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Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 13, 2018, 11:46:29 AM
I really can't comment on your Socialist utopia, other than suggest they dump socialism.

Thatcher was many things, but socialist wasn't one of them..Try again.


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As far as the dotcom bubble burst, to a certain extent it was a normal part of the boom and bust cycle.  Exacerbated as usual by government, in this case the Fed.  The economy got overheated due to excess money in the system, and excess greed during a period when nearly everyone was making a lot of money. 

Tiny startup companies got investor money even though their ideas were bad.  People chose to work for them.  Investors bought their stocks when they had their IPOs.  Other companies sold them goods on credit.  Bill Clinton's Fed allowed too much money to be created.  And that was the result.


Can you at least step back and see the larger picture, say the 25 years from 1982 to 2007?  That didn't work for you?

Not particularly. Sure I learned my trade and was/am good at it. But the rich/poor divide is as large as it ever was, since the 80s.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 13, 2018, 11:37:39 AM

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Dated 2012

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/Documents/20120502_EconomicGrowth.pdf

2016

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/current-us-economic-recovery-may-end-up-as-longest-ever-2016-07-18

Like I said, a rebound is expected after a dip.  It's how an economy works.  Regardless of who the president is.

After a disaster like that, after a period of consolidation, a strong, long term recovery is the expectation.  Regardless of who the president is.

The Obama ''recovery'' drastically underperformed.  That the Fake News Media lauds him because there was a recovery at all, no matter how anemic, isn't a surprise.  Had a Republican been in office, and the recovery been that lousy, they would have roasted him.

Obama set a record as the first president in modern times to never have even one year of growth over 3%.  The ecomony should have bounced back much much stronger.

But I get it.  Obama good.  Trump baaaaad

And nowhere in there did you point out a single thing he did to improve the economy, which is what my question was

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 13, 2018, 11:51:25 AM
Thatcher was many things, but socialist wasn't one of them..Try again...

No, she wasn't, but your system was and is. 

She inherited a Socialist system that was off the rails and heading over a cliff.  She saved your sorry asses.

albrecht

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 13, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
And nowhere in there did you point out a single thing he did to improve the economy, which is what my question was
Retail gun and ammo sales were big, as were stocks of those companies. Some things like safes also did booming business under Barak or whatever name he was using that decade.

PaulAtreides

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 13, 2018, 10:03:07 AM
As issued by the Whitehouse...How do we know? Because its unlikely the doctor qualified if he couldn't even spell his own name....The Trump circus can't even falsify statements convincingly.



If Trump had written the report it no doubt would have included a paragaph, "......excellent health except for minor difficulity with urination due to a ginormus dick."

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 13, 2018, 11:51:25 AM
... But the rich/poor divide is as large as it ever was, since the 80s.

I would council ''the poor'' to go to school and stay there; obtain job skills - either on the job or taking classes; and get up, go to work every day, and do the best job they can.  I guarantee they won't be poor long.  If they won't do that, they can piss off.

And no, I'm not talking about those who have disabilities to the point the above is not feasible.  But they are a very low percentage.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 13, 2018, 11:51:25 AM

Not particularly. Sure I learned my trade and was/am good at it. But the rich/poor divide is as large as it ever was, since the 80s.

I hear that a lot but not really sure what it means. 

I remember when being poor meant you did not have basic essentials. You went to bed hungry. You didn’t have air conditioning, flat screen TV, multiple smart phones and cable TV. You worked multiple jobs and picked up soda bottles to get the deposit.

I am glad we have the safety net that we have today, but if we did not have 30 million illegal aliens maybe we wouldn’t have so many people living below the poverty line.

Jackstar

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 13, 2018, 12:03:05 PM
I would council ''the poor'' to go to school and stay there; obtain job skills [...] If they won't do that, they can piss off break bad and flood their communites with speed and opioids.

Your fucking plan is fucking brilliant! Why the fuck did we not fucking think of that before? Fucking A, you're a fucking genius!

Also: keep feeding that fucking troll, I dare you.

pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 13, 2018, 10:32:03 AM
Well Trump hasn't ever remotely criticised Putin for the previous and ongoing cyber attacks on not just US, but other Western allies' electoral and infrastructure systems, although all US security agencies and agencies from the UK, Holland, France, Germany and Italy have brought it to his attention. Or are they all making it up?  ::)

O Crimea river...




TigerLily

Quote from: GravitySucks on January 13, 2018, 12:13:18 PM
I hear that a lot but not really sure what it means. 

I remember when being poor meant you did not have basic essentials. You went to bed hungry. You didn’t have air conditioning, flat screen TV, multiple smart phones and cable TV. You worked multiple jobs and picked up soda bottles to get the deposit.

I am glad we have the safety net that we have today, but if we did not have 30 million illegal aliens maybe we wouldn’t have so many people living below the poverty line.

I assume Pud is referring to current wealth distribution. Drat. I just missed the 1%. Stupid Orange County  >:(


TigerLily

Quote from: GravitySucks on January 13, 2018, 12:13:18 PM
I hear that a lot but not really sure what it means. 

I remember when being poor meant you did not have basic essentials. You went to bed hungry. You didn’t have air conditioning, flat screen TV, multiple smart phones and cable TV. You worked multiple jobs and picked up soda bottles to get the deposit.

I am glad we have the safety net that we have today, but if we did not have 30 million illegal aliens maybe we wouldn’t have so many people living below the poverty line.

More likely caused by the super-rich hogging all the money. The illegal immigrants - 11.6 million* not 30 million - have not caused the shrinking middle class

*The number of undocumented immigrants living in the United States stayed steady for an eighth straight year in 2016 with 11.3 million people, according to a report published Tuesday. - USA Today

GravitySucks

Quote from: TigerLily on January 13, 2018, 04:52:37 PM
More likely caused by the super-rich hogging all the money. The illegal immigrants - 11.6 million* not 30 million - have not caused the shrinking middle class

*The number of undocumented immigrants living in the United States stayed steady for an eighth straight year in 2016 with 11.3 million people, according to a report published Tuesday. - USA Today

The number the government provides stayed constant for the eight straight year.

Are illegal immigrants dying at the same rate they are crossing the border for the last 8 years?

Me thinks not.

The number is closer to 30 million than it is 11 million.

You really think illegal aliens aren’t doing jobs that used to be done by teenagers and second jobs for people trying to break into or maintain their status as the middle class?

albrecht

Quote from: Conspiracy Therapist on January 13, 2018, 02:44:08 PM
https://youtu.be/Rksd80-FCAw
My favorite line was by Rep Thomas R-California introducing his question about the 86 Tax changes that he has been fighting  "...three really pernicious provisions along with all the other onerous ones...." Haha.

Gd5150

CNN on the shithole bandwagon. Good thing they don’t use Google Adsensorship for revenues. Never mind the “shithole story” has been denied by people in the room.

Let’s hope he really said it though.

https://youtu.be/fW7k6A8G7UE

Quote from: Jackstar on January 13, 2018, 12:21:43 PM
Your fucking plan is fucking brilliant! Why the fuck did we not fucking think of that before? Fucking A, you're a fucking genius!

Also: keep feeding that fucking troll, I dare you.

Not only is it brilliant, it works.  It's what most people do.  It's what most people tell their kids to do.  Even most Libs

Unfortunately the Left will always be with us.  They encourage poverty by telling poor black kids everyone hates them and they have no chance in life.  By telling immigrants to hold to their customs and language and not assimulate.  By luring the lazy with handout programs that will entrap them and keep them impoverished.  By luring poor immigrants across our southern border to do our low level jobs, and teaching them to be resentful instead of how to advance once they get here.  By running our big cities - and everything else they control - into the ground.

The Ds have no interest in helping the poor escape poverty, or help the middle class advance.  Which showed very clearly in the recent election.  The Ds are very aware of this - it's one of their top strategies to seize and keep power.  Now that it's been exposed, at least for the middle class, they still won't address it and change their agenda.  If their inner city supporters ever figure it out, they're toast.

People doing well don't need the Libs and the Left.  They don't need the Democrat Party.  And the Ds know it.  It's why they act the way they do, why they make the outrageous comments they make. 

albrecht

Quote from: Gd5150 on January 13, 2018, 05:19:30 PM
CNN on the shithole bandwagon. Good thing they don’t use Google Adsensorship for revenues. Never mind the “shithole story” has been denied by people in the room.

Let’s hope he really said it though.

https://youtu.be/fW7k6A8G7UE
I hope he said it because it is true and forces the Democrats and Left to admit they want the USA to become a "shithole" and/or Congress can stop sending overseas aid because those countries don't need it and we can stop taking in "refugees" and immigrants from those countries since they aren't "shitholes" and so their people have no reason to flee. It also would raise questions over the Clinton Foundations. If Haiti was not a "shithole" then what exactly was going on there?

But I hope everybody has already filed an FCC complaints on indecency in the Clinton media like CNN, NPR, and etc. Just to try to get them a fine or cut off some government funding.
https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us

Though I'm guessing the bureaucrats at the FCC are pretty busy with complaints over the Hawaii incoming nuke emergency message mistake:
https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us/articles/115000914506-Emergency-Complaints

TigerLily

Quote from: GravitySucks on January 13, 2018, 05:02:58 PM
The number the government provides stayed constant for the eight straight year.

Are illegal immigrants dying at the same rate they are crossing the border for the last 8 years?

Me thinks not.

The number is closer to 30 million than it is 11 million.

You really think illegal aliens aren’t doing jobs that used to be done by teenagers and second jobs for people trying to break into or maintain their status as the middle class?

Illegals from Mexico has always been somewhat of a revolving door. I'm not referring to catch and release. So many are seasonal workers; make extra money during harvest, construction then go home to their families.  Due to NAFTA many were able to go home and get decent (by their standards) jobs

Ever try to get teenagers to clean toilets? Dig holes? Pick lettuce?

"On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots. " WaPo 2015

"California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
FEB. 9, 2017"

"The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires
To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.

The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgia’s immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year.  As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the bill’s authors, said at the time, “Our goal is … to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.”

Now he and others are learning: Be careful what you wish for, because you may get more than you bargained for." Forbes 2012




GravitySucks

Quote from: TigerLily on January 13, 2018, 04:52:37 PM
More likely caused by the super-rich hogging all the money. The illegal immigrants - 11.6 million* not 30 million - have not caused the shrinking middle class

*The number of undocumented immigrants living in the United States stayed steady for an eighth straight year in 2016 with 11.3 million people, according to a report published Tuesday. - USA Today

Here is a good reason to doubt those stable numbers. The first year that the DHS was aboe to track the number of people that overstayed their visas was 2016. The number they came up with was 629,000.

Yet the number of illegal aliens remained the same. Do you see the disconnect with the Pew numbers which rely on census data and someone actually being honest when questioned? Those numberswill never be correct.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/us/homeland-security-foreigners-overstayed-visas.html

TigerLily

Quote from: Gd5150 on January 13, 2018, 05:19:30 PM
CNN on the shithole bandwagon. Good thing they don’t use Google Adsensorship for revenues. Never mind the “shithole story” has been denied by people in the room.

Let’s hope he really said it though.

https://youtu.be/fW7k6A8G7UE

Don't worry. He did. No one denied it, most confirmed and two "couldn't recall". You must be so proud

albrecht

Quote from: TigerLily on January 13, 2018, 05:55:50 PM
Illegals from Mexico has always been somewhat of a revolving door. I'm not referring to catch and release. So many are seasonal workers; make extra money during harvest, construction then go home to their families.  Due to NAFTA many were able to go home and get decent (by their standards) jobs

Ever try to get teenagers to clean toilets? Dig holes? Pick lettuce?

"On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots. "

"California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
FEB. 9, 2017"

The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires
To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.

The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgia’s immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year.  As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the bill’s authors, said at the time, “Our goal is … to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.”

Now he and others are learning: Be careful what you wish for, because you may get more than you bargained for. Forbes 2012
Here the trabajeros used to go home for holidays and remit lots of money back home and it was usually men that came over to to work in construction, ranches, farms, etc. Lots of small Mexican towns were supported by the remitted funds. And it was almost a joke that sometimes they would "self deport" for Christmas and Easter using the government as a transportation plan. Since the consulate and in Mexico will give a "matricula" ID to just about anybody there wasn't much risk for them being Id'd, if caught returning.. But the violence and instability in Mexico due to cartels and politicians/military (and US's demand for drugs)  in recent decade have made them not go home and bring their wives and brood with them. Who aren't working, often, but use public schools, hospitals, etc. And drop anchor babies. And, of course, use "abagados" in lawsuits to get a lottery judgment. Now they say and don't return home or send funds back as much, and this honest labor and financial drain helps places like Mexico spiral down further.

I understand why employers want cheap labor but don't understand why the Democrats support near slave-wage conditions, sex trafficking, the violence against women and children, etc that the open-border and illegal alien migration entails.

TigerLily

Quote from: GravitySucks on January 13, 2018, 05:57:43 PM
Here is a good reason to doubt those stable numbers. The first year that the DHS was aboe to track the number of people that overstayed their visas was 2016. The number they came up with was 629,000.

Yet the number of illegal aliens remained the same. Do you see the disconnect with the Pew numbers which rely on census data and someone actually being honest when questioned? Those numberswill never be correct.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/us/homeland-security-foreigners-overstayed-visas.html

So you're guessing

GravitySucks

Quote from: TigerLily on January 13, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
So you're guessing

The Mexican ambassador said there were 30 million illegals just from Mexico. Was he guessing? 

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 13, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
So you're guessing

Woman, this is no time for yakity yak! Where are my damn empanadas?!! >:(

Mmm...that sexism felt pretty good. :P

albrecht

Quote from: GravitySucks on January 13, 2018, 06:11:26 PM
The Mexican ambassador said there were 30 million illegals just from Mexico. Was he guessing?
And all the OTMs , which often are more troubling in terms of crime and terrorist risk. The whole problem is interesting. The supporters of illegals demand accurate numbers but the whole problem of being an illegal is that nobody knows how many. So you have to guess based on those caught, anonymous reports, and so on.

GravitySucks

Quote from: albrecht on January 13, 2018, 06:16:07 PM
And all the OTMs , which often are more troubling in terms of crime and terrorist risk. The whole problem is interesting. The supporters of illegals demand accurate numbers but the whole problem of being an illegal is that nobody knows how many. So you have to guess based on those caught, anonymous reports, and so on.

Your mine field idea is more intriguing every day.

Gd5150


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