UK election results

[GravitySucks]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/exit-poll-result-general-election-10587983

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/08/general-election-2017-exit-polls-results-live/

[Dr. MD MD]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/exit-poll-result-general-election-10587983

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/08/general-election-2017-exit-polls-results-live/

Wow! Most Brits wrote Just let the Muslims have it in their ballots. 

[Zetaspeak]

first official result. Newcastle stays Labour.

What I know, they have stripe soccer jersey and I know somebody from Sunderland and hates Newcastle. I think they are called Mud Pies?

Speaking of Sunderland, here they come for Labor but these are both solid labor towns

[GravitySucks]

When I read May's statement yesterday it sure sounded like one of Trump's MAGA speeches.

[starrmtn001]

Where's Pud?  I would think he'd be here by now.

[Juan]

Looks like the commies are winning.

[21st Century Man]

Hearing that the exit polls may be faulty.

[SredniVashtar]

first official result. Newcastle stays Labour.

What I know, they have stripe soccer jersey and I know somebody from Sunderland and hates Newcastle. I think they are called Mud Pies?

Speaking of Sunderland, here they come for Labor but these are both solid labor towns

Magpies.

I won't pay much attention to exit polls yet.

[Taaroa]

https://twitter.com/danhewittsky/status/872985973709295617

[21st Century Man]

There was a guy running in Theresa May's district who went by the name of Lord Buckethead.  lol

[mikuthing01]

Their was a guy running in Theresa May's district who went by the name of Lord Buckethead.  lol

Praise Buckethead!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F27goABYMso

[Taaroa]

There was a guy running in Theresa May's district who went by the name of Lord Buckethead.  lol

There's also this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party

[Zetaspeak]

I love the ridiculous of having every fringe party standings next to the main stream parties 

My vote goes to Elmo but the bottle guy makes some good points

[21st Century Man]

Nobody deserved to win tonight.

[Taaroa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJzW_gFoXR0

[Yorkshire pud]

Nobody deserved to win tonight.

Overall, yes and unlikely to happen. The weird thing being, Corbyn might win with a minority and try to get a coilition (as could May). May miscalculated in calling this, and it could all backfire, they're neck and neck at this time. The other weird thing, it could unravel the Brexit thing, though unlikely. Certainly delay it. But the good news is Farage and UKIP is even less relevant than it was yesterday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2017/results

[Yorkshire pud]

I love the ridiculous of having every fringe party standings next to the main stream parties 

My vote goes to Elmo but the bottle guy makes some good points

Most lose their deposits.

[whoozit]

I love the ridiculous of having every fringe party standings next to the main stream parties 

My vote goes to Elmo but the bottle guy makes some good points

Looks like the guy dressed as Boss Hogg won first prize at the costume contest.

[K_Dubb]

OK I watched a day or so of election coverage and don't want to hear any more about the infantilization of US politics.  A 20-point swing in a matter of weeks just because the lady in charge scorned to debate Elmo and Lord Fishfinger?  You guys are a fickle rabble nursed on platitudes and weaned on tabloid fodder.

[Yorkshire pud]

OK I watched a day or so of election coverage and don't want to hear any more about the infantilization of US politics.  A 20-point swing in a matter of weeks just because the lady in charge scorned to debate Elmo and Lord Fishfinger?  You guys are a fickle rabble nursed on platitudes and weaned on tabloid fodder.

Shit I genuinely wish it was that simple. Let's go back a year. The Brexit vote happened and the decision to get out of the EU went through its first stage. The pro brexiters in typical disingenuous tones, said that nothing had changed and the economy hadn't tanked; A bit like the captain of an unproven boat saying they're going to be perfectly safe at the destination while still tied up in harbour.

Cameron and Osborne resigned,  the hitherto home sec Theresa May was made Tory leader and stood behind the result (not really having a choice). Much bullshit was said about how the UK could negotiate to get a good deal; If anyone has ever left a club and abided to its rules and then left it, has managed to tell the club how to run itself afterwards, I'll show you unicorns giving milk.

Now, for all his initial none committal stance on it, Corbyn also came around to supporting it. Corbyn was seen as a bad joke, even by his own MP's! His main support coming from new party members (mainly young people) ironically as a result of a rule brought in, about membership and ability to vote on party matters in his predecessors tenure.

UKIP now an irrelevance, (they are a one policy party) and so their membership, council members and prospective MP's fell away.

May completely miscalculated and called this snap election, fully expecting that former UKIP voters would go Tory....naaaa. Even though in come constituencies they did deals whereby the UKIP candidate didn't stand,  on the understanding the Tory one would win against Labour. This would demolish Labour, Corbyn would get sacked and Torys would have majority of about 200...

That didn't happen because the Tory strategists  are stupid. They forgot why Brexit happened the way it did. Only London, Scotland and NI voted to stay in the EU. Everywhere else voted to get out...and most of the cities of high population vote Labour, and have for years. The Torys assumed I'm sure that Brexit meant loyalty to the tories because Theresa had promised they'd be brilliant.

Unlike the USA, the UK don't register to a political party. No-one asks who you vote for to establish your ability to walk and talk at the same time, your sex life or your worth as a human. It happens on the day of the election. Politicians kid themselves they have their finger on the pulse, but they don't. Far from it.

So we have a Labour party who went on the ticket of protecting jobs, social care for the elderly and how the tories would dismantle the NHS. The tories' past history shows they don't have much of a hand trying to say they wouldn't.

The former UKIP voters split down the middle voted for both, good for Labour but not so good for the Conservatives as their lead wasn't enough, not nearly enough. Voters lie about who they'll vote for, and many more genuinely don't decide until the day.

The timing was very bad for May too. She invited Trump for a state visit, Trump isn't popular in the UK, and his revolting attempt to make a political point after the Manchester and London attacks made it worse. May is seen as his friend, even though she's been trying to distance herself from him directly for weeks.

Now we have a government who has asked the DUP (anti homosexual, anti abortion and climate change deniers) to form a coilition with her. Oh dear....her (remaining) MP's are livid. She'll be out soon, certainly by the conference in the autumn. Leaving the straw headed buffoon Johnson to throw his hat in....

Corbyn is also in a weird position because the MP's who were hoping he'd tank and therefore be sacked now have to say with a straight face they think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Interesting times.....

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts0xfdrh6CU

[K_Dubb]

Shit I genuinely wish it was that simple...

Thanks for the analysis.  Are you saying there was no 20-point swing in a matter of weeks, or that it was masked somehow by lying to pollsters?  To me that suggests a volatile electorate, easily swayed by superficiality.

[Dr. MD MD]

volatile electorate, easily swayed by superficiality.

That's you watching the news every night.  :

[Yorkshire pud]

Thanks for the analysis.  Are you saying there was no 20-point swing in a matter of weeks, or that it was masked somehow by lying to pollsters?  To me that suggests a volatile electorate, easily swayed by superficiality.

Its been years* since the polls in the UK general elections reflected the outcome. The last coalition happened because the Lib Dems came good, and at one point were tipped for a landslide victory, unheard of.

I don't think they're swayed in a few weeks, I think its a culmination and then it ends up being 'give me a good reason why I should vote for you, even though I did last time" Remember also May was not the PM at the election before the Brexit vote, not that popular even by her own side. Despite their denials, Tory MP's are generally misogynists.

* A lot of constituencies haven't changed their colours in decades, its just a case of a) how many will turn out to vote, and b) how much of that percentage will they wiin.

[K_Dubb]

Its been years* since the polls in the UK general elections reflected the outcome. The last coalition happened because the Lib Dems came good, and at one point were tipped for a landslide victory, unheard of.

I don't think they're swayed in a few weeks, I think its a culmination and then it ends up being 'give me a good reason why I should vote for you, even though I did last time" Remember also May was not the PM at the election before the Brexit vote, not that popular even by her own side. Despite their denials, Tory MP's are generally misogynists.

* A lot of constituencies haven't changed their colours in decades, its just a case of a) how many will turn out to vote, and b) how much of that percentage will they wiin.

Well thanks, that's better than I got from Sky and the BBC, enduring hours of ridiculous accents and flashy political cant.  Still can't shake the impression you've gone and kneecapped yourselves on a whim.

[Zetaspeak]

What I am curious is what's the deal with the merging party Northern Ireland party (Democratic Unionist) which doesn't sound RW at all in name, but been told they are. How  nuts are there. Are they bonkers right or just annoying right lol? Is there any chance that the DU is so far right that sitting Tory will leave the party (can they do that) and push it back to a minority?

Talk about every seat counting because those seem like the only two RW parties in all of the UK who got seats (Simpsons' Nelson HAHA to UKIP) but six left of center parties. I will always say the French 50% run off elections is the fairest elections out there. That or ranked ballots.

[21st Century Man]

What I am curious is what's the deal with the merging party Northern Ireland party (Democratic Unionist) which doesn't sound RW at all in name, but been told they are. How  nuts are there. Are they bonkers right or just annoying right lol? Is there any chance that the DU is so far right that sitting Tory will leave the party (can they do that) and push it back to a minority?

Talk about every seat counting because those seem like the only two RW parties in all of the UK who got seats (Simpsons' Nelson HAHA to UKIP) but six left of center parties. I will always say the French 50% run off elections is the fairest elections out there. That or ranked ballots.

That's the way GA elects their politicians.  In a crowded field, if no one can get 50% then the top two candidates go into a run-off election.  The Ossoff-Handel congressional race is an example of that.

[SredniVashtar]

I am always happy to explain democracy to citizens of a banana republic. I think it's only a matter of time before the orange one waddles out, covered in gold braid, asking to be called 'General Trump'.

We don't form governments based on opinion polls, we have what are called 'elections' where people publish 'manifestos' telling the country what they are planning to do. Then there is something called an 'election campaign' where people get a chance to understand the political arguments. May couldn't be bothered to campaign very hard and relied on the polls, while Corbyn got out there and made his case. This nation isn't fickle as Labour had a small but significant increase since the previous election (the real indicator you should be watching) while the Tories had a small decline. Don't confuse expectations with actual results.

People took a look at what they had to offer and made a choice. It's the first time in nearly three decades that people have had a real choice rather than government by focus group. Everyone was against Corbyn in the media but ignored the fact that his supporters loved him and this translated to the wider country. In that third world dump you'd be bleating on about the bias of the faje news media, but it's just a reflection of the class system,when even journalists who see themselves as on the left didn't hold many socialist views. The election was surprising but also rather inspiring. It's good to see people voting for positive reasons for once.

[Taaroa]

She'll be out soon, certainly by the conference in the autumn. Leaving the straw headed buffoon Johnson to throw his hat in....

As much as I detest Boris, I think the buffoonery thing is just an act for the public. He seems like a shrewd enough political operator to have gotten into a position ready to become PM after being London's mayor, but was smart enough to not swallow the poison pill that was becoming leader after David Cameron resigned and in the immediate fallout of the Brexit vote.

I might not like Sadiq Khan either, but at least he seems to have helped kill off Boris' vanity project bridge over the Thames.

[K_Dubb]

I am always happy to explain democracy to citizens of a banana republic. I think it's only a matter of time before the orange one waddles out, covered in gold braid, asking to be called 'General Trump'.

We don't form governments based on opinion polls, we have what are called 'elections' where people publish 'manifestos' telling the country what they are planning to do. Then there is something called an 'election campaign' where people get a chance to understand the political arguments. May couldn't be bothered to campaign very hard and relied on the polls, while Corbyn got out there and made his case. This nation isn't fickle as Labour had a small but significant increase since the previous election (the real indicator you should be watching) while the Tories had a small decline. Don't confuse expectations with actual results.

People took a look at what they had to offer and made a choice. It's the first time in nearly three decades that people have had a real choice rather than government by focus group. Everyone was against Corbyn in the media but ignored the fact that his supporters loved him and this translated to the wider country. In that third world dump you'd be bleating on about the bias of the faje news media, but it's just a reflection of the class system,when even journalists who see themselves as on the left didn't hold many socialist views. The election was surprising but also rather inspiring. It's good to see people voting for positive reasons for once.

Haha you're cute, Shreddy.  I am trying to imagine what kind of positive choice united ovine university students and benighted UKIPers behind the kind of wheezing old revolutionary we've largely forgotten.  Smells like a protest vote, barely more creditable than Buckethead.  But I'd expect as much from the people who thought a carnival ride looked good on the skyline of their capital.