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[Dr. MD MD]

I don't like the cold. It gets pretty chilly here this time of year too. This is offset by the unbearably hot summers.

Typical Brit ponce. Never happy!

[PB the Deplorable]

What a ghastly dump you fled to.

Pud is a pilgrim, and as such is quite willing to put up with such trivialities

Sacramento is arguably where modern conservative governing was incubated, with Ronald Reagan honing his political skills, and fleshing out the details of his agenda while serving as Governor of California.  Pud has come, with many others, to retrace the footsteps of the great man, and live out his later years there in quiet contemplation.

[pyewacket]

When I said pandering, I meant they pander to him personally.. You know, like the salesman to Julia Roberts' character in Pretty Woman? Sychophantic, craven, supine,

Are you trying to make a distinction here? Would you say that they are pandering to a businessman or the president?

I think he would be gratified and smile sagely in the mirror for your obsequious oversight of his woeful shortcomings.

Name me someone who doesn't react that way when you agree with them?

African predators? It's an unfortunate analogy of Trump. Cheetahs (and I've been very fortunate to see one in the wild) sleep most of the day, hidden. They have to because the energy they expend to hunt is anaerobic and total to exhaustion. They have to catch their prey first time or go hungry for many hours, possibly days. They're also vulnerable to bigger predators, such as lions and hyenas. Impala on the other hand have more chance of surviving an attack from a cheetah than being caught and killed.

My point here was not whether Donald Trump could run down an Impala for lunch, but more of an admiration for any person or creature that is capable and willing to change tactics to achieve their goal. These types do not give up pursuing their goal at the first wrong turn and do not consider it a failure if they have to make significant changes to do so. It may not be a goal or the direction taken to achieve that goal that you agree with, but we're not talking about that. We are talking about the methods he uses to achieve his goals.   

Anyway, that and teeth aside. I'll address the bold section. He isn't a successful businessman per se. He's bankrupted at least five times, (Not sure if any were before or after he dodged Vietnam) he had a university that was a sham university, (Fined $25 million). He's been sued over 2000 times and lost nearly every one, although he seldom pays out, because he's not an honourable businessman-(Swamp draining remember). He had a big fanfare for a casino that closed ten years later under suspicion of money laundering. He cannot get one US bank lend him money, not one. He is under several inquiries, including money laundering. Steve Bannon, his faithful ex pet poodle is quoted as saying that Mueller will be looking at money laundering.

He has been in business for 50+ years. I haven't followed his career closely (and I suspect neither have you) but this is not all that surprising when a person has to hire contractors, sub-contractors, lease machinery, buildings, etc. You are responsible for all those you hire and need plenty of insurance for all contingencies and risks. How familiar are you with USA business law? UCCs, building and loan agreements, etc? Have you never been disappointed or cheated by someone you hired especially for an important project? Plus these are high level dealings involving large investments with high expectation in the quality of outcomes. Something like- this is not the material we agreed on, the quality of work is poor, you failed to meet the deadline and I'm not paying for cost overruns. The contractor says, "too bad." Trump says, "This isn't what we agreed on in our contract." The contractor says, "I'm going to sue you." You don't think this happens regularly in that type of business?

You allege that he has never paid these judgments? There is a big difference from taking someone to court and winning a judgement. If you had presented more details supporting your claims perhaps you could sway me but these generalities aren't going to do it.

I remember the university issue and again- he, like other celebrities and well known business people, attached his name to a product or service that fell short of expectations.

Ah, the casino business- I recall the problems in Atlantic City. Are you familiar with it? The whole surrounding area of those multi million dollar casinos was practically a war zone. The inhabitants of those areas like to supplement their 'welfare earnings' with other people's gambling winnings. People got sick and tired of having to be shuttled in and out by armored tour buses and took their business to friendlier venues. It was good for the Native Americans and the elderly had a friendlier place to blow off their SS checks. It all works out.

The Vietnam war and the draft divided our country. You are aware that there was widespread resistance - right? Protests/activism, students burning their draft cards as early as 1964. Half a million refusing induction. By 1972 there were more conscientious objectors than actual draftees. Many fled to Canada. They phased out student deferments in 1969.

Here's another young man's story- He wrote a letter to the draft board on the back of a cereal box, in crayon, as a protest. He got an unexpected surprise. The board decided that he had mental problems and classified him as 4F, unfit for service. They even called his parents to offer condolences.

Do you hold that young man in equal contempt? How about the hippies? Do you think all those who served did so with honor? Do you think DT's student and medical deferment is more disrespectful to our Vietnam veterans than the people who spit on them when they returned? Commanders who used them and their body counts to rise up through the ranks and 'earn' another star? How about that 'peace' candidate, Lyndon B Johnson, who broke his promise?   

As for making quick decisive decisions? You're joking right? He doesn't remember what he said two minutes before he said anything he then goes on to disagree with. And that's not counting how often he tweets something that countermands what the 'official' WH statement is, or they have to 'clarify' some bollox he's tweeted. Mueller's job is made far easier because Trump doesn't even have the sense to keep his mouth shut over things his lawyers must be shitting themselves over.

Basically, you are looking at someone who is used to making quick decisions. Most politicians seem to move on a geologic time scale, except when voting their own interests. I for one, would like to see better cooperation. 

Cheetahs are beautiful animals (Most unlike Trump), but they don't have much stamina, and they're endangered. 

You do know that I wasn't making a direct comparison- right?

[Gd5150]

Sacramento is arguably where modern conservative governing was incubated, with Ronald Reagan honing his political skills, and fleshing out the details of his agenda while serving as Governor of California.  Pud has come, with many others, to retrace the footsteps of the great man, and live out his later years there in quiet contemplation.

It’s actually a decent town to live in. To the east, you have El Dorado Hills and Roseville which are good places if you’re a 1%er. The midtown area is great if you’re in your 20-30s and enjoy nightlife. Dozens of bars, clubs, restaurants. From hip-hop culture downtow  to the gay community in midtown. We have a few dozen craft breweries all over the area. The foothills wine country is huge with dozens of wineries. If you like the outdoors there’s biking paths and trails all over. The American and Sacramento rivers converge, there’s boating there as well as Folsom Lake. Desolation Wilderness, Tahoe, Bigfoot, an hour east. Reno is 2 hours away if you’re into the Vegas thing. Or you can go a few hours West and you’re at the ocean. And best part, you never have to go to the Bay Area cesspool. Unfortauntely they’re all racing here with their lemming beards and skinny jeans. But it’s great for our home prices.

[Yorkshire pud]

Are you trying to make a distinction here? Would you say that they are pandering to a businessman or the president?

Neither. They pander in a craven sycophantic way to a needy, deeply insecure narcissist who cannot tolerate anything but unquestioning devotion; To him, and him alone.

Name me someone who doesn't react that way when you agree with them?

I have worked with and have family members who I don't agree with on everything or in the work environment, on practically anything. But I respect their abilities and expertise. I've been cordial but never ever kissed anyones ass.

My point here was not whether Donald Trump could run down an Impala for lunch, but more of an admiration for any person or creature that is capable and willing to change tactics to achieve their goal. These types do not give up pursuing their goal at the first wrong turn and do not consider it a failure if they have to make significant changes to do so. It may not be a goal or the direction taken to achieve that goal that you agree with, but we're not talking about that. We are talking about the methods he uses to achieve his goals.   

Hmm, his methods might just be at or near the top of Mueller's agenda for asking questions..

He has been in business for 50+ years. I haven't followed his career closely (and I suspect neither have you) but this is not all that surprising when a person has to hire contractors, sub-contractors, lease machinery, buildings, etc. You are responsible for all those you hire and need plenty of insurance for all contingencies and risks. How familiar are you with USA business law? UCCs, building and loan agreements, etc? Have you never been disappointed or cheated by someone you hired especially for an important project? Plus these are high level dealings involving large investments with high expectation in the quality of outcomes. Something like- this is not the material we agreed on, the quality of work is poor, you failed to meet the deadline and I'm not paying for cost overruns. The contractor says, "too bad." Trump says, "This isn't what we agreed on in our contract." The contractor says, "I'm going to sue you." You don't think this happens regularly in that type of business?

Oh he's plenty of form. Its one of the reasons the banks of the USA won't lend him money. How do you think he got financing in 2007-2009 to make golf courses when there was a recession and none of the western banks were lending much let alone for golf courses? Maybe he just maxed out his platinum amex eh?

You allege that he has never paid these judgments? There is a big difference from taking someone to court and winning a judgement. If you had presented more details supporting your claims perhaps you could sway me but these generalities aren't going to do it.

His technique is legendary. Basically he prevaricates, stretches it out and wears people down, you know, the people who don't have the funds to sustain a huge court case..The very people he said he was on the side of...

I remember the university issue and again- he, like other celebrities and well known business people, attached his name to a product or service that fell short of expectations.

Give me a break! He was keen to 'lend his name' to promote and rake in the money from the people who were ponying up the $30000 for the courses. He should just as easily take the heat and admit he fucked them over, but as we know, he isn't honourable so unlikely to admit he did that...

Ah, the casino business- I recall the problems in Atlantic City. Are you familiar with it? The whole surrounding area of those multi million dollar casinos was practically a war zone. The inhabitants of those areas like to supplement their 'welfare earnings' with other people's gambling winnings. People got sick and tired of having to be shuttled in and out by armored tour buses and took their business to friendlier venues. It was good for the Native Americans and the elderly had a friendlier place to blow off their SS checks. It all works out.

So? It was still money laundering, but I suppose he had no idea about that too?

The Vietnam war and the draft divided our country. You are aware that there was widespread resistance - right? Protests/activism, students burning their draft cards as early as 1964. Half a million refusing induction. By 1972 there were more conscientious objectors than actual draftees. Many fled to Canada. They phased out student deferments in 1969.

So? He in his campaign had the temerity to say that McCain who spent five years in a NV hell hole and had almost every bone in his body broken wasn't a hero because he had been a POW. Does that imply that every POW that ever was isn't a hero, especially the ones who were prisoners of the Japanese in WW2?

Here's another young man's story- He wrote a letter to the draft board on the back of a cereal box, in crayon, as a protest. He got an unexpected surprise. The board decided that he had mental problems and classified him as 4F, unfit for service. They even called his parents to offer condolences.

Do you hold that young man in equal contempt? How about the hippies? Do you think all those who served did so with honor? Do you think DT's student and medical deferment is more disrespectful to our Vietnam veterans than the people who spit on them when they returned? Commanders who used them and their body counts to rise up through the ranks and 'earn' another star? How about that 'peace' candidate, Lyndon B Johnson, who broke his promise?   

And? We're talking about Trump. He was the one with 'heel spurs' but could miraculously play football..weird eh?

Basically, you are looking at someone who is used to making quick decisions. Most politicians seem to move on a geologic time scale, except when voting their own interests. I for one, would like to see better cooperation. 

Trump makes decisions like a fly...mindless, reflexed and aimless. He basically takes on boaard whatever the last person said to him and that's his latest 'plan'. He has no conviction, no ideology (other than Trumpiverse) no moral or intellectual compass. The author who ghost wrote 'The art of the deal' spent 18 months with him doing the book and came away with the conclusion that Trump has the emotional and worldly intelligence of a nine year old with ADHD. That was then. Trump has no curiosity about anything other than his self worth. It's why his handlers need to intersperse his briefings with his name and pictures to keep his interest, and he doesn't read that much, claims never to have read a book. And that is the level of intellect we have as POTUS.

You do know that I wasn't making a direct comparison- right?

You used it as an analogy. I was pointing out it was an unfortunate one.

[Yorkshire pud]

Pud is a pilgrim, and as such is quite willing to put up with such trivialities

Sacramento is arguably where modern conservative governing was incubated, with Ronald Reagan honing his political skills, and fleshing out the details of his agenda while serving as Governor of California.  Pud has come, with many others, to retrace the footsteps of the great man, and live out his later years there in quiet contemplation.

Not if herself has her way. She wants to get out of CA. I don't mind where we live as long as it isn't freezing cold in winter and furnace hot in summer.

[PB the Deplorable]

... From hip-hop culture downtown  to the gay community in midtown...

Have you considered a career in marketing?

[PB the Deplorable]

Not if herself has her way. She wants to get out of CA...

Yeah, well, everyone says that but no one seems to leave.  Except employers moving their companies

[albrecht]

Not if herself has her way. She wants to get out of CA. I don't mind where we live as long as it isn't freezing cold in winter and furnace hot in summer.

"Settle" back in the Yorkshire dales (see what I did there?) Beautiful place, and good place to hike around etc, though one part of England that I haven't been. But I think she would enjoy the weather and environment better in Glasgow. Amazing California-like weather all year round and no crime, fights, or blighted estates and cheaper real estate.

[albrecht]

Yeah, well, everyone says that but no one seems to leave.  Except employers moving their companies

Actually there is a weird dynamic. I knew some people who moved over there and in talking with the trucking company he said "all he does is move people back and forth, sometimes the same people." Depending on perspective it can be a good thing, I guess, but on the bad side the Californians bring with them their weird ideas of wanting high-taxes, crime, and illegals (but not in their condos, gated communities, etc) and the companies moving bring jobs and associated jobs. But it also makes real estate prices approaching the crazy Cali-style prices (which can be good, unless you want to continue to live on your property and retired, etc.) I will admit the SoCal weather (fires aside) is much better than our weather, especially during the summer. But, then again, I disagree with Pud, sometimes I like the extremes. Makes you feel alive and sorta nice that this Gore "warming" is bringing us snow and "cold" in winter in addition to the brutal summers. And there is A/C, swimming pool, etc so?

[Gd5150]

Typical Brit ponce. Never happy!

Being never happy is not a Brit thing, it’s a leftwing lemming thing. Along with never having any proactive ideas or solutions. They’re perpetual losers who’s lives are spent stewing in a pool of their negativety. This is what perpetual ignorance breeds. It’s why their leaders are uninspiring failures. It’s why lemmings always claim to be “independents”. This temporarily saves them from having their innabilty to present persuasive arguments exposed. Last inspiring Democrat was JFK and everyone agrees his views are basically modern day Republican. Surprise surprise. The modern day left is utterly worthless.

We have been blessed to live in a time in which an accomplished leader is back in charge and getting things done. The economic bellweather indicators across the world are reflecting the current upswing. The next big issue is to clean up the disastrous failure of Obamacare. This is what happens when you put inexperienced children in charge because of superficial aspects like gender and skin color rather than real qualifications.

[Dr. MD MD]

Being never happy is not a Brit thing, it’s a leftwing lemming thing.

And what kind of country have they been since the end of WW2?

Exactly!

[pyewacket]

Neither. They pander in a craven sycophantic way to a needy, deeply insecure narcissist who cannot tolerate anything but unquestioning devotion; To him, and him alone.

So the person and not the office- right?

I have worked with and have family members who I don't agree with on everything or in the work environment, on practically anything. But I respect their abilities and expertise. I've been cordial but never ever kissed anyones ass.

That was a rhetorical question, Pud. If anything, I expected you to name SV because he does seem to take offense when you do agree with him.

Hmm, his methods might just be at or near the top of Mueller's agenda for asking questions..

I guess we will have to see how that plays out. I am sure one of us will be disappointed with the outcome. Are you willing to accept the results without question or if this doesn't go in your favor will you spend the next three years questioning those results and demand an investigation of the investigation?

Oh he's plenty of form. Its one of the reasons the banks of the USA won't lend him money. How do you think he got financing in 2007-2009 to make golf courses when there was a recession and none of the western banks were lending much let alone for golf courses? Maybe he just maxed out his platinum amex eh?

A recession is the best time to buy property and the worst time to get a loan from the bank. Yes, he would have to find other sources to finance the risks he was willing to take. And they were significant- he knew it and the banks knew it. The bank was looking to their next financial quarter and Trump was looking ahead ten years.

How do you think he got that great 60 year lease on the Post Office building in DC which he converted into a hotel? From the original 80 firms showing interest, he ultimately won out and was able to seal the deal. Whatever he's, doing it works. You may not understand it or appreciate his methods but it is hard to argue with the results. (although I'm sure you will)

His technique is legendary. Basically he prevaricates, stretches it out and wears people down, you know, the people who don't have the funds to sustain a huge court case..The very people he said he was on the side of...

Is this not what the beautiful, anaerobic cheetah does? It's the legal version of nature's cheetah hunt where the one who tires first- loses. Usually, the big winners are the lawyers and they don't seem to be complaining.

You should recognize this process because it seems to be what you and I are involved in right now.   

Give me a break! He was keen to 'lend his name' to promote and rake in the money from the people who were ponying up the $30000 for the courses. He should just as easily take the heat and admit he fucked them over, but as we know, he isn't honourable so unlikely to admit he did that...

I have read the same complaints made about several other online university services. I know someone who got into deep debt and how they pressured her to keep taking more courses. There are many websites and forums on the subject. I'm not saying its right. I am saying that Trump University is no different from 'xyz' university. As far as the 25 million settlement- that would be like a $20 dollar parking ticket for us.

Not a bad price to get on with his campaign. Hillary spent over a billion and got nothing for it. Put those on a scale and see who got the better deal. Who got the better deal- the presidency or a trip in a medical van?

So? It was still money laundering, but I suppose he had no idea about that too?

Casinos and money laundering- there's a word and phrase you never see together!

Is all this stuff going to be on the test you have to take to become an American citizen? You seem to be studying hard- I hope you don't get the fat, Republican guy as your test proctor.

So? He in his campaign had the temerity to say that McCain who spent five years in a NV hell hole and had almost every bone in his body broken wasn't a hero because he had been a POW. Does that imply that every POW that ever was isn't a hero, especially the ones who were prisoners of the Japanese in WW2?

McCain chose to stay there. Some people view that as heroic and others question why he didn't opt to go back and fly more fighter missions with the rest of his squad. Either way, he left some of his friends behind. A difficult choice to make and I don't think we'll ever know why. It does raise questions. Where could he have done more good for the country?

And? We're talking about Trump. He was the one with 'heel spurs' but could miraculously play football..weird eh?

You think playing football is equivalent to being in combat? I don't know how much DT played, but if your pain affects your performance on the field- they bench you. The battlefield is different - lack of performance from pain can get you and those around you killed.

Trump makes decisions like a fly...mindless, reflexed and aimless. He basically takes on boaard whatever the last person said to him and that's his latest 'plan'. He has no conviction, no ideology (other than Trumpiverse) no moral or intellectual compass. The author who ghost wrote 'The art of the deal' spent 18 months with him doing the book and came away with the conclusion that Trump has the emotional and worldly intelligence of a nine year old with ADHD. That was then. Trump has no curiosity about anything other than his self worth. It's why his handlers need to intersperse his briefings with his name and pictures to keep his interest, and he doesn't read that much, claims never to have read a book. And that is the level of intellect we have as POTUS.

Is this ringing a bell here?

You detest people who take other people's ideas and their talking points and regurgitate them as their own, yet isn't that what you are doing here?  Do you have personal experience with Donald Trump or are you just going on the heavily biased opinion in the MSM?

I am amazed that a newly arrived, non citizen has so much intimate knowledge of our president and is so confident in this endless fount of criticism. The criticism is consistent but when asked for more definition of any one point of the criticism, it only leads to more streams of additional criticisms. Anyone following this thread will see that this assessment is fairly accurate.

You used it as an analogy. I was pointing out it was an unfortunate one.

It's not when taken within the scope that I intended. What is unfortunate is that you made it into a beauty contest of Trump vs cheetah and then took us on an African safari, with a summary of the cheetah's metabolic body processes.

You sir, are the unfortunate one.

Cheers, lambImpalachops! 

[Yorkshire pud]

So the person and not the office- right?

I thought that was obvious.. I didn't like W Bush or Clinton much even though both were popular in their respective tenures but it wasn't obvious to me they depended on daily adoration from their respective cabinets.

That was a rhetorical question, Pud. If anything, I expected you to name SV because he does seem to take offense when you do agree with him.

He's a southerner.

I guess we will have to see how that plays out. I am sure one of us will be disappointed with the outcome. Are you willing to accept the results without question or if this doesn't go in your favor will you spend the next three years questioning those results and demand an investigation of the investigation?

It will play out in one of three ways. Mueller will present (Possibly the relevant committees too) case(s) backed up with evidence that will see one or more people serving prison time, and evidence to suggest Trump and his family are up to their necks in various nefarious events past or present..On the basis of that, a majority of the cabinet (and Pence if he's still around) will move to impeach Trump whereby it then goes to the Senate..

Or they will be presented with the evidence and decide that Trump has nothing to answer for but the rest of the circus will appear in court on various counts. Trump may or may not pardon them, but I think politically that will be catastrophic.

Or.. Mueller says that everyone have been very good girls and boys and we can all sleep sound.. Nothing to see. Hannity gets appointed to the cabinet as head of Trump state news and Alex Jones is made head of dietary supplements and FEMA.

I think its inevitable that either scenario will generate each side to condemn the result. If Trump is found guilty (and his family) Trump will claim its fake news and that Clinton stitched him up, as will his followers, and they'll possibly be a civil war.

If he and his circus are exonerated the none Trump followers (bear in mind they'll be some Republicans in that mix too) will scream foul and they'll possibly be a civil war.

Guess which couple will be getting flights out of SFO if there is even a sniff of that? Trump can then be assured he's divided this country and made absolutely no attempt to bring those who didn't vote for him on board, and look around at bedlam.

A recession is the best time to buy property and the worst time to get a loan from the bank. Yes, he would have to find other sources to finance the risks he was willing to take. And they were significant- he knew it and the banks knew it. The bank was looking to their next financial quarter and Trump was looking ahead ten years.

No dispute from me on that; So where did he get his money from?

How do you think he got that great 60 year lease on the Post Office building in DC which he converted into a hotel? From the original 80 firms showing interest, he ultimately won out and was able to seal the deal. Whatever he's, doing it works. You may not understand it or appreciate his methods but it is hard to argue with the results. (although I'm sure you will)

Again, no dispute. But for all his cant about having no financial interests after becoming POTUS, there is no evidence to suggest he's actually done that. His many golf trips that he said he'd have no time for (remember that and how he berated Obama?) bring him millions each time he goes to his hotel and golf club. He charges the security serve who look after him and his family for their use of his facilities to protect him and his family. 

Is this not what the beautiful, anaerobic cheetah does? It's the legal version of nature's cheetah hunt where the one who tires first- loses. Usually, the big winners are the lawyers and they don't seem to be complaining.

No, but the people he's ripped off aren't all business, many are the workers who have done projects on his buildings. You know, the people he said he was going to look after..

You should recognize this process because it seems to be what you and I are involved in right now.   

I have read the same complaints made about several other online university services. I know someone who got into deep debt and how they pressured her to keep taking more courses. There are many websites and forums on the subject. I'm not saying its right. I am saying that Trump University is no different from 'xyz' university. As far as the 25 million settlement- that would be like a $20 dollar parking ticket for us.

We can assume therefore he used the university to basically scam the unfortunates who signed up... And that makes him trustworthy to run the country?

Not a bad price to get on with his campaign. Hillary spent over a billion and got nothing for it. Put those on a scale and see who got the better deal. Who got the better deal- the presidency or a trip in a medical van?

I don't know what that has to do with a university scam. I think its obscene the amount of money spent on elections, but that's me.

Casinos and money laundering- there's a word and phrase you never see together!

You know its illegal right?

Is all this stuff going to be on the test you have to take to become an American citizen? You seem to be studying hard- I hope you don't get the fat, Republican guy as your test proctor.

I doubt it..The way things are going it might be simply, "Do you love Donald Trump?"

McCain chose to stay there. Some people view that as heroic and others question why he didn't opt to go back and fly more fighter missions with the rest of his squad. Either way, he left some of his friends behind. A difficult choice to make and I don't think we'll ever know why. It does raise questions. Where could he have done more good for the country?

Yeah cos the Vietcong were renowned for putting POWs up in seven star hotels with hot and cold running water and baths filled with asses milk,,Please! You know his body was broken don't you? So even if he had been released the likelihood of him combat flying again is nil. Trump got out of it because his father paid someone off to stop him being called up. I'm certain if that had been a Democrat candidate you'd be calling them a coward.

You think playing football is equivalent to being in combat? I don't know how much DT played, but if your pain affects your performance on the field- they bench you. The battlefield is different - lack of performance from pain can get you and those around you killed.

I bet there were 1000s in both world wars, Korea and Vietnam would love to have tried that one...I personally know well several ex Vietnam vets from all services and an ex Korean war airforce mechanic now in his 89th year who I'm privileged to call a friend. Trump is a fucking disgrace and not fit to wipe those old boys' arses.

Is this ringing a bell here?

You detest people who take other people's ideas and their talking points and regurgitate them as their own, yet isn't that what you are doing here?  Do you have personal experience with Donald Trump or are you just going on the heavily biased opinion in the MSM?

I am amazed that a newly arrived, non citizen has so much intimate knowledge of our president and is so confident in this endless fount of criticism. The criticism is consistent but when asked for more definition of any one point of the criticism, it only leads to more streams of additional criticisms. Anyone following this thread will see that this assessment is fairly accurate.

I don't detest anyone. As for personal experience of Trump, nope, but then neither have you. Those who do know him well, (and there are very few because by all accounts he isn't someone who gives of himself) say he's a fantasist, a narcissist and has the attention span measured in single digit minutes.

Perhaps one of the reasons is because I'm from outside America and not used to people judging people by which party they voted for at the last election I can see Trump for what he is; It isn't exactly rocket science, if you don't see how childish and blank he is, you need the scales ripping from your eyes.

It's not when taken within the scope that I intended. What is unfortunate is that you made it into a beauty contest of Trump vs cheetah and then took us on an African safari, with a summary of the cheetah's metabolic body processes.

You sir, are the unfortunate one.

Cheers, lambImpalachops! 

I don't see myself as unfortunate..I've been to Africa several times. I know Trump's sons have been but they just kill and mutilate the wildlife, I took photographs.

[Dr. MD MD]

I can see Trump for what he is; It isn't exactly rocket science, if you don't see how childish and blank he is...

Funny, that's how I've come to see you.

[Yorkshire pud]

Funny, that's how I've come to see you.

Hmmm, but you don't matter. No really.

[albrecht]

I thought that was obvious.. I didn't like W Bush or Clinton much even though both were popular in their respective tenures but it wasn't obvious to me they depended on daily adoration from their respective cabinets.

He's a southerner.

It will play out in one of three ways. Mueller will present (Possibly the relevant committees too) case(s) backed up with evidence that will see one or more people serving prison time, and evidence to suggest Trump and his family are up to their necks in various nefarious events past or present..On the basis of that, a majority of the cabinet (and Pence if he's still around) will move to impeach Trump whereby it then goes to the Senate..

Or they will be presented with the evidence and decide that Trump has nothing to answer for but the rest of the circus will appear in court on various counts. Trump may or may not pardon them, but I think politically that will be catastrophic.

Or.. Mueller says that everyone have been very good girls and boys and we can all sleep sound.. Nothing to see. Hannity gets appointed to the cabinet as head of Trump state news and Alex Jones is made head of dietary supplements and FEMA.

I think its inevitable that either scenario will generate each side to condemn the result. If Trump is found guilty (and his family) Trump will claim its fake news and that Clinton stitched him up, as will his followers, and they'll possibly be a civil war.

If he and his circus are exonerated the none Trump followers (bear in mind they'll be some Republicans in that mix too) will scream foul and they'll possibly be a civil war.

Guess which couple will be getting flights out of SFO if there is even a sniff of that? Trump can then be assured he's divided this country and made absolutely no attempt to bring those who didn't vote for him on board, and look around at bedlam.

No dispute from me on that; So where did he get his money from?

Again, no dispute. But for all his cant about having no financial interests after becoming POTUS, there is no evidence to suggest he's actually done that. His many golf trips that he said he'd have no time for (remember that and how he berated Obama?) bring him millions each time he goes to his hotel and golf club. He charges the security serve who look after him and his family for their use of his facilities to protect him and his family. 

No, but the people he's ripped off aren't all business, many are the workers who have done projects on his buildings. You know, the people he said he was going to look after..

We can assume therefore he used the university to basically scam the unfortunates who signed up... And that makes him trustworthy to run the country?

I don't know what that has to do with a university scam. I think its obscene the amount of money spent on elections, but that's me.

You know its illegal right?

I doubt it..The way things are going it might be simply, "Do you love Donald Trump?"

Yeah cos the Vietcong were renowned for putting POWs up in seven star hotels with hot and cold running water and baths filled with asses milk,,Please! Trump dodged the draft, not because he was a conscientious objector, but because he got his dad to pay someone off to make sure his heal spurs prevented him going..

I bet there were 1000s in both world wars, Korea and Vietnam would love to have tried that one...I personally know well several ex Vietnam vets from all services and an ex Korean war airforce mechanic now in his 89th year who I'm privileged to call a friend. Trump is a fucking disgrace and not fit to wipe those old boys' arses.


I don't detest anyone. As for personal experience of Trump, nope, but then neither have you. Those who do know him well, (and there are very few because by all accounts he isn't someone who gives of himself) say he's a fantasist, a narcissist and has the attention span measured in single digit minutes.

Perhaps one of the reasons is because I'm from outside America and not used to people judging people by which party they voted for at the last election I can see Trump for what he is; It isn't exactly rocket science, if you don't see how childish and blank he is, you need the scales ripping from your eyes.

I don't see myself as unfortunate..I've been to Africa several times. I know Trump's sons have been but they just kill and mutilate the wildlife, I took photographs.

Man, you have some attention and obsessions towards a country to which you fled for temporary reasons due to presumably admirable marriage/pension reasons! Get the wife and, whatever, (one can even get pensions/social-security) when one lives in other countries) and be happy! (Though- ALERT- one of our stupid things is that US citizens still must pay taxes and, now even, report foreign accounts even just HAVING, but especially, on income gained, held, etc in other countries. It is, of course, RIDICULOUS, but we do it.) 

[Yorkshire pud]

Man, you have some attention and obsessions towards a country to which you fled for temporary reasons due to presumably admirable marriage/pension reasons! Get the wife and, whatever, (one can even get pensions/social-security) when one lives in other countries) and be happy! (Though- ALERT- one of our stupid things is that US citizens still must pay taxes and, now even, report foreign accounts even just HAVING, but especially, on income gained, held, etc in other countries. It is, of course, RIDICULOUS, but we do it.) 

I know right.. Land of the free and all that. I do admit it's unfair.

[albrecht]

I know right.. Land of the free and all that. I do admit it's unfair.

It is ridiculous and absurd. And I've bitched about it for decades. But, oddly, the idea is the "progressive" tax idea we have here, unlike there or in Europe. I had a good conversation with a guy from Mann once (friend of a friend) and he was laughing about the crazy tax system we have (and you have actually.) He was some finance lawyer and laughed about it. They get some crazy deals tax and banking wise. Can live in London (SW1V) though, like most, as I learned almost nobody OWNS but "thousand year lease" AT BEST, but most or lesser and etc through letting, but still crazy. His main thing was also about credit card based off-shore for spending and Inland Revenue not getting and what-not. It was a drunken conversations but many agreed and had tax-dodges. And legal, apparently.

[Yorkshire pud]

It is ridiculous and absurd. And I've bitched about it for decades. But, oddly, the idea is the "progressive" tax idea we have here, unlike there or in Europe. I had a good conversation with a guy from Mann once (friend of a friend) and he was laughing about the crazy tax system we have (and you have actually.) He was some finance lawyer and laughed about it. They get some crazy deals tax and banking wise. Can live in London (SW1V) though, like most, as I learned almost nobody OWNS but "thousand year lease" AT BEST, but most or lesser and etc through letting, but still crazy.

My mate who I was at school with came over to live in the states in 1993 and lives in Austen TX. He flies all over the US each week for his job and occasionally back to the UK. And he told me about the overseas tax burden in the US. I thought he was joking at first because it isn't reciprocated.

[albrecht]

My mate who I was at school with came over to live in the states in 1993 and lives in Austen TX. He flies all over the US each week for his job and occasionally back to the UK. And he told me about the overseas tax burden in the US. I thought he was joking at first because it isn't reciprocated.

Austin. But, yeah, it is true. Depending on country it isn't "that bad"-but now I'm not sure (I'm not sure now how tax prep is considered under new reform, I know Bush and Obama changed the "limit" for personal income and Idk about the treaties stuff.)- but a pain and with many countries we had "deals"- it "works out" because depending on situation (are you investing overseas or actually working or living there?) Different rules for different folks. A pain. And TONS of paperwork for companies and people with regard to social security systems, healthcare, cars, housing and what-not. It usually works out but still why? I would support a "still a citizen but if living "residing" overseas I don't pay income or capital gains on that income but can't vote" even (with a caveat that those living there can't vote if they are a net-gainer from the tax-code. ha.)

[albrecht]

My mate who I was at school with came over to live in the states in 1993 and lives in Austen TX. He flies all over the US each week for his job and occasionally back to the UK. And he told me about the overseas tax burden in the US. I thought he was joking at first because it isn't reciprocated.

Once I went to a wedding in London and to deal with a "friend of he family", sort of an "aunt" to the relative came and she was telling me she still needs to file in the US even though she's lived in Spain for over 40 years. And this was before Bush/Obama crackdowns which made it worse and having to listen, out of family obligation an old lady with lots of opinions. (Hates having to come due to English weather, complains about America (this was Bush- I would love to hear her about Trump, now)

[chefist]

SV-long time, no sass. Why do you keep trying to link me with that Schicklgruber fellow? I understand that he is your obsession  - but I would advise you to seek out a more wholesome role model, like Charlie Chaplin- he sort of looks like the other fellow- right? Plus, I think you and Charlie share a particular hobby.



He used to throw custard pies at naked women.

OMG Pye, I'm crying laughing! LOL 

[PB the Deplorable]

My mate who I was at school with came over to live in the states in 1993 and lives in Austen TX. He flies all over the US each week for his job and occasionally back to the UK. And he told me about the overseas tax burden in the US. I thought he was joking at first because it isn't reciprocated.

Unless the IRS gets a W-2 or 1099 showing the income you earned, they won't have any way of finding out

And that's all I'm saying about that, except..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-TTWgiYL4 

[starrmtn001]

How to get past Twitter's shadowban.  You're welcome.

[Jackstar]

It will play out in one of three ways. Mueller will present (Possibly the relevant committees too) case(s) backed up with evidence that will see one or more people serving prison time, and evidence to suggest Drumpf and his family are up to their necks in various nefarious events past or present..On the basis of that, a majority of the cabinet (and Pence if he's still around) will move to impeach Drumpf whereby it then goes to the Senate..

Or they will be presented with the evidence and decide that Drumpf has nothing to answer for but the rest of the circus will appear in court on various counts. Drumpf may or may not pardon them, but I think politically that will be catastrophic.

Or.. Mueller says that everyone have been very good girls and boys and we can all sleep sound.. Nothing to see. Hannity gets appointed to the cabinet as head of Drumpf state news and Alex Jones is made head of dietary supplements and FEMA.

I think its inevitable that either scenario will generate each side to condemn the result. If Drumpf is found guilty (and his family) Drumpf will claim its fake news and that Clinton stitched him up, as will his followers, and they'll possibly be a civil war.

If he and his circus are exonerated the none Drumpf followers (bear in mind they'll be some Republicans in that mix too) will scream foul and they'll possibly be a civil war.

Guess which couple will be getting flights out of SFO if there is even a sniff of that?

Is there a GoFundMe? Can I ship this mewling ponce to New Zealand? Asking for all of us.

[ksm32]

Twitter Censorship seems to be somewhat sporadic. That would sum up my experience until I deactivated my account three weeks ago. On many occasions (tweets) I explicitly expressed my feelings about Arabs in general and my broad-brush disdain for them on how they are the slightly lower than equal to rats for what should seem like obvious worlwide reasons. Never once was I censored in any way. My so-called racist hate speech flourished. In fact, I actually gained followers!!

[MV/Liberace!]

https://www.wnd.com/2020/02/conservative-leaders-urge-ag-barr-stop-big-tech-censorship/