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albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 22, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
Who was kidnapped, the bride or the groom?  I was watching a thing on how widespread the kidnapping of the bride is among Indo-European-speaking peoples, leading to speculation that it is very ancient, going back to the steppes.  The thought was that it began as a gentlemanly gesture whereby the groom enacts the wedding night as though it is a rape so that if anything goes wrong he is fully responsible and would pay whatever the legal price for rape was, some horses or something.  Some of those Indo-Europeans made it into India, of course, speaking Sand Script, so it would be a nice confirmation.
It seemed, to me, some idea that it was more like the family didn't want the bride to go but not so-much like she was kidnapped, thinking about it. Like an attempted blockage by one party and sorta of mock ''hostage negotiation' situation?  LA wouldn't permit an elephant there so he had to use a white horse. Seriously. With a big amp spinning weird Indian songs and whole family marching around until that 'confrontation.' They spent a shitload on the wedding. (And apparently there was stuff when she went over there, including her parents and family) to their family compound/city in India so the wedding was still 'long' but for our US folks only three days.
ps: I always figured the migration went FROM there to other areas and then, like the wife-carrying, to those other areas. We need to get frequent caller to shows Bill From Madison to explain the Finno-Urgic connections!  ;)

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 22, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
Who was kidnapped, the bride or the groom?  I was watching a thing on how widespread the kidnapping of the bride is among Indo-European-speaking peoples, leading to speculation that it is very ancient, going back to the steppes.  The thought was that it began as a gentlemanly gesture whereby the groom enacts the wedding night as though it is a rape so that if anything goes wrong he is fully responsible and would pay whatever the legal price for rape was, some horses or something.  Some of those Indo-Europeans made it into India, of course, speaking Sand Script, so it would be a nice confirmation.

Incidentally, carrying the bride over the threshold probably stems from this same ritual.
Taking this thread again to subjects other than the purpose:
I've heard an interesting theory that one reason the JOOSE  ;) have been successful in maintaining is that, especially in early days, decided to take the line through the mother. The matrineal line would allow rape-victims by others etc to still be in the group and not ostracized as what happens in some many other cultures/religions (sadly even to this day) and also, as modern day DNA tells us, to keep the group together. (Though this focus on maintaining cohesive bloodlines can cause some problems when the population stabilizes and only breeds within the group.)

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on August 22, 2017, 11:21:47 PM
It seemed, to me, some idea that it was more like the family didn't want the bride to go but not so-much like she was kidnapped, thinking about it. Like an attempted blockage by one party and sorta of mock ''hostage negotiation' situation?  LA wouldn't permit an elephant there so he had to use a white horse. Seriously. With a big amp spinning weird Indian songs and whole family marching around until that 'confrontation.' They spent a shitload on the wedding. (And apparently there was stuff when she went over there, including her parents and family) to their family compound/city in India so the wedding was still 'long' but for our US folks only three days.
ps: I always figured the migration went FROM there to other areas and then, like the wife-carrying, to those other areas. We need to get frequent caller to shows Bill From Madison to explain the Finno-Urgic connections!  ;)

I think the latest sort of consensus has Proto-Indo-European beginning somewhere north of the Caspian Sea, expanding west into Europe and south into India, powered by the domestication of the horse and invention of the chariot.  Finno-Ugric started in the forests north of the steppes among people who persisted in hunter/gethering and resisted agriculture and husbandry.  They moved both west into Finland and east into Siberia, while a smaller bunch of them moved onto the steppes where they learned about horses from Turkic-speaking nomads and rode them into Hungary.

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on August 22, 2017, 11:28:20 PM
Taking this thread again to subjects other than the purpose:
I've heard an interesting theory that one reason the JOOSE  ;) have been successful in maintaining is that, especially in early days, decided to take the line through the mother. The matrineal line would allow rape-victims by others etc to still be in the group and not ostracized as what happens in some many other cultures/religions (sadly even to this day) and also, as modern day DNA tells us, to keep the group together. (Though this focus on maintaining cohesive bloodlines can cause some problems when the population stabilizes and only breeds within the group.)

Oh that is interesting.  It has to be a fairly recent (well, couple thousand years haha) thing since all those begats are the pops.

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 22, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
I think the latest sort of consensus has Proto-Indo-European beginning somewhere north of the Caspian Sea, expanding west into Europe and south into India, powered by the domestication of the horse and invention of the chariot.  Finno-Ugric started in the forests north of the steppes among people who persisted in hunter/gethering and resisted agriculture and husbandry.  They moved both west into Finland and east into Siberia, while a smaller bunch of them moved onto the steppes where they learned about horses from Turkic-speaking nomads and rode them into Hungary.
Interesting. I wonder what Bill has to say about that! I was reading some stuff the other day about the various types in Siberia etc. There are still some languages and cultures on-going (everyone focuses on the tropics and South Seas) that are interesting. And tough living but in sometime autonomous Oblosks (spelling? but version of state or region) but due to mining oil/gas and what-not in contact but still in some places have 'old ways.' There is apparently linguistic connections to some "first nations" Indians in Alaska/Canada but I always wonder why the herding of reindeer/caribou happen there in Russia, and in Lapland Europe etc) but not on "our side?" There was an experiment to try to get it going here back in the 20's but it didn't take. I also don't know, wouldn't it be interesting if any connection by language or DNA of the Sammi to those others so far away?

K_Dubb

Quote from: albrecht on August 22, 2017, 11:47:45 PM
Interesting. I wonder what Bill has to say about that! I was reading some stuff the other day about the various types in Siberia etc. There are still some languages and cultures on-going (everyone focuses on the tropics and South Seas) that are interesting. And tough living but in sometime autonomous Oblosks (spelling? but version of state or region) but due to mining oil/gas and what-not in contact but still in some places have 'old ways.' There is apparently linguistic connections to some "first nations" Indians in Alaska/Canada but I always wonder why the herding of reindeer/caribou happen there in Russia, and in Lapland Europe etc) but not on "our side?" There was an experiment to try to get it going here back in the 20's but it didn't take. I also don't know, wouldn't it be interesting if any connection by language or DNA of the Sammi to those others so far away?

As far as I know, the linguistic connection is limited to Eskimos way up north where it's just one big frozen ring and not terribly surprising.  As far as DNA, there are links:

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/dna-links-europeans-and-native-americans/

The reinder-herding thing is funny; I looked into it a while ago and mostly found people condemning the question as racist, implying that herding is a benchmark of civilization the Indians never reached.  Maybe caribou are harder to catch?  In any event I don't know how you can look at those cities in Mexico and think there was no civilization in the Americas hahaha.  Plus the Incas and llamas, you know.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on August 22, 2017, 11:03:01 PM
Trump just returned from yet another vacation, during which he took 2 side trips. His adult children and their families are constantly flying to and fro. Meanwhile, the Secret Service said covering him and his entire extended family is costing so much, they will run out of money to pay their staff by September!

So why are taxpayers like me expected to pick up the tab for this campaign-style rally in Phoenix which serves no purpose other than to feed Trump's own bottomless ego. FFS!         

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2017/08/22/secret-service-bankrupted-by-trump-ego-trips-phoenix/588781001/

Ha ha!  :P



Lord Grantham

Quote from: Gd5150 on August 22, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
Millions gathering around their TVs [citation needed] around the world [doubtful] to celebrate and view the Trump rally in Phoenix. Trump rally viewing parties [citation needed]. Trump celebrations. 100s of millions [citation needed] sharing in the values of free speach [sic], open mindedness, independent thought, intelligent well thought out persuasive arguments [lol], prosperity and equal opportunity for all. And of course 'Merica [sic].

And outside across the street we have the alt-humanity, anti-freedom, antifa fascists, anti-science [lol], anti-liberty, anti-prosperity communists, socialists, and Marxists. The close minded hate is strong with these ones. It's 107 degrees, I'll bet they feel the burn now. 😂

Future so bright...


All this for a 75 minute long rambling speech. Allegedly people were leaving halfway through.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on August 22, 2017, 11:03:01 PM
Trump just returned from yet another vacation, during which he took 2 side trips. His adult children and their families are constantly flying to and fro. Meanwhile, the Secret Service said covering him and his entire extended family is costing so much, they will run out of money to pay their staff by September!

So why are taxpayers like me expected to pick up the tab for this campaign-style rally in Phoenix which serves no purpose other than to feed Trump's own bottomless ego. FFS!         

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2017/08/22/secret-service-bankrupted-by-trump-ego-trips-phoenix/588781001/

He didn't even quote himself verbatim when he started his rambling. I dunno, he's fallen out with ole Mitch who clearly didn't mind his phone conversation with the manchild being made public. A bit worrisome he doesn't know how Trump will survive the position.  :-\.

Its good though that Trump had several stood behind him who have season tickets, he can at least depend on the core nodding dogs to turn up to his campaign rallies. I take it he doesn't yet know the 2016 election is over and he's now supposed to actually work? Oh well...He will soon.


Gd5150

Quote from: chefist on August 23, 2017, 09:54:13 AM
Ha. Gas in the nutz.  ;D

Riot police: 1     Protester: 0

https://www.facebook.com/warriorxii/videos/2036004186621159/

Still waiting for a single leftwinger in the Demokkkrat party to condem leftwing violence and hatred. Oh that's right they encourage it. Losers.

Anyone watch the speech last night? Pretty high energy, probably Trump's best as President. Guy mowed down every talking point against him like a force of nature.

What was really scary was watching CNN right after. They're just blatantly lying about everything at this point. Watching how unhinged Don Lemon was last night was like watching a /pol/ written parody of the MSM. I haven't watched MSM in months but Jesus, how can anyone buy this horse shit? They're completely insane at this point.

Here's the salt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBRVekmEPKY

Gd5150

Quote from: GuerrillaUnReal on August 23, 2017, 10:23:13 AM
Anyone watch the speech last night? Pretty high energy, probably Trump's best as President. Guy mowed down every talking point against him like a force of nature.

What was really scary was watching CNN right after. They're just blatantly lying about everything at this point. Watching how unhinged Don Lemon was last night was like watching a /pol/ written parody of the MSM. I haven't watched MSM in months but Jesus, how can anyone buy this horse shit? They're completely insane at this point.

Here's the salt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBRVekmEPKY

The DemokkkrataMedia has been lying about Trump for over a year. See Russia. See the presidents initial response to Charolettesvilleville. They're an unintellectual group incapable of independent thought. They lack vision or the ability to put forward persuasive arguments. See the number of leftwing lemmings here for examples of ignorance. They're posts have no substance whatsoever.

That being said I thought Trumps speach was weak. Revisiting Charolettesville was totally pointless. The vast majority of the public knows now there was nothing rascist said and knows Trump and the Republicans aren't rascist. They also know the Demokkkratmedia and their lemming followers are sad ignorant people full of hate. Things have finally cooled down and are moving on and Trump revisits it. Pointless.

Trumps lack of presidentiality is tiresome. When you win it's time to be a leader. You don't speak using "I", it's not your country, it's "we" our country. The White House and Cabinet are a team, not 1 person. He spent the 1st 30 minutes on Charolettesville. Yawn. Then he goes into the same 1 trick pony show of attacking the media. We already know the dumpster media is worthless. That's why no one is watching them or reading their trash.

He needs to be a damn leader and start presenting ideas and reasons congress should be supporting these ideas. He needs to invite the Demokkkrats and their lemming followers to calm down and have an open mind and offer their soluions. Reach out to them symbollically. They'll ignore it of course, because they have no solutions, but it makes him look presidential and illustrates the worthlessness of the Demokkkrat party. It makes them look even weaker if that's possible.

I'm a big defender of Trump and what he ran on and he will always be a huge improvement over Clinton. But it's time to start acting like the president and not like a reality show star. I honestly don't think we'll see the same kind of turnout for his next rally. That thing had to be a disappointment for those who went.

Lemon isn't even worth acknowledging, it's a disgrace and a joke.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 22, 2017, 09:58:22 PM
Yeah I've heard that argument that Islam has had no reformation.  I'm no expert, but there's a big Ahmadiyya community here, a 19th-century movement that recognizes all faiths, forswears violence, and redefines jihand as an inner struggle for purity.  They're considered apostates by most, though, since they think their founder, coincidentally named Ahmad, was the Mahdi.

Yeah, I remember when Ahmad Jamal started that sect.  It began as a jazz trio.

chefist

Quote from: GuerrillaUnReal on August 23, 2017, 10:23:13 AM
Anyone watch the speech last night? Pretty high energy, probably Trump's best as President. Guy mowed down every talking point against him like a force of nature.

What was really scary was watching CNN right after. They're just blatantly lying about everything at this point. Watching how unhinged Don Lemon was last night was like watching a /pol/ written parody of the MSM. I haven't watched MSM in months but Jesus, how can anyone buy this horse shit? They're completely insane at this point.

Here's the salt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBRVekmEPKY

Quimby? Is that you?


Gd5150

Here's a much better synopsis of don lemmings response and his lemming counterparts at the dumpster media. Great times 😂

https://youtu.be/1KSi-sYod70


Quote from: Gd5150 on August 23, 2017, 11:32:31 AM
... They're an unintellectual group incapable of independent thought. They lack vision or the ability to put forward persuasive arguments. See the number of leftwing lemmings here for examples of ignorance. They're posts have no substance whatsoever...

The MSM has been a disgraceful, dishonest advocacy group for the Democrats for as long as I've been paying attention to them.  During that time, they've moved ideologically towards the Far Left along with the rest of the party - they've gone from dumb, whooly headed Liberals who mostly wanted more government, more handout programs, and a weak foreign policy, to the America-hating ''Progessives'' of today.

Those Libs thought the best way to deal with our enemies (the Soviet Union) was to convince them we wanted peace and to be friends with us by unilaterally disarming, abandoning our friends and allies, and projecting weakness abroad.  The ''Progressives'' of today think the best way to deal with our enemies is to let them infiltrate our nation (radical Islam), and project weakness abroad by letting them go unchecked (China, Iran, N Korea, radical Islam, Russia).

Now that the Left had had several generations to dumb down the people of our country through ''education'', media, and Hollywood, those running the Media don't need to be nearly as subtle in their reporting in order to spread their agenda without being widely exposed.

They can lie blatently.  The ignorant poor care only about the handouts.  The greedy care only about their status and salaries either in the government bureaucracy or Corporate America.  None of them care a thing about the country, and are only too happy to trash it.  Flooding us with more illiterate immigrants, and continuing to miseducate kids in the school system hands the Left an ever larger percentage of the voting pool over time.


For Media and response to Media it's now about virtue signaling.  They no longer even need the pretense of being honest journalists.  The Fake Media chooses a divisive target that can be used effectively for a current goal, put the spin on it they want, and send it out.  For the idiot consumers trained to go along, accuracy doesn't matter, the fairness and honesty of it doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is that they virtue signal the rest of society by going along.  When is the last time one of Liberals / ''Progressives'' / Democrats - whatever you want to call them - who pay at least some attention, and consume at least some news media have ever had a different opinion on anything the Fake News Media is pushing?  When is the last time any of the individual Fake News outlets disagreed with the others? 

For example, every single Fake News outlet immediately began lying about Trump being some sort of pro Nazi, and every Lib moron immediately began virtue signaling their agreement.  How is that even possible, unless the above paragraph is correct?  And these little Fake News events happen almost continuously now.  They don't even try to hide that this junk is much of what they're producing as ''news''.  Because they don't need to

starrmtn001

President Trump's Keynote Speech at American Legion National Convention 8/23/17.

https://youtu.be/0SEWnBUvSAg

Gd5150

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on August 23, 2017, 12:27:34 PM

Those Libs thought the best way to deal with our enemies (the Soviet Union) was to convince them we wanted peace and to be friends with us by unilaterally disarming, abandoning our friends and allies, and projecting weakness abroad.  The Progs of today think the best way to deal with our enemies is to convince them we want to be friends, and to do that we need to let them infiltrate our nation, abandon our friends and allies, and project weakness abroad.

Imagine if the DemokkkratMedia/Party went after Islamic terrorism like they go after Republicans. They would've been defeated 15 years ago.

It's very easy to tell who the left considers "the enemy". It's not and never has been Russians, Islamic terrorists, a weak economy, NKorea, communism, unemployment, a lack of jobs. Those things aren't their enemy. The Demokkkrat party's enemy is anyone who stands in their way of them achieving control over everyone.

Whenever there's a terrorist attack, the lefts response is we need to understand them, we need to look at the United States and how it caused this. Blame the country. Blame Republicans.

When there's a slow economy, it's blame Republicans. They have no vision and want no solutions. They prefer a slow economy. It means more people needing Demokkkrat handouts, i.e. More voters.

When the failed Obamacare needs fixing, it's blame Republicans.

They never attack ideas, or present solutions. The only thing the left knows how to do is attack the Right. Attack the United States. They want the downfall of the constitution and the county so they can have control. Everything they do is about acquiring more power.

They're now attacking the very constitution going after the 2nd amendment and the right to bare arms. And now they've even stuped to going after the 1st amendment and freedom of speach. It really is incredible to watch their ignorance at work. And quite sad that they've created such a large group of completely brainless lemming followers.

This all started got ramped up with Nixon and the media bringing him down. They hated him before Watergate. And since then, not a single Demokkkrat in government, in media, anywhere, has given a speach, or proposed a vision, a solution, without blaming Republicans. It's all they're good for. Which means they're good for nothing.

Quote from: Gd5150 on August 23, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
... The Demokkkrat party's enemy is anyone who stands in their way of them achieving control over everyone.

... They want the downfall of the constitution and the county so they can have control. Everything they do is about acquiring more power...

That's correct

Quote from: Gd5150 on August 23, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
... It's very easy to tell who the left considers "the enemy". It's not and never has been Russians, Islamic terrorists, a weak economy, NKorea, communism, unemployment, a lack of jobs. Those things aren't their enemy...

They've had full and complete control of our large cities for 60 years.  Poverty is worse, crime is worse, education is worse, employment is worse, infrasructure is worse, the police are worse, the court system is worse, the city bureaucracy itself is worse.  It's all much worse.

The only time any of these things improve is when some Rebublican manages to win a term or two.

If they truly cared about what they say they care about, jobs, education, poverty, etc, wouldn't they address them inthe places where they have the power?


Quote from: Gd5150 on August 23, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
... They're now attacking the very constitution going after the 2nd amendment and the right to bare arms. And now they've even stuped to going after the 1st amendment and freedom of speach. It really is incredible to watch their ignorance at work. And quite sad that they've created such a large group of completely brainless lemming followers..

We're in a post-Constitutional era, and have been for awhile.  It's paid lip service, if that, and the only time the Left has anything positive to say is when they want to use some part of it against us.

Look at Obama, he despised separation of powers, or any limits to his power.  He ignored court rulings.  He ignored laws he didn't like, and dictated new ones.  He ignored the Senate consent requirements on his treaties.  He deemed the Senate out of session wen it wasn't, in order to fill vacancies requiring consent.  His Executive Orders were not directives under existing law, they were new law.  He directed his agencies to issue new regulations beyond what the underlying legislature allowed.  On and on.  Using the lower standard of evidence FISO court warants to illegally spy on Americans.  And the supposed ''watchdog'' media went along and provided cover.  His fans went right along with all of it.  The cowardly Republicans checked some of it, but not enough.

And Hilary was poised to to the same and expand on it

Look at the Bill of Rights, the first Ten Amendments.  A lot of it is gone.

Freedom of religion.  Instead of protecting our rights, the courts have attacked religion, as has the rest of government.
Free speech.  In Left-wing enclaves, police are told to stand down while those who want to hear a speaker are attacked.  Speech codes have been instituted on public universities. 

Peaceful assembly.  This has been subverted to regularly allow rioting

You mentioned the Second Amendment.  It's been a long time since we've had the right to bear arms in most places

3rd Amendment - search and seizure, probable cause, warrants.  We're being spied on constantly - email, phone, internet, mail;  cameras everywhere;  illegal searches, etc

3rd and 5th - we're required to testify against ourselves before the IRS, and hand over documentation to them with no warrant,

The 9th and 10th say there are other rights not listed, and the individual state legislatures decide what those are.  Instead, the federal courts have claimed power to decide these issures for the entire country, especially social issues.

The 17th took away the state legislature's role in the federal government.  It was set up so they appointed Senators, and thus states interests, rights, and responsibilities were represented in DC.  Laws that usurped state power wouldn't pass.  That's gone, meaning there is no longer any check on the growth of federal power.  When government power expands, the ability of people to live their lives without intrusion decreases.

That's just a short list of blatent disregard of the Constitution.  It doesn't even touch on all the things the federal government is involved in that it is not authorized to do.  The Constitution limits the federal government to do what is specifically listed, and futher delegates responsibility of that between the three branches.  I'd estimate 80-90% of it's current budget and activities are not authorized.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: starrmtn001 on August 23, 2017, 01:28:20 PM
;D ;D ;D    ;)


Nearly an hours worth of the manbaby whining on and on about how bad the world treats him..its not fair...why are they saying nasty things?...bwahhhh bwahhh.. someone change his diaper. Still, it isn't as if the toddler has ever been told the world doesn't revolve around him, so how can he be expected to grow up now?

Gd5150

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on August 23, 2017, 01:43:51 PM
its as if the toddler has never been told the world doesn't revolve around him

That's kinda how I felt watching last night. It's like we didn't elect you so we could have you, we elected you to get shit done. And he spends an hour about himself. There are real problems our country needs to tackle and he's playing right into the left's hands by constantly talking about himself. As if him reading his own words or condemning the MSM is going to influence the DemokkkkratMedia. They're going to say what they wanna say regardless of reality.

The country is moving on from Charollettesville. Next week it'll be a new fake matter that the left is outraged over. It'll take a few days to get context (evidence that the demokkkrats have done the same thing 100x over) and the MSM will move to the next fake outrage. It's tiring and it's growing boring.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Gd5150 on August 23, 2017, 01:56:02 PM
That's kinda how I felt watching last night. It's like we didn't elect you so we could have you, we elected you to get shit done. And he spends an hour about himself. There are real problems our country needs to tackle and he's playing right into the left's hands by constantly talking about himself. As if him reading his own words or condemning the MSM is going to influence the DemokkkkratMedia. They're going to say what they wanna say regardless of reality.

The country is moving on from Charollettesville. Next week it'll be a new fake matter that the left is outraged over. It'll take a few days to get context (evidence that the demokkkrats have done the same thing 100x over) and the MSM will move to the next fake outrage. It's tiring and it's growing boring.

A young woman being mown down by a nazi loving thug wasn't fake.

And him playing into anyones hands isn't the point. Whether or how anyone reacts to his self absorbtion is less important than the fact that is his raison d'etre and it won't change for anything. Not country, not the population within. He's never been told he's wrong, nor accepts that he could be. Ever. His only interest is himself. Why is anyone now surprised? Everyone who took notice knew, why not everyone?

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