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TigerLily

Quote from: Savage on June 13, 2018, 11:56:56 PM
Regarding Lyme Disease inconclusive results:

After the Western Blot- Band 23 is specific to Lyme disease. No other infection will make that band light up. Band 41 could be Lyme or something else.

Immunoglobulins: The IgM test means a more recent infection, while the IgG means an older infection, so each one matters:  it's simply a timing measure of where you might be in an infection.

Try and find a Lyme specialist, called an LLMD. Rheumatologists are not Lyme specialists so push this with your HMO. http://www.ilads.org/ can help you, email them.

Thanks, you Savage you. Couldn't help myself


starrmtn001

Quote from:  839
WHAT !   ??
Find a different nutritionist !   ;)
Oh, she wants me to give up the chocolates.  I don't wanna. :'(    ;D

Bluejay

Quote from: spookcat on June 14, 2018, 12:00:15 AM
Chocolate is a staple food.
One of the essential food groups, for sure!

TigerLily

Quote from: StarrMountain on June 13, 2018, 11:45:54 PM
I've done that too.  Don't wanna give up my chocolate! ;D

70% or more dark chocolate is a health food. Seriously!

Ediot: In reasonable amounts. Of course

Savage

Quote from: Rocketeer on June 13, 2018, 11:50:39 PM
Can't forget one of the least forgivable click-bait headlines, circa 2006:

DARREN ARONOFSKY MAKES SEQUEL TO ZARDOZ

Abomination! *sobbing loudly*

WinWinS

Quote from: TigerLily on June 14, 2018, 12:01:38 AM
That is amazing information on the links to Lyme disease. I have my research project for tomorrow. Please thank Mr. Winnie for me

will do

Bluejay

This is the Hinsdale House.



Quote from: Sumthins Goin On on June 13, 2018, 11:56:06 PM
Now put away your butcher knives and let me save this patient!
Heh, heh, heh.




Quote from: TigerLily on June 14, 2018, 12:09:57 AM
Looks creepy

Nick Groff did an episode of Paranormal Lockdown there and it seemed a bit unsettling.  If I was in the area, I'd check it out.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 14, 2018, 12:03:07 AM
Good thing it is a free country then.
You have your beliefs and I have mine.
I guess the twain shall never meet.
Isn't America wonderful?  ;D ;)

It would be...if it weren't for the others.  ::)

;D


Quote from: TigerLily on June 13, 2018, 11:54:27 PM
Small desert cat. Now being bred with similar breeds to develop the popular Bengals

Ocicat


Bengal


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'Allo!
You folks seem to have missed the least/best of all--the S.Am."Margay"?SP? possibly about the size of an Maine Coon-Kat,but really tropical.
Many years ago in Seattle,one fancier used to walk his Margay(sp?)on university way every night on an collar/leash.
He would stop at Chase's or the "Last Exit"or "Eigervan"and tether it to an post,whilst he had coffee and played chess.
I used to offer it Cat-Nip to see what it did!
"B_B"

Rocketeer

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 14, 2018, 12:03:07 AM
I guess the twain shall never meet.
Isn't America wonderful?  ;D ;)

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 14, 2018, 12:15:00 AM
It would be...if it weren't for the others.  ::)

;D

Sure, I can bury hatchets, too.

Let's just watch good movies.  8)

On Mark Twain: I do wonder, if he could peer into today, whether he'd share in your patriotic praise.

LOL.  Excellent point, Dave.  The crossing over of spirits is a bit ridiculous.  This one guy I've followed tries to do it all the time and I have to laugh.  He has no special powers.  It seems like it would be easier for other spirits like angels to help them cross over.



TigerLily

Quote from: Beelzebubbelah on June 14, 2018, 12:17:22 AM
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'Allo!
You folks seem to have missed the least/best of all--the S.Am."Margay"?SP? possibly about the size of an Maine Coon-Kat,but really tropical.
Many years ago in Seattle,one fancier used to walk his Margay(sp?)on university way every night on an collar/leash.
He would stop at Chase's or the "Last Exit"or "Eigervan"and tether it to an post,whilst he had coffee and played chess.
I used to offer it Cat-Nip to see what it did!
"B_B"



What did it do?


Quote from: Beelzebubbelah on June 14, 2018, 12:17:22 AM
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'Allo!
You folks seem to have missed the least/best of all--the S.Am."Margay"?SP? possibly about the size of an Maine Coon-Kat,but really tropical.
Many years ago in Seattle,one fancier used to walk his Margay(sp?)on university way every night on an collar/leash.
He would stop at Chase's or the "Last Exit"or "Eigervan"and tether it to an post,whilst he had coffee and played chess.
I used to offer it Cat-Nip to see what it did!
"B_B"
Greetings Beelzebubbelah. 

http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=9159.msg1249022#msg1249022     ;)

Good to see you're still with us.   :)

Quote from: Rocketeer on June 14, 2018, 12:17:27 AM
Sure, I can bury hatchets, too.

Let's just watch good movies.  8)

On Mark Twain: I do wonder, if he could peer into today, whether he'd share in your patriotic praise.

I'd be a bit disappointed if I was him but that's another story.
I agree with your sentiments in that post though.
Enjoy the movies. ;D



Rocketeer

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 14, 2018, 12:23:50 AM
I'd be a bit disappointed if I was him but that's another story.
I agree with your sentiments in that post though.
Enjoy the movies. ;D


Jojo

Quote from: TigerLily on June 13, 2018, 11:34:34 PM
European Journal of Pediatrics
December 2005, Volume 164, Issue 12, pp 758â€"767 | Cite as
Homeopathic treatment of children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder: a randomised, double blind, placebo controlled crossover trial

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_scientifically_controlled_double_blind_studies_which_have_conclusively_demonstrated_the_efficacy_of_homeopathy?
List of scientifically controlled double blind studies which have conclusively demonstrated the efficacy of homeopathic
And...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/dysfunction-at-wikipedia-_b_5924226.html

By Dana Ullman

"...Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease: Frass, M, Dielacher, C, Linkesch, M, et al. Influence of potassium dichromate on tracheal secretions in critically ill patients, Chest, March, 2005;127:936-941. The journal, Chest, is the official publication of the American College of Chest Physicians.

Hayfever: Reilly D, Taylor M, McSharry C, et al., Is homoeopathy a placebo response? controlled trial of homoeopathic potency, with pollen in hayfever as model,” Lancet, October 18, 1986, ii: 881-6.

Asthma: Reilly, D, Taylor, M, Beattie, N, et al., “Is Evidence for Homoeopathy Reproducible?” Lancet, December 10, 1994, 344:1601-6.

Fibromyalgia: Bell IR, Lewis II DA, Brooks AJ, et al. Improved clinical status in fibromyalgia patients treated with individualized homeopathic remedies versus placebo, Rheumatology. 2004:1111-5. This journal is the official journal of the British Society of Rheumatology.

Fibromyalgia: Fisher P, Greenwood A, Huskisson EC, et al., “Effect of Homoeopathic Treatment on Fibrositis (Primary Fibromyalgia),” BMJ, 299(August 5, 1989):365-6.

Childhood diarrhea: Jacobs, J, Jimenez, LM, Gloyd, SS, Treatment of Acute Childhood Diarrhea with Homeopathic Medicine: A Randomized Double-blind Controlled Study in Nicaragua, Pediatrics, May, 1994,93,5:719-25.
ADD/ADHD: Frei, H, Everts R, von Ammon K, Kaufmann F, Walther D, Hsu-Schmitz SF, Collenberg M, Fuhrer K, Hassink R, Steinlin M,

Thurneysen A. Homeopathic treatment of children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder: a randomised, double blind, placebo controlled crossover trial. Eur J Pediatr., July 27,2005,164:758-767.

...can you name ONE other system of “pseudoscience” that has a similar body of randomized, double-blind, and placebo-controlled clinical trials published in high-impact medical journals showing efficacy of treatment?


This more comprehensive Swiss government-funded report found a particularly strong body of evidence to support the homeopathic treatment of Upper Respiratory Tract Infections and Respiratory Allergies. The report cited 29 studies in “Upper Respiratory Tract Infections/AllergicReactions,” with 24 studies having a positive result in favor of homeopathy. Six out of seven controlled studies that compared homeopathic treatment with conventional medical treatment showed homeopathy to be more effective than conventional medical interventions. When the researchers evaluated only the randomized placebo controlled trials, 12 out of 16 studies showed a positive result in favor of homeopathy.

...Kleijnen J, Knipschild P ter Riet G. Clinical trials of homoeopathy. BMJ 1991, 302, 316-23. Of the 22 best studies, 15 showed positive results from homeopathic treatment. The researchers concluded, “there is a legitimate case for further evaluation of homeopathy.”
Jacobs J, Jonas WB, Jimenez-Perez M, Crothers D, Homeopathy for Childhood Diarrhea: Combined Results and Metaanalysis from Three Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trials, Pediatr Infect Dis J, 2003;22:229-34. This metaanalysis of 242 children showed a highly significant result in the duration of childhood diarrhea (P=0.008).

Kassab S, Cummings M, Berkovitz S, van Haselen R, Fisher P. Homeopathic medicines for adverse effects of cancer treatments. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2009, Issue 2.

Taylor, MA, Reilly, D, Llewellyn-Jones, RH, et al., Randomised controlled trial of homoeopathy versus placebo in perennial allergic rhinitis with overview of four trial Series, BMJ, August 19, 2000, 321:471-476. The BMJ published an editorial in the issue in which this study was published asserting, “It may be time to confront the conclusion that homeopathy and placebo differ...... This may be more plausible than the conclusion that their trials have produced serial false positive results” (This week in the BMJ. Homoeopathic dilutions may be better than placebo. BMJ 2000;321:0).

Jonas, WB, Linde, Klaus, and Ramirez, Gilbert, “Homeopathy and Rheumatic Disease,” Rheumatic Disease Clinics of North America, February 2000,1:117-123.
Is Homeopathy Really “Implausible”?


...The journal, Langmuir, is the journal of the American Chemical Society, and in 2012, they published an important article that provided a plausible explanation for the actions of homeopathic medicines. First, they verified using three different types of spectroscopy that clearly showed that nanoparticles of six original medicinal agents persisted in solutions even after they were diluted 1:100 six times, thirty times, and even two-hundred times.
Avogadro’s number predicts that none of the original medicinal agents would have ANY persisting molecules of the original medicinal substance would remain after 12 dilutions of 1:100. However, the scientists describe reasonable and even predictable factors that lead to the persistence of nanoparticles after their multiple dilutions. The scientists note that the use of double-distilled water in glass vials leads to varying amounts of silica fragments that fall into the water, as much as 6ppm. The vigorous shaking of the glass vial creates bubbles and “nanobubbles” that bring oxygen into the water and that increase substantially the water pressure (William Tiller, PhD, the former head of Stanford’s Department of Material Science, estimated this pressure to be 10,000 atmospheres).
Ultimately, this increased water pressure forces whatever medicinal substance is in the double-distilled water into the silica, and every substance will interact with the silica in its own idiosyncratic way. Then, when 90% of the water is dumped out, the silica fragments predictably cling to the glass walls.

When skeptics of homeopathy reference Avogadro’s number as “evidence” that homeopathic medicines beyond 24X or 12C have “no remaining molecules left,” they are simply verifying their own ignorance of Avogadro’s number because this widely recognized principle in chemistry does NOT account for the complexities of the silica fragments, the bubbles or nanobubbles, nor the increased water pressure. In fact, any serious scientist or educated individual who asserts that a homeopathic medicine is “beyond Avogadro’s number” has no ground on which they stand.

...What is shocking about Wikipedia’s article of homeopathy is that there is NO reference to this Nobel Prize winner or to his interview in one of the most respected scientific journals in the world today or any reference to French government... I was blocked from editing any article to do with homeopathy because I was deemed to have a “conflict of interest” due to the fact that I am a homeopath. Ironically, no medical doctor is prohibited from editing on any medical subject just because she or he is a medical doctor!

... [A letter was]also signed by:
Michael Frass, MD, Professor of Medicine, Medical University of Vienna (Austria)

Paolo Bellavite, MD, Professor, Università of Verona (Italy), Department of Pathology and Diagnostics

Paolo Roberti di Sarsina, MD, Observatory and Methods for Health, University of Milano-Bicocca, Italy; Charity for Person Centered Medicine-Moral Entity, Bologna, Italy; Expert for Non-Conventional Medicine (2006-2013), High Council for Health, Ministry of Health, Italy

Dr Clare Relton, Senior Research Fellow (Public Health), School of Health & Related Research, University of Sheffield (UK)
Stephan Baumgartner, PhD, Institute of Complementary Medicine, University of Bern, Switzerland; Institute of Integrative Medicine, University of Witten-Herdecke, Germany

Lex Rutten MD, homeopathic physician, independent researcher.

References:

Max Ehrenfreund, The Science of Wikipedia Flamewars, Washington Post. July 23, 2013. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/23/the-science-of-wikipedia-flamewars/

Shang A, Huwiler-Müntener K, Nartey L, et al. (2005). “Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy”. Lancet 366 (9487): 726-32. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(05)67177-2 . PMID 16125589 . http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16125589

Ludtke R, Rutten ALB. The conclusions on the effectiveness of homeopathy highly depend on the set of analysed trials. Journal of Clinical Epidemiology. October 2008. doi: 10.1016/j.jclinepi.2008.06/015. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18834714

Dana Ullman. The Disinformation Campaign Against Homeopathy. HuffingtonPost. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/disinformation-about-homeopathy_b_952967.html

Zoe Mullan, senior editor at The Lancet, acknowledged in the publication’s press release for this article, “Professor Egger stated at the onset that he expected to find that homeopathy had no effect other than that of placebo. His ‘conflict’ was therefore transparent. We saw this as sufficient” EHM News Bureau, 2005). The editors chose not to inform readers of this bias.

Bornhöft G, Wolf U, von Ammon K, Righetti M, Maxion-Bergemann S, Baumgartner S, Thurneysen AE, Matthiessen PF. Effectiveness, safety and cost-effectiveness of homeopathy in general practice - summarized health technology assessment. Forschende Komplementärmedizin (2006);13 Suppl 2:19-29. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16883077

Chikramane PS, Kalita D, Suresh AK, Kane SG, Bellare JR. Why Extreme Dilutions Reach Non-zero Asymptotes: A Nanoparticulate Hypothesis Based on Froth Flotation. Langmuir. 2012 Nov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23083226

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starrmtn001

Gettin' ready to hit the hay.  Goodnight everyone, good seeing Y'all again. :-*
Enjoy the rest of the show.

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