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Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

albrecht

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 22, 2017, 02:50:15 PM
Good to see you RGG!  But you need to do a quick check in Flags of the World.
I've had it mistaken for a Confederate Battle Flag before. In these times of militant Leftists I would wear or display with some caution.

ps: Islam=Bad

albrecht

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 22, 2017, 05:29:34 PM


I may be vexillogically challenged (Actually I was just on my ipad when I wrote that and your avatar was too small to see it wasn't a union jack. I could tell it wasn't an American flag though  ;)) but even I know a good conjob when I see one.  8)
Jim Jones was a really connected Democrat. Had rallies and meetings with many people and was a major fundraiser and 'get out the votes' for Democrats, especially in California. Even for the vaunted Harvey Milk (who "dated" an underage boy) who was assassinated by a nutjob.

Gd5150

Quote from: albrecht on August 22, 2017, 05:38:00 PM
Jim Jones was a really connected Democrat. Had rallies and meetings with many people and was a major fundraiser and 'get out the votes' for Democrats, especially in California. Even for the vaunted Harvey Milk (who "dated" an underage boy) who was assassinated by a nutjob.

One of the creepier "In Search Of's" on Jim Jones.

https://youtu.be/eHjjzOypql4


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: albrecht on August 22, 2017, 06:18:24 PM
Nice, I loved that show.
Btw we might get closer and closer to the reasons for things like Charlottesville riots? I wish I figured out a business model like Morris Dees and those guys.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2017/08/22/george-amal-clooney-donate-1-m-southern-poverty-law-center-combat-hate-groups/590033001/

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/jpmorgan-pledging-millions-anti-hate-152900497.html

http://www.learnprogress.org/jp-morgan-ceo-nbc/

Yeah...sure..."hate groups."  Translation: conservatives. ::)

Gd5150

Quote from: albrecht on August 22, 2017, 06:18:24 PM
Nice, I loved that show.
Btw we might get closer and closer to the reasons for things like Charlottesville riots? I wish I figured out a business model like Morris Dees and those guys.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2017/08/22/george-amal-clooney-donate-1-m-southern-poverty-law-center-combat-hate-groups/590033001/

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/jpmorgan-pledging-millions-anti-hate-152900497.html

http://www.learnprogress.org/jp-morgan-ceo-nbc/

Hey, Southern Povert Law Center is "nonprofit". They have over 250 employees and 350 million dollars. Yep, nonprofit.

albrecht

Quote from: Gd5150 on August 22, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
Hey, Southern Povert Law Center is "nonprofit". They have over 250 employees and 350 million dollars. Yep, nonprofit.
Yeah, SPL, ADL, etc have great business models. They get money off bad news and even fake news (lots of "hate crimes" end up being done by people trying to get attention to whatever cause.)


Gd5150

Millions gathering around their TVs around the world to celebrate and view the Trump rally in Phoenix. Trump rally viewing parties. Trump celebrations. 100s of millions sharing in the values of free speach, open mindedness, independent thought, intelligent well thought out persuasive arguments, prosperity and equal opportunity for all. And of course 'Merica.

And outside across the street we have the alt-humanity, anti-freedom, antifa fascists, anti-science, anti-liberty, anti-prosperity communists, socialists, and Marxists. The close minded hate is strong with these ones. It's 107 degrees, I'll bet they feel the burn now. 😂

Future so bright...


Kidnostad3

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 22, 2017, 05:20:43 PM
None that I can think of, unless you count the spiritual succor of millions of people which is, of course, the primary purpose of religion.

This fundamentalist virus as you call it waxes and wanes in its visibility but jihad and world domination are essential pillars of the faith.  What you see as spiritual succor, most of us 21st century infidels regard as a spiritual, political and intellectual tyranny.  Any diversity of thought since the Suni/Shiite schism has been met with brutal repression.  Ever hear of an Islamic Reformed Mosque?  That's all just fine with me except when their 14th Century beliefs become a threat to western civilization in general and my Country in particular.  This is not just an abstract polemic for me and many others. 

=Schlyder=

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on August 22, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
This fundamentalist virus as you call it waxes and wanes in its visibility but jihad and world domination are essential pillars of the faith.  What you see as spiritual succor, most of us 21st century infidels regard as a spiritual, political and intellectual tyranny.  Any diversity of thought since the Suni/Shiite schism has been met with brutal repression.  Ever hear of an Islamic Reformed Mosque?  That's all just fine with me except when their 14th Century beliefs become a threat to western civilization in general and my Country in particular.  This is not just an abstract polemic for me and many others.

Fuck Islam.  They aren't a threat to western civilization, they are just a major annoyance right now.  When the west finally decides it has had enough of this fucking around, Islam will be wiped off the planet. The west has to first eliminate the deep state establishment, who has been preventing the wiping out of Islam, as they are making money from the shitfest they created. 

Kidnostad3

Quote from: =Schlyder= on August 22, 2017, 07:41:32 PM
Fuck Islam.  They aren't a threat to western civilization, they are just a major annoyance right now.  When the west finally decides it has had enough of this fucking around, Islam will be wiped off the planet. The west has to first eliminate the deep state establishment, who has been preventing the wiping out of Islam, as they are making money from the shitfest they created.


If you don't think that a 3 or 4 to 1 birth rate in Muslim countries vs. the west is a threat,  I want some of what you're smoking.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/04/02/397042004/muslim-population-will-surpass-christians-this-century-pew-says

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on August 22, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
No, Instead Trump led the unfounded and lying shit about Obama's eligibility to be POTUS. naturally Trump denied it after being elected even though he claimed he had a PD on the case in Hawaii.

Not sure he's apologised for his racist based attack on Obama..Nor has anyone else apologised for the shit they piled on Obama and his family which had nothing to do with his job and everything to do with their skin colour.

Ok, it wasn't racist to ask Obama to present his birth certificate and other documents.  There is a valid question about it, and the fact - the fact - that he presented two forgeries makes made it even more suspicious. 

The guy sat in a racist Black Liberation Theology church, listening to a ranting America-hating, white-hating, Jew-hating racist ''minister'' for 20 years.  20 years.  His closest associates included a 60s domestic terrorist husband and wife team, any number of corrupt Daily Machine politicians, Alinskyite Marxists, and Jew hating Palestinian apologists.  And That's just who we know about.

Pointing any of this out and questioning it isn't ''racist'', no matter what the Fake News outlets told you, and no matter what ''color'' Obama is. 


Now look at what's been said and done about Trump and the Russians - and now Trump and the Klan / Neo-Nazis / White Supremists.  With no evidence at all, even circumstantial, on the first, and just the typical avalanche of lies and smears the Ds are so good at on the second.  There's your unfounded lying shit you've been looking for, and under your description it's can only be a racist based attack when any non-white person says it.

chefist

Which Dem candidate would fill an arena (not paid to sit)? Just asking...

Quote from: =Schlyder= on August 22, 2017, 07:41:32 PM
Fuck Islam.  They aren't a threat to western civilization, they are just a major annoyance right now.  When the west finally decides it has had enough of this fucking around, Islam will be wiped off the planet. The west has to first eliminate the deep state establishment, who has been preventing the wiping out of Islam, as they are making money from the shitfest they created.


chefist

Who had it?

FDR: Yes
Truman: No
Eisenhower: No
Kennedy: Yes
Johnson: No
Nixon: No
Ford: No
Carter: No
Reagan: Yes
Bush 1: No
Clinton: Yes
Bush 2: No
Obama: Yes
Trump: Yes

Arguments?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: chefist on August 22, 2017, 08:22:14 PM
Who had it?

FDR: Yes
Truman: No
Eisenhower: No
Kennedy: Yes
Johnson: No
Nixon: No
Ford: No
Carter: No
Reagan: Yes
Bush 1: No
Clinton: Yes
Bush 2: No
Obama: Yes
Trump: Yes

Arguments?

One could quibble over Ike. People liked him.  ;)

Dr. MD MD

Crowd chanting CNN Sucks!  ;D

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 22, 2017, 08:24:45 PM
One could quibble over Ike. People liked him.  ;)

I Like Ike!

chefist

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 22, 2017, 08:24:45 PM
One could quibble over Ike. People liked him.  ;)

Noted. He was loved for his efforts in WWII and highway system, but a "cult of personality"?


Quote from: K_Dubb on August 22, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
The point is that your characterisation of Islam as anti-intellectual is simply inaccurate, and shows that you've absorbed the kind of facile, lumping polemics peddled by the kind of demagogues who favor sweeping generalizatons over careful distinctions.

It is interesting to consider why so many Greek texts were transmitted to us in Arabic.  It may largely be a matter of proximity:  I watched an interesting lecture a couple months ago that demonstrated that many Classical Greek authors actually lived in what is today coastal Turkey and Syria down to Egypt.  To call them Turks would be absurd as there were no Turks in Turkey at that time, but calling them Greeks gives the mistaken impression that the Classical apex was confined to the European side of the Dardanelles, when it wasn't:  two of the ancient Wonders were there (three if you count Rhodes) and they invented coinage.  If the texts remained local, they were presumably inherited by the Romans/Byzantiines and then later plundered by Muslims during their conquests.  The fact remains, however, that Islamic scholars studied and propagated these sources rather than destroying them.

Islam is a grand old faith that has caught a fundamentalist virus.  You have only to think back fifty years to find urbane Islamic cultures where thundering preachers were held in check by governments which, though not entirely secular, were pragmatic enough to recognize troublemakers and suppress them.  Two hundred years ago, Islamic societies were perceived by Westerners as licentious and immoral compared to their own, though now only the belly-dancer survives to remind us of this era.  I've never been able to figure out why so many Muslim men should suddenly develop an appetite for preaching and instead of living their lives peacefully and productively should obsessively share hectoring videos on the internet and submit to regular harangues on The Way Things Ought To Be, but I see this is not confined to Islam.  You guys have got a regular madrassa going on here.

I don't expect you to care about any of this, nor does it matter at all when it comes to current immigration policy.  We have to deal with Muslims as they are now, and I'm in favor of cooling it until they figure their shit out.  But your kind of relentless lumping just comes across as woefully ignorant of history, and your opposition to Muslim immigration is easily caricatured as garden-variety chauvinism.  Maybe turn off the radio and read a book.

My characterization of Islam over the past 100 years is accurate.  Tell me where on the globe the Muslims get along with their neighbors, whether they are of a different religion, or a different version of Islam? 

So what that in 1500 years you are able to find some instances where they were engaged in arts, sciences, and humanities.  I think some of that has been inflated, and some of what they are given credit for in places like Spain was actually done by the Jewish population and others.  It wasn't a positive for those conquered by the Moslems.  Overall they have been wildly negative.  It isn't a ''grand old faith'', it's been hostile, aggessive, and repressive over it's entire existance.  Any periods or places it wasn't were the exception.  You may want to reconsult your historical research.  Your reference of looking back 50 years when thundering preachers were held in check by governments is exactly what I was refering to when I referenced Mubarek, Khadafy (the last several years of his reign), Saddam, and Assad. 

I'm with you about dealing with Muslims as they exist now, and am very in favor of cooling it until they figure their shit out.  Those are my main points. 

You can say anything you want about m views, but the vast majority of the American people agree with me.  We see what's going on in the world, and don't want more of it here.  No one is owed access to our country, and until we can sort out who is peaceful and who wishes us harm, I see no point in admitting any.

I'm curious, how many Muslims do you know?  I know a few, and from what they tell me, the vast majority (80% plus) of the Muslims here in the US range from slightly anti-Western to rabidly anti-Western.  100% hate Israel and our foreign policy in the Middle East. 

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: chefist on August 22, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
Noted. He was loved for his efforts in WWII, but a "cult of personality"?

No, fair enough. His personality as president was as a sedate suburban golfer.

chefist

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 22, 2017, 08:30:12 PM
No, fair enough. His personality as president was as a sedate suburban golfer.

Yes, nothing wrong with that of course.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on August 22, 2017, 03:06:26 PM

And as a result of her drive to sell publically owned concerns back to the population, I mean hedge funds and overseas countries, the UK has a railway service owned by the Germans and French (Both of which have nationalised railways!). Not one energy company British owned and not one British owned water company. Oh yeah, she had a pair alright..

So re-nationalize them.  I'm sure the EU overlords would permit it

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on August 22, 2017, 01:19:29 PM

He probably meant 93. Still it could be worse...

Yeah, who doesn't mistakenly add the word ''million'' after numbers when they mention them?

Point being, Ds are always given passes for misspeaking, no one else is

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 22, 2017, 05:20:43 PM
None that I can think of, unless you count the spiritual succor suppression of millions of people which is, of course, the primary purpose of religion.

FIFY

Dr. MD MD

Trump just laying into the mainstream media.  ;D


Dr. MD MD

Wow! He's pardoning Arpaio....just not tonight.  ;)

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