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Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM



Quote from: starrmtn001 on April 23, 2016, 03:30:09 PM
;D ;D ;D

Awesome find 21st!  Good on ya, man good on ya! ;)

LOL!!  Star thanks. :D  Gotta keep a sense of humor through all this bickering.



Value Of Pi

People here are arguing Trump versus Cruz going into Cleveland but there's another party in this race. The Republican Party, from the local level right up to the RNC. They and their more traditional supporters and voters, who don't like Trump or Cruz, have broader and more long-term interests at stake than this one presidential election. That is, keeping the party intact and able to keep Republicans in power at all levels of government. Also, keeping the basic tenets of the Republican platform intact for the foreseeable future.

They would unhappily but willingly sacrifice Republican chances to win this election if it meant preserving what they value. And, if Trump is nominated, I think that is just what they will do. Senate and House candidates, with few exceptions, will separate themselves and try to insulate themselves from the presidential ticket. Meanwhile, conservatives will promote their own third-party candidate for president. These factors, in addition to all the inherent negatives Trump would carry as the Republican nominee, would hand the election to the Democrats.

Trump would then fade into the background while the Republican Party buys itself two to four years to reorganize and recover from 2016. For the Republican Party, this outcome is the lesser of two evils, which is why they'll go for it, assuming the efforts to stop Trump in Cleveland fail. It would mean a short-term loss but, possibly, a long-term win if the party was able to sort out its problems.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 23, 2016, 02:45:39 PM

That is what I keep telling the folks here but they will not listen.  It is either their way or the highway. Trump Derangement Syndrome is what I call it.
So if there's a 2nd ballot, something like 700 of the 1200+ delegates for Trump are going switch to the most reviled man in the GOP who was virtually chased out of the populated states (y'know, the states that that actually have electoral votes) while he holds onto ALL of his first ballot delegates?  You bet.  So obvious...why couldn't I see that?  Its all clear now.  Derangement for sure.

Quote from: VtaGeezer on April 23, 2016, 06:51:17 PM
So if there's a 2nd ballot, something like 700 of the 1200+ delegates for Trump are going switch to the most reviled man in the GOP who was virtually chased out of the populated states (y'know, the states that that actually have electoral votes) while he holds onto ALL of his first ballot delegates?  You bet.  So obvious...why couldn't I see that?  Its all clear now.  Derangement for sure.

Reviled? Speak for yourself.  Cruz is the only GOP Senator to stand up against the Establishment and call out Mitch McConnell.  A lot of people admire him for that.  And yes I mean exactly what you said.  More than half the delegates Trump has now are not Trump supporters.  They have to vote for him on the first ballot but they will abandon him if he doesn't get to 1237.

Jackstar

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 23, 2016, 09:14:50 PM
Cruz is the only GOP Senator to stand up against the Establishment and call out Mitch McConnell.




You are bad at awareness.


This article serves as an example to my previous statements that if Trump doesn't win on the first ballot then he is toast.  It is not wishful thinking or Trump bashing but simply a fact.   Trump has to do well in the May primaries so he can win on the first ballot.

Ted Cruz notched another delegate landslide Saturday, stretching his advantage in a competition that might never occur: the second ballot of a contested Republican National Convention in July.
Cruz won at least 65 of the 94 delegates up for grabs Saturday (he may have won more than 65, but Kentucky’s 25 delegates haven’t revealed their leanings). The Texas senator has so thoroughly dominated the fight to send loyalists to the national convention that if front-runner Donald Trump fails to clinch the nomination on the first ballot, Cruz is well-positioned to surpass him â€" and perhaps even snag the nomination for himself â€" when delegates are free in subsequent convention rounds to vote for whomever they want.
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On Saturday, he nearly won 19 of 20 seats available in Maine, losing just one to a Trump backer: Gov. Paul LePage. He also won all nine delegates on the ballot in three Minnesota congressional districts, picking up support in the lone state won by Marco Rubio. Cruz also grabbed one of three delegates in South Carolina’s 6th Congressional District, while the other two went to an uncommitted delegate and a supporter of Ohio Gov. John Kasich.
Cruz’s biggest windfall, though, came from Utah, where at least 36 of 37 national delegates will be aligned with Cruz, who crushed Trump in the state’s caucuses on March 22. Included in the Utah delegation: Sen. Mike Lee, Gov. Gary Herbert and Reps. Mike Bishop and Mia Love. Only Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes, the 37th delegate, is a wild card â€" he hasn’t revealed who he supports.
But Cruz’s dominance may be for nothing. Trump’s dominant victory in New York last week, along with expected victories across the Northeast on Tuesday, put him on the cusp of earning the nomination without any convention drama in Cleveland. On the first ballot, most delegates are required to vote according to the results of state primaries and caucuses, and that’s where Trump has a wide edge â€" 845 to Cruz’s 559.
If Trump can dominate the remaining 15 primaries and acquire mandatory support from 1,237 delegates, he’ll secure the nomination automatically. And polls show he has an edge in Indiana’s crucial May 3 primary......


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/ted-cruz-donald-trump-delegate-222354#ixzz46moYHlA0


littlechris

Quote from: Designx on April 24, 2016, 09:00:30 PM
The last gasp - ceding states to each other to stop Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/politics/ted-cruz-john-kasich-join-forces-to-stop-donald-trump/index.html

FUCKING AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The republican party is destroying itself!

Quote from: littlechris on April 24, 2016, 09:02:22 PM
FUCKING AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The republican party is destroying itself!

No. Actually they`re trying to destroy Trump. Yuuuge difference.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: FightTheFuture on April 24, 2016, 10:08:47 PM
No. Actually they`re trying to destroy Trump. Yuuuge difference.

The Republican Party is dead.  None of their candidates have a chance.  Their supporters are in denial.

Even the Koch brothers, who've thrown money at the GOP in the past, are disgusted by the lack of a viable Republican candidate to back in this election...

Koch: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and John Kasich “are terrible role models.”

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/election/article73648027.html


Koch, his brother David and their associated groups plan to spend nearly $900 million on the 2016 elections.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-republican-white-house-222349


So here are the Kochs and their rich friends with nine hundred million dollars burning a hole in their pocket, and none of the candidates are worthy!  Like closing time at the bar, even Hillary is starting to look good to them.  Meanwhile, Cruz and Trump are so blinded by their own egos, they've lost all touch with reality.  Both of them are seemingly unconcerned they don't have the backing of their own party, with the election a mere six months away!  Haha!  Unbelievable! 




Yorkshire pud

If anyone still thinks Trump is the Pied Piper and a Messiah rolled into one. Take a look at the practical logistics and the catastrophic results of deporting 11 million people. Ask Trump how it would be done. Easy for him to answer.

Viewpoint: How would Trump remove 11 million people from the US? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36114246

It would appear that Drumpf stole his ideas of building the wall from, one, Ted Cruz. You want strict border control and immigration reform? You don`t want Drumpf. Drumpf was funding open-border-pro-amnesty Democrats in 2011 while Ted Cruz was STRONGLY advocating strict control of our borders and illegal immigration through a variety of legal means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0h3Mu8BbjM

VtaGeezer

Trump has been declared the winner in all five of todays, and it looks like he may be over 60% in them.  Looks like he's picking up 100 delegates tonight.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 25, 2016, 08:49:58 AM
If anyone still thinks Trump is the Pied Piper and a Messiah rolled into one. Take a look at the practical logistics and the catastrophic results of deporting 11 million people. Ask Trump how it would be done. Easy for him to answer.

Viewpoint: How would Trump remove 11 million people from the US? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36114246
Your links never seem to work.  >:( The first thing, like an injury which the illegal (and some legal) immigration is, is to staunch the flow. That is securing the border. Then move onto operating on the patient. In this case it would be fairly easy. Heavy civil and criminal fines for any organization that hires, helps, harbors, transports, leases to, educates, feeds, or provides healthcare to an illegal. Then they will self-deport (in the past they frequently "self-deported," especially our Mexican friends.) In fact it was almost humorous to see how during holiday like Easter all the trabajeros disappeared to return a few weeks later. Free trip home from La Migra for the holidays. Now, due to the instability and corruption in Mexico they bring their families with them and so we also bear the costs of their brood in our schools, hospitals, etc in addition to the crime from whatever criminal illegals and gang-members cross over the open border. Then long-term care, call it hospice because the country's fate was sealed in 1965, which is to come up with a guest-worker and VISA system that is secure and when needed for talent or jobs that "Americans won't do."
ps: Enoch was right (and so is Trump on this subject, assuming he believes in what he says and is not some Billary plant.)

WOTR

Quote from: VtaGeezer on April 26, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
Trump has been declared the winner in all five of todays, and it looks like he may be over 60% in them.  Looks like he's picking up 100 delegates tonight.
Rather than Cleveland, they ought to just hold the vote at the Sistine chapel. They will have the right chemicals on hand to produce both black and white smoke to relay their decisions to us commoners.  a much better system than the one presently in place... ;)



11angeleyes11

Donald Trump is taking control and making this campaign his own.  He has even planned is inauguration.  Leaks have been reported on CNN that he is planning on rewriting history and inviting Obama to the inauguration and allowing him to participate.

The sacred Oath of Office will be read to Trump and Obama will stand at his side to pass the torch.  Trump will turn to Obama stating, "You were my apprentice, and you are FIRED!"

WOTR

Quote from: 11angeleyes11 on April 26, 2016, 11:41:52 PM
The sacred Oath of Office will be read to Trump and Obama will stand at his side to pass the torch.  Trump will turn to Obama stating, "You were my apprentice, and you are FIRED!"
Why not combine reality shows, have them live in the White house together for a month and at the end, Katlin Jenner can snuff out Obama's torch while Trump "fires" him; thus sending him on an amazing race around the world to collect speakers fees and honourariums?

Little Hater

Quote from: albrecht on April 26, 2016, 06:53:29 PM
Your links never seem to work.

Just as well in this case. Seems Keith Olbermann ran out of morons to preach to here in his time at MSNBC and has started writing for those in the UK.

Thing that amuses me is the insistence by the Left that deporting eleven million criminals (most to the same country of origin) is insanity, impossible, can't be done, crazy to even talk about it, but taking three hundred million guns from those who don't want to give them up? Piece of cake.

TigerLily

Cruz has named his running mate. After losing every state last night.  Ridiculous and unbelievably arrogant. The GOP is not even trying to pretend that the voters have any say in the "election" process.
I'm still hanging with Bernie. But this is disgusting.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: TigerLily on April 27, 2016, 12:34:00 PM
Cruz has named his running mate. After losing every state last night.  Ridiculous and unbelievably arrogant. The GOP is not even trying to pretend that the voters have any say in the "election" process.
I'm still hanging with Bernie. But this is disgusting.

it's embarrassing.

albrecht

His foreign policy speech at the Mayflower Hotel was pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8RqLN3Qao
Some caller on C2C said that Trump should pay-for, or publicize the charity, to save the SS United States, and then he could say "Trump Saves the US" even before he is elected and get even more media coverage. It also would be literally, "Making America Great Again" and show people what our ships used to look like when America was king. It actually would be neat marketing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVq5Lx7aqU

Quote from: TigerLily on April 27, 2016, 12:34:00 PM
Cruz has named his running mate. After losing every state last night.  Ridiculous and unbelievably arrogant. The GOP is not even trying to pretend that the voters have any say in the "election" process.
I'm still hanging with Bernie. But this is disgusting.

No, Cruz is just trying to shift the momentum.  He still has a chance, small as it may be, to get more delegates than Trump.  If he can't do that, he can still prevent Trump from getting to 1237.   I knew Trump was going to crush Cruz in April because the northeast is where Trump is strongest.  From here on out, he is going to have to fight hard and he really should elevate his rhetoric.  If he keeps on talking about Lyin' Ted then you know Trump is still worried.

Value Of Pi

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 25, 2016, 08:49:58 AM
If anyone still thinks Trump is the Pied Piper and a Messiah rolled into one. Take a look at the practical logistics and the catastrophic results of deporting 11 million people. Ask Trump how it would be done. Easy for him to answer.

Viewpoint: How would Trump remove 11 million people from the US? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36114246

This was a very good article. I wonder, if Trump gets the nomination, whether and when any journalist will actually call Trump out on all the problems involved with his policy on illegal immigrants. It would take someone tough, like Stephen Sackur from HardTalk, to pin him down.

The problem is that there are too many voters these days who wouldn't care if Trump's policy fell apart under real questioning and was exposed as a scam to get their votes. They would choose to ignore the evidence and support him anyway.

Fortunately, there are still plenty of people not taken in by Trump's svengali effect for whom an interview like this would be significant. It would motivate them to get out and vote against him in November. It's just sad to see a charlatan get so far, whatever the reasons.

TigerLily

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 27, 2016, 02:59:41 PM
No, Cruz is just trying to shift the momentum.  He still has a chance, small as it may be, to get more delegates than Trump.  If he can't do that, he can still prevent Trump from getting to 1237.   I knew Trump was going to crush Cruz in April because the northeast is where Trump is strongest.  From here on out, he is going to have to fight hard and he really should elevate his rhetoric.  If he keeps on talking about Lyin' Ted then you know Trump is still worried.
No one can deny this has been a crazy interesting political year so far.  And we still have 7 months to go

ItsOver

Quote from: TigerLily on April 27, 2016, 12:34:00 PM
Cruz has named his running mate. After losing every state last night.  Ridiculous and unbelievably arrogant. The GOP is not even trying to pretend that the voters have any say in the "election" process.
I'm still hanging with Bernie. But this is disgusting.
Fiorina?  Gag.  No charisma guy picks even more no charisma. 

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