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DNA testing companies/ads: race, ethnicity, disease

Started by albrecht, December 09, 2016, 09:14:05 PM

albrecht

Seeing a lot of commercials for "ancestry.com" and other outfits that sell you the neat idea of getting your DNA anaylsis, or Christmas soon, giving a DNA search gift for a relative. And "find out" your ancestry, roots, etc. And others who advertise other motives: "who is your daddy" etc. Some random thoughts:
1) what do they do with your DNA sample once the analysis is done?
2) is this idea of determining your "ancestry" a good idea for society?* Could it cause divisiveness, "racism," or family problems (but you always told me X was daddy or we were from Y country?) Or could it help "bring the country together"- "see everybody is a mix of various backgrounds?"
3) is that DNA sample or information sold to data-mining companies, medical companies, insurance companies, or governments?
4) is that DNA sample or information able to be discovered in civil or criminal proceedings? Or by your insurance company or doctor?
5) what is the liability on these companies for errors? (You might think you have more prevalence for a genetically disposition for a disease- or not and not get screened, you might find discrepancies with regard to parents, etc?)

*a friend got one done and contrary to "family stories" for generations there was no Indian (native American) found in her sample. The dark hair and looks that poped up sometimes in the family looks were, apparently, from Italian/Spanish etc blood. Technically, this could've screwed up some minor scholarships for her (like that infamous Democratic Senator who claimed "Indian blood" based on "high-cheek bones) a lot of people in Oklahoma etc claim to have Indian in their blood. Lots do, of course but maybe not as many as claimed.

Dr. MD MD

I'd be interested to find out but won't for the reasons you mention.  ;)

when i had my DNA tested, i found out that i'm the true king of Westeros.  ;)

albrecht

Quote from: Evil Twin Of Zen on December 09, 2016, 11:11:49 PM
when i had my DNA tested, i found out that i'm the true king of Westeros.  ;)
Not Ginnungagap? I don't know gaming or whatever that is but old stuff, some.  ;)

Back to the subject, this article from years ago seems to have gone nowhere. Hmmm. Even after the FBI and other labs scandals. Hmmm.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18dna.html


Heh, heh, heh.    ;)

I've suspected this from the beginning of seeing Ancestry, and 23 & Me, ads...

"  The researchers say it will take only about 2 percent of an adult population having their DNA profiled in a database before it becomes theoretically possible to trace any person’s distant relativesâ€"and therefore, to uncover their identity.  "

https://gizmodo.com/ancestry-sites-could-soon-expose-nearly-anyones-identit-1829685818

So, not only do you have to worry about being genetically profiled if you do this, but also if a close relative does this.


"  Let’s be clear here. 23andMe definitely is selling your data to third party companies, research institutions and nonprofits. But it is not selling your genetic data to those entities in order for them to sell you things. It is selling de-identified, aggregate data for research, if you give them consent. "
https://gizmodo.com/23andme-is-selling-your-data-but-not-how-you-think-1794340474
and
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601506/23andme-sells-data-for-drug-search/

https://healdove.com/health-care-industry/Should-I-Get-At-Home-Genetic-Testing

Q4 - https://www.wired.com/2015/10/familial-dna-evidence-turns-innocent-people-into-crime-suspects/

Still not concerned ?
Consider this...
"  New breach: Ancestry service "RootsWeb" had almost 300k email addresses and plain text passwords compromised in 2015. 57% were already in @haveibeenpwned. Read more: https://t.co/gSOwv23poS  "

https://www.hackread.com/ancestry-rootsweb-breach-plaintext-accounts-leaked/

https://globalnews.ca/news/2879276/privacy-risks-lurk-in-dna-tests-experts-warn/

https://dna-explained.com/2018/06/05/myheritage-data-breach/

Another interesting point to consider:


Winston also noted a handful of other issues that further complicate the question of ownership. Since we share much of our DNA with our relatives, he warned, “Even if you’ve never used Ancestry.com, but one of your genetic relatives has, the company may already own identifiable portions of your DNA.” Theoretically, that means information about your genetic makeup could make its way into the hands of insurers or other interested parties, whether or not you’ve sent the company your spit. (Maryam Zaringhalam explored some related risks in a recent Slate article.) Further, Winston notes that Ancestry’s customers waive their legal rights, meaning that they cannot sue the company if their information gets used against them in some way.
"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/05/23/ancestrydna_s_terms_and_conditions_sparked_a_debate_about_ownership_of_genetic.html

Still not enough to deter you ?
Then think about genetically tailored Bio-Weapons not only for you, but for members of your family.
https://projectcensored.org/16-human-genome-project-opens-the-door-to-ethnically-specific-bioweapons/   

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n6p24_Weber.html

The above articles deal with ethnic cleansing and are from almost 10 & 20 years ago. Think what could be accomplished once the process of genetic isolation for specific targets becomes refined.
Now, think about chem-trails as a delivery vector, or maybe the annual flu shot they push hard every year.
(If you look closely at the posted articles, you will see the Rockefeller Institute popping up as a sponsor of these programs.)

Now, throw this into the mix...      https://gizmodo.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-crispr-the-new-tool-1702114381      :o

starrmtn001

I've never had my DNA tested, at least not to my knowledge.


Jackstar

My scoop mark is still gone--there's a very slight amount of discoloration in the area where it once was, but really only visible in certain light angles.


Quote from: StarrMountain on October 15, 2018, 03:12:05 PM
I've never had my DNA tested, at least not to my knowledge.


ItsOver

I'll bet the Indians are really getting worried, after Warren's revelation.  ;) ;D

http://youtu.be/mAKOs1Zm5Fo

Quote from: (Sandman) Logan-5 on October 15, 2018, 01:30:03 PM
Heh, heh, heh.    ;)

I've suspected this from the beginning of seeing Ancestry, and 23 & Me, ads...

"  The researchers say it will take only about 2 percent of an adult population having their DNA profiled in a database before it becomes theoretically possible to trace any person’s distant relativesâ€"and therefore, to uncover their identity.  "

https://gizmodo.com/ancestry-sites-could-soon-expose-nearly-anyones-identit-1829685818

So, not only do you have to worry about being genetically profiled if you do this, but also if a close relative does this.


"  Let’s be clear here. 23andMe definitely is selling your data to third party companies, research institutions and nonprofits. But it is not selling your genetic data to those entities in order for them to sell you things. It is selling de-identified, aggregate data for research, if you give them consent. "
https://gizmodo.com/23andme-is-selling-your-data-but-not-how-you-think-1794340474
and
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601506/23andme-sells-data-for-drug-search/

https://healdove.com/health-care-industry/Should-I-Get-At-Home-Genetic-Testing

Q4 - https://www.wired.com/2015/10/familial-dna-evidence-turns-innocent-people-into-crime-suspects/

Still not concerned ?
Consider this...
"  New breach: Ancestry service "RootsWeb" had almost 300k email addresses and plain text passwords compromised in 2015. 57% were already in @haveibeenpwned. Read more: https://t.co/gSOwv23poS  "

https://www.hackread.com/ancestry-rootsweb-breach-plaintext-accounts-leaked/

https://globalnews.ca/news/2879276/privacy-risks-lurk-in-dna-tests-experts-warn/

https://dna-explained.com/2018/06/05/myheritage-data-breach/

Another interesting point to consider:


Winston also noted a handful of other issues that further complicate the question of ownership. Since we share much of our DNA with our relatives, he warned, “Even if you’ve never used Ancestry.com, but one of your genetic relatives has, the company may already own identifiable portions of your DNA.” Theoretically, that means information about your genetic makeup could make its way into the hands of insurers or other interested parties, whether or not you’ve sent the company your spit. (Maryam Zaringhalam explored some related risks in a recent Slate article.) Further, Winston notes that Ancestry’s customers waive their legal rights, meaning that they cannot sue the company if their information gets used against them in some way.
"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/05/23/ancestrydna_s_terms_and_conditions_sparked_a_debate_about_ownership_of_genetic.html

Still not enough to deter you ?
Then think about genetically tailored Bio-Weapons not only for you, but for members of your family.
https://projectcensored.org/16-human-genome-project-opens-the-door-to-ethnically-specific-bioweapons/   

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n6p24_Weber.html

The above articles deal with ethnic cleansing and are from almost 10 & 20 years ago. Think what could be accomplished once the process of genetic isolation for specific targets becomes refined.
Now, think about chem-trails as a delivery vector, or maybe the annual flu shot they push hard every year.
(If you look closely at the posted articles, you will see the Rockefeller Institute popping up as a sponsor of these programs.)

Now, throw this into the mix...      https://gizmodo.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-crispr-the-new-tool-1702114381      :o

“Advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool” -PNAC neocon demons

It's a good thing (((they))) share a lot of European DNA... r...right?

Jackstar

The Echthroi are not even carbon-based. All biowarfare is a scam.

Quote from: Jackstar on October 15, 2018, 09:44:13 PM
All biowarfare is a scam.

"researchers have recognized that the entire immune system is very much a part of a functional CNS, with vital roles in cognition, injury repair, neurodegenerative disease, and sensory systems. "

"mice without T cells are slower to learn in a water maze-based test of memory.1 The researchers could restore normal cognitive abilities to these mice by injecting them with wild-type T cells."

"When the researchers selectively depleted monocytes, the mice developed more amyloid-β plaques in the cortex and hippocampus.14 And when they knocked out the innate immune signaling protein MyD88, which mediates signals from several monocyte-activating receptors, the mice also experienced more amyloid-β accumulation, accompanied by accelerated cognitive decline"

"Kipnis says regulation of stress may be linked to T cells’ role in learning. Stress can signal macrophages to secrete proinflammatory cytokines, some of which block a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), which astrocytes need to support learning and memory"

"In mice whose meninges are depleted of CD4+ T cells and thus deficient for IL-4, macrophages secrete proinflammatory factors unchecked in times of stress, disrupting their ability to learn and form memories"

"mice lacking B and T cells were less social: while control mice spent more time investigating other mice than inanimate objects, immune-deficient mice had no preference."

"Mice deficient in mast cells display deficits in hippocampal neurogenesis as well as in spatial learning. The animals also appeared more anxious,"

https://www.the-scientist.com/features/immune-system-maintains-brain-health-32616

Immune jacking sure does have a lot of potential for creating cognitive bottlenecks in populations, sure hope them multinationals don't find out, we'd probably see free vaccines and npcs *everywhere*.


Jackstar

Do you remember when Ed Dames said there was going to be a worldwide plague of toxic mold? That happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycotoxin

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC164220/


It's everywhere, and it's one more thing stressing the defense systems of every organism in the biosphere. Like the plutonium that's everywhere, and of course, the fluoride that's everywhere. (I suppose the mercury is mostly only in the oceans and the vaccines, though.)

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