficient.  But hearing people actually arguing it live was...uh...an experience.  One of those shows that Bell really couldn't enhance but that Noory might've found a way to ruin.  Actually IIRC I sensed at a couple of points that even Art was stunting its potential.

[Jackstar]

Benghazi was a case of very bad judgement by the administration and it quickly blew up in their faces.

Your ability to speak with authority on this issue is... intriguing.

Here, you're talking about a massive conspiracy over a 50-year period to cover up the accidental killing of a president by inventing the cover story of a controversial assassination. The first conspiracy to cover up is believable to me, the second isn't.

At this point I don't believe you're even human. No shit, the killing of the President wasn't accidental. Look at you, going out on a limb!

[twiki]

Heather(redacted) is getting rough treatment for sure. Thats the way it goes in that business and the things she has said in this forum about george in the past are showing her that what goes around comes around. Yes george sucks, but its hard to defend heather against people treating her the same way she treated george if thats how people should treat those they think suck.
just a few examples,

Eeeeeewwwwww.  George.  Never, ever play "Kiss Me" ever again.  Ew.  So gross.  No one wants to get near your Bells Palsy, pizza roll burnt, mush mouth.  *shudder*
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3.msg243337.html#msg243337

I keep hoping for some sort of Noory-induced suicide/death, but it never happens.
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3.msg241124.html#msg241124

The Nooron deserves all the bashing he gets and then some!
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3.msg269036.html#msg269036

That retarded, worthless, lame, ungrateful, molester-stache wearing, creepy, inept.... grrrrrr!!!
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,3.msg130947.html#msg130947

Oh dear Lord that is some serious karma coming back to bite you on the bum.

I bet she wishes she could plug in Art's time machine and go back and slap herself upside of the head to stop her from posting those gems.

[Robert]

Benghazi was a case of very bad judgement by the administration and it quickly blew up in their faces. Here, you're talking about a massive conspiracy over a 50-year period to cover up the accidental killing of a president by inventing the cover story of a controversial assassination. The first conspiracy to cover up is believable to me, the second isn't.

It blew up in their faces because it was stupid.  The idea of the president's being the target of an assassination, however, is plausible.  And who wouldn't like to attribute an event that was actually a fuckup to someone else's malice?  Even imputing the president as the target was an aggrandizement that could be pulled off better with Connally & Kennedy than it was w Cermak & Franklin Roosevelt.

[Robert]

Ha!  Look, even now there are people who want to make it that FDR was the target when fairly simple analysis says it was Mayor Cermak that the assassin was after.

[pyewacket]

Oh, come on, didn't you get that he was trying to do something funny?  I know lots of funny pagans, but paganism per se ain't funny.  A cauldron-stirring, broom-flying witch -- or just some good faker claiming to be -- would be hilarious, or at least some kind of entertaining.

Yes, I'm aware of how funny a good parody can be on a show. I'm aware of pagan humor and appreciate it. I had suggested that Art/Heather seek out a theatrical student for the gig of the "evil witch" and angered some of the Paglini fans. I never found her the least bit entertaining. A good actor would have been the best choice.

[VtaGeezer]

The idea of the president's being the target of an assassination, however, is plausible. 

Kennedy was the target of an assassination.  The only serious issue is whether Oswald was alone.  The biggest factor in the universe of JFK theories expanding exponentially is the internet's more recent linking of nuts who feed on each other's fantasies, and the ability of the more clever to turn their paranoia into cash.  I recently heard Robt Ghostwolf describe his theory of FIVE shooters, one being GHW Bush.  And that Oswald worked for the FBI (though he shot a Dallas cop), and that there was a definitely a UFO connection. And he makes a living   deliver this level of drek to some group or show several nights a week.

[Jackstar]

The only serious issue is whether Oswald was alone.

Sure, the doctored Zapruder frames, that's not a serious issue at all. I can just envision you telling me to get off your lawn already.

[PaulAtreides]

Open lines really suck.  When it happens twice in one week, the suckage is unbearable.  Most callers are awaiting the arrival of the carnival to perchance find work outside the fast food industry where third shift urinal cake changer at Taco Bell is the job of choice.

[Dr. MD MD]

Kennedy was the target of an assassination.  The only serious issue is whether Oswald was alone.  The biggest factor in the universe of JFK theories expanding exponentially is the internet's more recent linking of nuts who feed on each other's fantasies, and the ability of the more clever to turn their paranoia into cash.  I recently heard Robt Ghostwolf describe his theory of FIVE shooters, one being GHW Bush.  And that Oswald worked for the FBI (though he shot a Dallas cop), and that there was a definitely a UFO connection. And he makes a living   deliver this level of drek to some group or show several nights a week.

Well, you're clearly in the minority on that one: http://www.gallup.com/poll/165893/majority-believe-jfk-killed-conspiracy.aspx It's OK. Just keep watching the nightly news. They'll give you all the official stories and tell you what to think. It'll be alright...really! 

[norland2424]

Well, you're clearly in the minority on that one: http://www.gallup.com/poll/165893/majority-believe-jfk-killed-conspiracy.aspx It's OK. Just keep watching the nightly news. They'll give you all the official stories and tell you what to think. It'll be alright...really! 

I dont think that hes disproving that it was a conspiracy....

[Value Of Pi]

It blew up in their faces because it was stupid.  The idea of the president's being the target of an assassination, however, is plausible.  And who wouldn't like to attribute an event that was actually a fuckup to someone else's malice?  Even imputing the president as the target was an aggrandizement that could be pulled off better with Connally & Kennedy than it was w Cermak & Franklin Roosevelt.

Well, this is really the question in terms of the scenario you cite from this author. Blaming other people for mistakes happens all the time. But in this circumstance, with these stakes, with the parties involved? And to do it successfully for all this time? I just don't see it.

I can't even get past the point of the Secret Service team leader telling his boss that no agent fired his weapon and that the kill shot must have come from a sniper (one place such a coverup would have to start). I mean, I would turn the movie version of this off right there. And this is from someone who was able to watch Oliver Stone's "JFK" all the way to the end.

[VtaGeezer]

Sure, the doctored Zapruder frames, that's not a serious issue at all. I can just envision you telling me to get off your lawn already.

One point off for cliche use.  Now provide hard independent evidence that's not hearsay and conjecture backed by selective half-truth and the drive to mistrust.  And one of the joys of living in AZ is no f'ing lawn.  Heard anything new about Jim Morrison?

[Dr. MD MD]

One point off for cliche use.  Now provide hard independent evidence that's not hearsay and conjecture backed by selective half-truth and the drive to mistrust.

You mean like the Warren Commission? 

[Chronaut]

Heather(redacted) is getting rough treatment for sure. Thats the way it goes in that business and the things she has said in this forum about george in the past are showing her that what goes around comes around.

Scathing posts on a forum are one thing.  Dozens of witless shitheads calling on open lines to heckle her and waste everyone's fucking time is quite another.

[Value Of Pi]

One point off for cliche use.  Now provide hard independent evidence that's not hearsay and conjecture backed by selective half-truth and the drive to mistrust.  And one of the joys of living in AZ is no f'ing lawn.  Heard anything new about Jim Morrison?

Definitely get the appeal of no lawn. Aren't some people in the ritzier suburbs of Phoenix still managing to water the desert?

[VtaGeezer]

You mean like the Warren Commission? 

One can't prove a negative, but 50+ years of constant and extensive in-depth indie investigation has turned up nothing of any substance. And there have been no deathbed confessions to any trusted figure (though we know we can't trust anybody; they're all in on it).

But keep up the dream...it's fun to postulate and it keeps the cranks out of real mischief.

[Value Of Pi]

You mean like the Warren Commission? 

I still have the 1965 World Book encyclopedia volume that featured the edited Warren Commission report. I treasure it.

[csummers]

Scathing posts on a forum are one thing.  Dozens of witless shitheads calling on open lines to heckle her and waste everyone's fucking time is quite another.

scathing posts like how she would enjoy making him cry on the air? I think she is getting everything she put out back at her.
I think its all childish, but when i see how she behaved i lose any compassion for her when people goof on her.

Nooron wouldn't last 5 mins, but I'd love every second of making him cry on the air.
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,4969.msg332994.html#msg332994

[Jackstar]

One point off for cliche use.  Now provide hard independent evidence

Fuck your mother. How many points is that?