President Donald J. Trump

[albrecht]

I think it was making the inmates wear pink underwear that really pissed off the liberals like pud.

I thought pink was an "in" color for leftists (it is sorta close to Red, so like the Frankfurt or Fabian types, I guess?)  I saw lots of "hats" worn during some women protest (which left LOTS of trash around The Mall,) and the various LBGQQI community?

[crescent fresh]

Justin Bieber, Donald Trump and Joe Arpaio are racist NAZIS! 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hih_S7VsZDs

[Kidnostad3]

Gorka "quitting"  , not good (it might mean the pro-Sunni and pro-Muslim contingent is winning and certainly means the pro-war, any war is.)
Former Sheriff Arpaio pardon, good. (Not enough though on immigration, he needs to kick out most DREAMERS (or in some cases after a hearing or jury allow to stay but demand a payment or years of in-kind government service) and other criminals and get Congress to pass new immigration reforms that are pro-USA as first priority. Say, at minimum, a pre-65 policy, and income, skills, wealth, and maintaining demographics are first things looked at. Not prioritize the criminal, poor, diseased, terrorist, young, gay, elderly, Muslim, etc as first priorities.

I'm really sorry to see Gorka go.  He's an intellectual heavy weight and a black belt in rhetorical ju jitsu. 

[Kidnostad3]

That own their own liquor store.

You left out the nymphomaniac part.

[Dr. MD MD]

I'm really sorry to see Gorka go.  He's an intellectual heavy weight and a black belt in rhetorical ju jitsu.

Still don't believe he's being deep sixed by the deep state? 

[Gd5150]

Sheriff Arpaio was officially pardoned. Justice served.

[albrecht]

I'm really sorry to see Gorka go.  He's an intellectual heavy weight and a black belt in rhetorical ju jitsu.

Yep, he claims "he can help from the outside" but call a spade a spade. Not good.

[Gd5150]

I'm really sorry to see Gorka go.  He's an intellectual heavy weight and a black belt in rhetorical ju jitsu.

Ageed he was a great representative of the administration. A real flame thrower.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uU0rAVSj-Q

[albrecht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uU0rAVSj-Q

Shouldn't Styx at this point have the flag upside down? Gorka going is "not good." I always liked the SPQR flag? What happened to that?

[Kidnostad3]

Still don't believe he's being deep sixed by the deep state? 

I don't think the "Deep State" is  behind every personnel change in the WH.   Gorka was all for increasing troop strength in Afghanistan  (I read his book.)  Why would the deep state want him out if that same deep state, as you say, wants to perpetuate war?   Gorka is definitely a hawk and was not on the same page with Bannon at all.  It just doesn't add up in his case. 

[albrecht]

I don't think the "Deep State" is  behind every personnel change in the WH.   Gorka was all for increasing troop strength in Afghanistan  (I read his book.)  Why would the deep state want him out if that same deep state, as you say, wants to perpetuate war?   Gorka is definitely a hawk and was not on the same page with Gannon at all.  It just doesn't add up in his case.

Posit this: someone who recognizes the danger of Islam in general and might say war against it in certain places or against certain strains/groups is needed but do it, win it, and come home (and deal with borders and Fifth Column already here by bad immigration policy.) Versus those who think Islam is ok in general but a useful thing in certain groups/strains and let's play them against each other, use the very real threat- but hype it more- to curb certain 'freedoms' here at home, play some games with energy price speculation, and considering the "real threat" is Russia and so a constant war policy is good for the country (and various companies and for other countries for whom we fight certain battles- as long as they buy our stuff.) Just randomly speculating here....

[Dr. MD MD]

I don't think the "Deep State" is  behind every personnel change in the WH.   Gorka was all for increasing troop strength in Afghanistan  (I read his book.)  Why would the deep state want him out if that same deep state, as you say, wants to perpetuate war?   Gorka is definitely a hawk and was not on the same page with Bannon at all.  It just doesn't add up in his case.

You may be right. Have a listen to Styx. He seems to think this is more of a long term strategy. He always has an interesting take on things. 

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I have a really unfair basis. I can't stand e-celebs and e-celeb intellectuals/skeptics. Also, I can't take anyone who looks like Styx seriously. I know it's an unfair basis and he's probably a BASED dude.

Seriously, just look at this guy.



I spent my teens getting high with these type of guys.

[Dr. MD MD]

I have a really unfair basis. I can't stand e-celebs and e-celeb intellectuals/skeptics. Also, I can't take anyone who looks like Styx seriously. I know it's an unfair basis and he's probably a BASED dude.

Seriously, just look at this guy.



I spent my teens getting high with these type of guys.

You should try to get past that. He should be advising the Pentagon. Seriously.

[crescent fresh]

I have a really unfair basis. I can't stand e-celebs and e-celeb intellectuals/skeptics. Also, I can't take anyone who looks like Styx seriously. I know it's an unfair basis and he's probably a BASED dude.

Seriously, just look at this guy.



I spent my teens getting high with these type of guys.

He has horrible taste in women

[Kidnostad3]

Posit this: someone who recognizes the danger of Islam in general and might say war against it in certain places or against certain strains/groups is needed but do it, win it, and come home (and deal with borders and Fifth Column already here by bad immigration policy.) Versus those who think Islam is ok in general but a useful thing in certain groups/strains and let's play them against each other, use the very real threat- but hype it more- to curb certain 'freedoms' here at home, play some games with energy price speculation, and considering the "real threat" is Russia and so a constant war policy is good for the country (and various companies and for other countries for whom we fight certain battles- as long as they buy our stuff.) Just randomly speculating here....

Now that would be downright Byzantine but I suppose it's within the realm of possibility. 

[albrecht]

Now that would be downright Byzantine but I suppose it's within the realm of possibility.

Byzantium was a real place. Countless Royal (no pun intended and just realized it  ) intrigues were, are*,  a real thing. More modernly- Turkish politics is an outright example of "deep state" politics (where that term was coined, I give credit to Peter Dale Scott, but maybe used before- and I disagree with his politics.) Hell, bureaucracy, in formality, was a Napoleonic thing (and thought good and efficient) and the Iron Chancellor Bismarck was, arguably, the beginnings of our 'public school' and 'social safety-net' (nationally) idea (later a lot of it more locally was based on the problem of Catholic immigration and them having their own schools.) 

*Saudi very recently

[PB the Deplorable]

He has horrible taste in women

[Dr. MD MD]

Maybe drugs ARE bad? 

[Gd5150]

You should try to get past that. He should be advising the Pentagon. Seriously.

Agreed Styxx has some great perspectives. Very knowledgeable in the whole tech censorship crap that I have no interest in trying to keep up with. His commentary on capitalism today was really interesting.

Not everyone can be as charming as bubba.


https://youtu.be/MImFQKW-LuI

[albrecht]

Agreed Styxx has some great perspectives. Very knowledgeable in the whole tech censorship crap that I have no interest in trying to keep up with. His commentary on capitalism today was really interesting.

Not everyone can be as charming as bubba.

He has good points, as I mentioned a lot of this thread there is nothing, per se, wrong with socialism if the people want it. The problem is it doesn't work unless a homogeneous and, usually, smaller population- without outside threats from others. (And ideally, like Norway, you get a lot of natural resources, and even there, work 'deals' with more capitalist countries to exploit them.) But socialism works great when it is a 'helping hand' and not a total system. Like anyone would do to their family, friends, neighbor, church, community, etc?  But with no push back by shame, social responsibility, or just doing right? That used to be normal or charity? Not some political system. But when it goes to illegals, someone not like you (or who wants to rape your kid,) or to some company who moves away? And when in undermines your country and the people, your family, and don't think your charity is enough but riot, rape, and attack. That is crazy to accept.
I disagree with the technocracy thing. I think it will fall into the 'bad guys.' But I'm more a pessimist, good to hear that he thinks positive about it.

[Kidnostad3]

Byzantium was a real place. Countless Royal (no pun intended and just realized it  ) intrigues were, are*,  a real thing. More modernly- Turkish politics is an outright example of "deep state" politics (where that term was coined, I give credit to Peter Dale Scott, but maybe used before- and I disagree with his politics.) Hell, bureaucracy, in formality, was a Napoleonic thing (and thought good and efficient) and the Iron Chancellor Bismarck was, arguably, the beginnings of our 'public school' and 'social safety-net' (nationally) idea (later a lot of it more locally was based on the problem of Catholic immigration and them having their own schools.) 

*Saudi very recently

Good points.  I guess the problem I have with with intricate plots is that there are so many moving parts and variables involved.  I don't doubt that there is a deep state that has an agenda but I don't think its control is absolute nor can it foresee future events and dynamics that are often a matter of happenstance well enough to pull off something that would have to be as precisely coreographed. You could game it out but all it would take is for one random event to trigger a cascade of follow-on  events that would defeat the aims of the plotters. History is replete with examples.  Since you brought up Napolean, how about his invasion of Russia.  Who would have envisioned that the Russians would refuse to engage and retreat east scorching the earth behind them?   More recently, did anyone see the Arab Spring coming or the rise of a medieval style Caliphate.   Even the plots of the Byzantines sometimes got mixed results or failed altogether.  My point is that no device created by human beings is immune from shit happening or being thwarted by the determined efforts of other human beings.   This includes those of the deep state.  The more complex the plot the more susceptible it is to going pear shaped by pure chance or the intervention of opposing forces.

[albrecht]

Good points.  I guess the problem I have with with intricate plots is that there are so many moving parts and variables involved.  I don't doubt that there is a deep state that has an agenda but I don't think its control is absolute nor can it foresee future events and dynamics that are often a matter of happenstance well enough to pull off something that would have to be as precisely coreographed. You could game it out but all it would take is for one random event to trigger a cascade of follow-on  events that would defeat the aims of the plotters. History is replete with examples.  Since you brought up Napolean, how about his invasion of Russia.  Who would have envisioned that the Russians would refuse to engage and retreat west scorching the earth behind them?   More recently, did anyone see the Arab Spring coming or the rise of a medieval style Caliphate.   Even the plots of the Byzantines sometimes got mixed results or failed altogether.  My point is that no device created by human beings is immune from shit happening or being thwarted by the determined efforts of other human beings.   This includes those of the deep state.

Indeed. And a great point! This though is the problem. It was, relatively, "OK" when some random tribe back-in-the-day made some crazy decision or decided to do something rash or make bad policy. Or even genocide people (I'm not saying this is good but history.) Also I'm not advocating for globalism or even, frankly, for the Federalism or globalism we have today. But making a point that irrationality, internecine conflicts, intrigues, human emotion, and what-not always existed. BUT now they can, in reality, kill a SHITLOAD of people because technology has, maybe, surpassed our rationality or morality. It used to be simply the SPEED but now, or soon so, even the decision making has surpassed our decision making possibility?

[Dr. MD MD]

I don't doubt that there is a deep state that has an agenda but I don't think its control is absolute nor can it foresee future events...

I'm not so sure anymore.

https://www.dwavesys.com/home

[Kidnostad3]

Indeed. And a great point! This though is the problem. It was, relatively, "OK" when some random tribe back-in-the-day made some crazy decision or decided to do something rash or make bad policy. Or even genocide people (I'm not saying this is good but history.) Also I'm not advocating for globalism or even, frankly, for the Federalism or globalism we have today. But making a point that irrationality, internecine conflicts, intrigues, human emotion, and what-not always existed. BUT now they can, in reality, kill a SHITLOAD of people because technology has, maybe, surpassed our rationality or morality. It used to be simply the SPEED but now, or soon so, even the evdecision making has surpassed our decision making possibility?

You're right.  It's a whole new ballgame with things happening, quite literally, at the speed of light.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fmZq8lRyJs

[WOTR]

He has good points, as I mentioned a lot of this thread there is nothing, per se, wrong with socialism if the people want it. The problem is it doesn't work unless a homogeneous and, usually, smaller population- without outside threats from others. (And ideally, like Norway, you get a lot of natural resources, and even there, work 'deals' with more capitalist countries to exploit them.) But socialism works great when it is a 'helping hand' and not a total system. Like anyone would do to their family, friends, neighbor, church, community, etc?  But with no push back by shame, social responsibility, or just doing right? That used to be normal or charity? Not some political system.

It's funny.  I was reading a book recently and it had brought up all of the societies, the service clubs and the formal charities that were founded a hundred or two hundred years ago.  And almost all are in severe decline now.

It got me to considering if we become less charitable and less willing to give of our time to help others the more we believe that the government does (or should) fill that role.  Why belong to a service club and clean up a highway when you pay taxes?  Why serve food at a shelter when you contribute to welfare?

I have not given it as much thought as I probably should- but my working theory basically says that the more "left" or the more socialist a country is, the more likely it's citizens are to remove themselves from personally acting charitable (certainly with their time, and {maybe} with their money).  On the other hand, it could also be blamed on the modernization of society as people spend more time online making what they consider friends and forming relationships. Where joining a service club and actually doing something for the betterment of a community used to be a good way to network and socialize, now we have Bellgab... I don't know if you can separate the changes in society enough to be able to lay the blame at the feet of socialism or technology (or other causes.)

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiA6kD8mIZI

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gqz1A9B9xY