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Quote from: GravitySucks on June 08, 2018, 08:50:13 AM
You have to love the blossoming Ford political dynasty.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/doug-ford-conservatives-majority-ontario-government/

Yeah, there's a movie in all of that somewhere.

That said the Ford's had nothing to do with cannabis legalization...it's this guy!! Look out Bollywood!!

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Quote from: Juan on June 08, 2018, 07:59:12 AM
I still don’t understand the maple leaf flag. The year they changed, the Leafs were 4th in a six team league. The Canadiens won the cup - why not a Hab flag.

Sigh....it's about maple syrup, maple trees, or hell I don't know, not hockey. It's a horrible flag anyway.

Not to worry though....a new Canadian flag is coming soon 

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Quote from: GravitySucks on June 07, 2018, 08:05:19 PM
Don’t listen to her. She is Canadian.

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Quote from: DaveSchraderInteresting to read what people want or expect from a show or it's host.

If you only knew how may emails and comments I get about,
" Just get to the guest, nobody tunes in to hear the host blather on or try to paint a mental picture for an audience. Let the guest shine and if they are strong they will get us to where we want to go. Just just up and guide, don't insert yourself."

For the record, it is 11pm to 2am when I broadcast, from my home studio, all alone, with one single bulb illuminating my night. So it is Midnight for me....and although I do not live in the desert our show originated and it's cornerstone station is there.

As far as the way I host, I try to show respect for the topics and guests. Solid guests are often retisent to do shows like ours for fear of being ridiculed, treated tongue in cheek like most main stream media.

To let ones Hair Down, one must have hair. Lol

But in all seriousness, when we cut loose on Darkness Radio we get compared to college radio and told to act more polished, professional.  Again, a case of half the people want it one way, half a totally different way.

It's funny as I read how much people disliked Heather or her hosting then get told that they prefer the way she hosted and her "trainwreck" approach.

The good thing is, we coexist. If you like train wreck radio you have a place to go for it, if you want some one to treat the topics with respect, prepared and able to move a 3 hour conversation without the need to cry, seek pity or blather on about cats and treat listeners with respect even when we disagree, then you have a show for that too.

I will continue to read constructive criticism and make adjustments where I can.

Thanks to all of you for your collective patience and general sense of support.

Truthfully I wish people would move past the title of the show and appreciate the program on the whole, escapism from every day topics covered every where else. It shouldn't matter if it's Midnight in the Desert or Midday at the Beach. Most people listen during the day anyway to replay.

This is the show title...it is what it is...I guess I can try to sound more insane and gravelly voiced, bit it seems all that will lead to is complaints for sounding like Art and Heather.

I wonder if this is how Schizophrenia starts? Lol

DS

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 06, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
No disrespect but none of that's important. Like the diet coke chick said, Just do you, whatever that is.

^^ THIS

Good Dave...just be YOU and keep doing what you are doing.

It seems that some of the "vaguely lovable's" here are caught in a time warp of what Art Bell brought to the airwaves when he was on top of his game/genre in the early '90's when his topic was "fringe" and no one else was doing what he did.

There was tremendous magic in that. Art essentially married radio to early technology/internet and changed the landscape of both interactive radio. That said, that was then and we are here now.

Art IMHO never held the same caliber of radio and somehow as far as I can remember it started somewhere around 1998 with his interview with David Icke. Fast forwarding, he seemed to become more impatient with many things, including his show...perhaps his personal issues and then at some point around 911 decided to call many of his loyal listeners "wing nuts". Even one of his anchor "take a ride" guests/friends John Lear took great exception to that.

Then came the "quittenings", the teases...the "my bad back" when he wouldn't do a show, however he was on ham radio all night.

SO, without me writing a novel here, no one will ever be Art Bell as he was in his prime. IMHO that lasted from about 1994 - 1998/9 give or take. It was all down hill from there in varied aspects.

Folks seem to want to remember just the good stuff...and not all the not so good.

Be yourself...make this show what you want it to be and forget about those who seem to want you to be the next Art Bell.

Art left a great and sometimes not so great legacy in this genre, however today there are more than a plethora of programs, radio, TV that are covering these topics. The playing field is not the same as it was in the early good days of Art Bell.

Lastly, loving your show to date.

Keep it on relative to where and how you want to take it....what the future you see....and just be YOU.

Thank you for bringing some magic and electricity back to the airwaves at night and to those who catch up during the day    

Quote from: albrecht on May 30, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
I don't know. How many here believed all the guests and the stuff? Sure some guests with more legit stuff or when it was political back and forth but, for the most part, it was entertainment. And fun stuff to listen too on a long drive, going to sleep, after a party, etc. It was the delivery and the content, not the person for many,at least me? I know it is a tired argument, especially these days in no privacy and SJWs, but are certain movies, people, politicians, or historical figures abandoned because they might have been flawed, especially when viewed in a modern context? It would appear so but I find that bad, for the most part. Can the "art" be separated from the artist's life? I can though admit, sometimes, it is troubling when you learn some really bad stuff about people.

Yeah, but......a guest is just a guest.

Art always said he tried to do a show where the listener was able to make up their own mind about what was presented.

That said, not so much for Art.

He had us believe that he was who he presented himself to be...his persona that he projected....he, Ramona, his cats...all his seeming vulnerable moments...ie falling off his porch, lips glued etc....was any of this true? ...or was it just "good radio" to "chump us up"?

I would hate to believe that the whole "ride" was a shtick....but hey, maybe it was....guests and Art....

Quote from: Jocko Johnson on May 30, 2018, 06:29:14 PM
THE FOLLOWING IS PURELY A HYPOTHETICAL AND FICTIONAL NARRATIVE. ANY CHARACTERS ARE FICITIOUS AND ANY RESEMBLANCE TO ANY REAL PERSON OR PERSONS LIVING OR DEAD OR TIMES AND PLACES IS ABSOLUTELY AND PURELY COINCIDENTIAL...JJ.

Let's see if we can blow the lid off this...
As the plot thickens and the lies begin to pile up. Let us look at some facts as we know them & dates, we got some folks here that know this shit inside out...here then is my questions.

When all the alledged terror attacks and threatening phone calls were being made to AB was HW already living there? If so what was her actual involvement? Was it a plan to make it easier for him to exit and her to make noticable and sensational entrance, (free publicity. No blitz needed) to the airwaves?  Was it a plan by who knows, let's say someone who maybe a few slices short of the whole pizza pie, someone who had indeared herself to a sex 'cumsumed' old gent, someone who's lifelong dream in a maybe not so normal mind to give anything and everything to "have a radio show and be a broadcaster." Remember wasn't it Dr. Munchy Cuckoo who was on the show, (yes? we can ck the date) when AB had shots fired at him according to the story? HW claimed "she was home and AB called her to give the details. So when, (what were the dates when the gun play all started?) Because HW was so worried and shaken she was like a basket case and didn't she say she called the cops!? From California or Parhump Nev and the cuckshed next door?
Then AB had the talk with the family and decided it was over, the young child so frightened found hiding under the bed (no word from the nut, the shooter ever again...AB did not accept the many offers of help and assistance from listener who were involved in this sort of work...security, military and LE.) Was HW sitting at the table in the AB compound main HQ drinking java and smoking butts with the family helping to make this decision? The replacement seemed to be on the spot and ready to just slide  right in. Perhaps some of the sorrow and grief was now from watching this epic plan falling down around her ears when AB entered the next life. Was or is HW afraid that perhaps an associate or 2, or 3 may turn rat?

We need someone who knows how to go through all the posts, fb crap etc and make out a time line or as we would say in Brooklyn a scorecard, because u can't tell the players without one. Maybe that's why the local constabulary was not very cooperative since they felt they were being played...maybe along with all of us?

What say you? Quite a tale...we just need the correct dates to see if the puzzle pieces all fit.

No doubt that we were all played, for a very LONG time.

When it began, who the hell knows.

Art is dead and he took his "quickenings", "quitenings", "teasanings" with him after he played them all to the max, while playing all. Guess he was a many faceted "Master"...not just one of the airwaves.
So, what are we going to learn that we don't already know?...except his autopsy report? and what HW was truly doing at Art's house  and her relationship to Art?

Yeah, I want to know, however what do we do with it if/when we do know? ...if ever?

Guess this may be a warrant for full BG disclosure...but then what?   

Quote from: Father Jack on May 30, 2018, 06:41:39 PM
Chumps is perhaps the kindest term.

Not sure Father....guess there is something in the "human condition" that most all feel a need to have "heroes" or "gods" in various spectrums.
History has proven time and time again IMHO that most humans are "chumps" for whatever they chump for.
Maybe there's some potential for "ChumpGab" somewhere out there....   

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 30, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
Bellgabbers

+1....LOL...yup...

Quote from: Aquarius on May 30, 2018, 05:30:40 PM
The only issue with your take on this is that you are dropping out/ignoring the clear signs of both HW's and Art's sociopathic tendencies, evidenced in so many known details about them (ignoring speculation here) it would be too laborious to document here. Sociopath doesn'tmean killer, btw, it means someone who has an inability to empathize with other people, who can't feel real feelings for others. If they wanted to have an affair (I suspect they likely were, just a specualtion), neither of them would have taken others' feelings into consideration, but would have put their attention on how to do what they pleased and not get caught... or if Airyn knew, to have her acquiesce happily or not. We don't know their private dynamics, but this really looks like garden-variety sociopathy and/or narcissism, a different flavor of personality disorder. Not criminals, but not warm and fuzzy for others' feelings in any way. Just my two cents.

+1
So what do we call those who follow and seem to be obsessed with following sociopaths, what they do or don't...just asking for a friend... 

Quote from: SaucyRossy on May 25, 2018, 06:34:34 PM
There are too many midnights in a desert.

LOL...ya think? 

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 25, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
Moi?

And your "Who's" is what?

And yes, "Vous".   

Whatever....yeah, have Dave and Win wade through all the crap, unrelated whatevers....don't forget the tons of videos making y'all feel super clever/witty/more disgusting   ...maybe make them read the Senda thread from the beginning....and don't forget the GNS thread.

That's really going to help them try to make this show great.

Carry on...

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on May 25, 2018, 06:09:08 PM
Yes!

It is a grand idea and long over due.  With Schrader stuff dumped over into his own gnarl thread, many of the posts in the Heather thread
will dry up and Senda can rightfully become of the King of Bellgab post count once more.

Can you bloody well go back to the Senda thread? What does Senda have to do with Dave?!!? ...'nuff already for trying to be a smart ass.

What' s wrong with you and some of you people??

Quote from: FlarpsWife on May 25, 2018, 06:13:52 PM
+1

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 25, 2018, 06:10:53 PM
Who’s?

Ask MD and don't FU this thread.

Quote from: Metron2267 on May 25, 2018, 06:07:09 PM
Freyja makes a fair point, Dave tends to vacillate between being the good cop and bad cop in the course of an interview.

That said Atwater was all over the road and apparently so caffeinated that he had his hands full guiding the conversation.

I don't think we can expect quite the same type of intimacy an Art Bell interview engendered as they are two vastly different broadcasters.

Thanks for coming on this new thread Metron

I am hoping that if Dave truly wants to get good feedback that he can get it in this thread without wading through all the other xxxx.

Anyway, yeah...Atwater seemed a bit loopy at times, yet I felt there were opportunities missed.

I agree, I don't think we will ever see/hear the same "intimacy" that Art seemed to have/project, however that said, I'm hoping for some.
I like to hear a conversation about what may be possible with intelligent conversation, sharing of experience, stories told...NOT what may have been perceived as a quest to prove or disprove anything. That's what "wanna take a ride" was all about.

That said, Dave never has stated what his "vision" is for the show....other than he won't try to be Art Bell. Maybe I missed it.

I'm paying now...let's see how long.   

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on May 25, 2018, 06:03:18 PM
No!

Why?

Think that mebbe Dave and Ms Winni need a thread of their own, free from all the other HLW and Art is dead chat....a place that is theirs for comments, chat during the show, before, after that is more easy to follow.

Yeah, know this likely will go down like a lead balloon...

http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=12178.new#new

Thinks it's time for Dave to have his own thread without all the Heather Wade and Art Bell BS.

I am starting this thread for Dave's MITD, for his take on the genre, for his shows, his and Ms Win's input, for feedback, conversation and chat before, during/about  Dave's show and not the whole shitload for anyone else in the MITD debacle....yeah, but this site is not known for that.

Let me start off.

I just listened to the show with Atwater. It was a great subject and one I was looking forward to, however my impression from the interview made me visualize that Dave was in some interrogation room with Atwater.

Dave you had some great questions, however the feel of the show was just like I wrote above. It really wasn't a conversation, however more of an interrogation. Overall the program was ok. however my suggestion to you is to make it more like an exploration with the guest vs a more interrogative style.

What I am missing in your shows to date is the feeling that you are sitting in your own home with whatever "guest", person ..asking the questions that you/we seek vs those that you feel your audience wants or will scrutinize you for. Art was a master at this, BS or not.   

If any of you think this is a good idea, then please use this thread going forward.

If not ...carry on..BRAAPs and many tide pods.

Quote from: Catsmile on May 21, 2018, 06:09:01 PM
No one is asking you to except anything. However you are apparently demanding your "norms" be excepted as the high and mighty standard by which all else is judged.

OMG...I am laughing so hard I can barely type. It seems your logic, comprehension and thought process is up to the same depth and standard of your proficiency of the English language and spelling:

except = not including, other than
accept = receive with approval or favor

QuoteSorry the world isn't up to your ideal standards. Most of us have to live within the real world, and how it actually works. Which gives a framework of understanding and empathy, from which to work within. So as to enact meaningful change within ourselves, and other cultures. Without all the high and mighty harsh judgments. As apposed to imagined ideals decreed from upon high, that must be conformed to, else be castigated as lowly unworthy as a culture. Even though you've never even bothered to try to understand other cultures perspectives, much less encourage positive outcomes for those who are "less than" yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't stubbornly cling to such narrow & simplistic views of the world around you.

Understanding and empathy for inhumane cultural norms, belief systems, practices/rituals, ignorance is one thing; acceptance of the perpetuation of these, is quite another. So I guess it's ok for you to make a harsh judgement and assumption of  what you think I think...LMAO..... No high and mighty judgements here at BellGab.
...... hypocrite much?

QuoteYou also seem misguided believing love must be composed of one thing or feeling for all people. Which of course is your ideal of what love is, else it isn't TRUE worthy love. An ideal which is the only standard by which the whole world must be judged. Else it is less than or not real. No two loves are the same for an individual, much less the endless trillions of combinations of potential loves. How lonely you must be in a sea of humanity. Without this basic grasp of how empathy & love works, with it's potential boundless infinities. 

Now you move the goal post away from Irene being able to love Art. Making it about what Art possibility did to Irene. As if the two things are the same. You can't even follow your own train of thought without derailing it. Most likely Arts biggest expectation from love, only extended to how it satiated his hedonistic personality at moment. Which would make it easier going from one person to another as the need suits. Much the same way others use a spoon, fork, or chopsticks without a great deal of compunction.

Welcome to the boomers modern throwaway society. Which some people seem to believe is the cultural apogee, by which all other cultures are measured.

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Desire for benefit and/or self gratification is not love, although one could put it in the bucket of "love of oneself and one's perceived needs".

http://www.thepowerofoneness.com/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-conditional-love-and-unconditional-love/

Quote from: ponyboysunset on May 21, 2018, 08:18:25 AM
Here is an article with pictures and more handwriting of the actual letter Marsha had from Art. (allegedly)
http://www.worldpronews.com/78905/7955/290/dc2f6be3db45c272b4c262f009e3b77fff4f7f22

Good link...thanks...+1

Does anyone have any other pieces of Art's handwriting for comparison?

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Quote from: Catsmile on May 20, 2018, 08:44:52 PM

Answering your first question. Yes it is possible. You don't know what Art said. Nor do you know what another persons ideal of love is, especially from another culture. 

There are "girls" in the RPI who are literally "never been kissed virgins" even though they are 25. Most of those women can have a childlike naivete, due to lack of experience. They literally go from their fathers house to their husbands house, mostly virgins. A fair number of women are in their 30s and virgins, mostly educated, independent, intelligent types. Not all women there are this way, but a larger percentage than you would find in North America. In some ways the RPI is like stepping back in time over 100 years. However, feel free to keep showing your ignorance of other cultures.     

# I am being real.
# And didn't even scratch the surface.
# Things can happen/change fast in the RPI.
# When you've relationships with native Filipinos, tell us more.
# Her motives could be wide ranging.
# I don't have enough information to narrow speculation down.
# No matter her motivations she was his wife.
# If your imagined motivations of her don't meet your moral standards,
# That is your problem, not hers or others.

Just because other cultures find it acceptable to to sell their daughters off to old men just after their first menses at ages between 9 - 11, or to arrange the marriages sight unseen by these young women, does NOT mean I have to agree with them because it is a/their cultural norm.
Genital mutilation in some cultures is accepted, as is killing one's wife  or daughter for disgracing the family...doesn't make it right by any humanitarian barometer.

Love is love....acceptance and/or agreement to a contract or a living arrangement spawned by culture, benefit, opportunity,  is something else, although love could end up being a by-product of such. 

For Art to swoop in on Irene/Airyn barely 3 months after Ramona's passing and for Airyn to encourage or have possibly even instigated this smells. Yeah, sure you can meet someone on the net after loosing the alleged love of your life...after allegedly wanting to kill yourself  ...and then "fall in love" with someone who is 40 years younger than you whom you have never met in person....sure...yup.... 

Quote from: Kizuna Ai on May 20, 2018, 08:23:55 PM
She said he didn't get away with it that time but it shocked her. And this is coming from a woman that went to sex parties and let random dudes fuck her. Where there is smoke there is fire and she caught him with an actual child talking to him about sexual things in his office he wasn't even supposed to be in. Art Bell was a sick fuck and his history of suing people would have kept her from talkign about it. I would expect a lot more to come out now that the old pervert is dead.

She was also 22 years old with 2 small children. Her source of income/support came from Art and the "dating service", until she broke away. She was probably in no position emotionally, financially to stir that pot, however no excuse truly if he was a child sex molester.   

Quote from: bellNwhistle on May 20, 2018, 06:42:52 PM
PBS said a lot of people have decided to stop listening to his old shows. Is that just cuz he’s (now discovered to be) a creep? Or out of solidarity to Vincent? Both?

Both and more.

I turned away from Art when he dismissed what may or may not have happened with 911, when he spooled David Icke and when he became more grumpy and judgemental/impatient on his shows...the point where he was no longer the host he was in the early to mid '90's.

After Ramona passed and what transpired afterward...well don't think I have to go any further.

Then, not knowing his history, even having bought and read "The Art of Talk|, where his children were pretty much excluded, including Vincent, I had a difficult time divorcing the voice in the night that I seemed to so respect and revere...look forward to...and what I was beginning to find out and feel.

Seems that Art at some point lost his manipulative and all encompassing draw in the night for me...he wasn't the same as he was from 1993 to I guess probably the late 90's

That said, he always will be the best late night talk radio host in this genre that we will ever see or hear.

I will remember those memorizing times, when I couldn't wait to take that "ride".

I do thank Art for that....regardless of whatever he was outside of radio...and sadly not anything that most of us ever deemed to be true. 

Quote from: moosie on May 20, 2018, 06:49:53 PM
+1Nicely said Freyja and I am sorry you experienced that.

Thanks moosie.
We all have our journey to navigate...as some of Art's guests in the past have alluded to, perhaps we make that choice to see if we can stand up, learn what we signed up to learn and what perhaps our "soul contracts" are/were...if there is such a thing.

Quote from: ponyboysunset on May 20, 2018, 06:13:00 PM
Great post. I think it hit a lot of us on one emotional level or another.

Thanks PBS. I listened to the first part again tonight and it just made me sad.

Humans for the most part are such POS. 

Quote from: IamNotPickleRick! on May 20, 2018, 06:15:14 PM
heard it here first.  I knew it!  Liberace is Art's son.  Explains why there have never been any MV + (Redacted) rumors.  Although with MV's regular mowing gig at the compound I do wonder why he didn't alert the board sooner to the cuckshed?

Great interview with a person that was pushed into a situation where an unfair amount of obstacles were placed in front of him by another man's inability to just be there for him yet Vincent pushed through to be the dad he never had.

I personally expect the next Gabcast exclusive to be SaucyRossy.  He has a story to tell I believe that will blow the average SewerGabber's mind.

LOL....the plot thickens ...I hope that Liberace is Art's son...or not.

Quote from: Catsmile on May 20, 2018, 05:50:38 PM
Okay, what was Airyn going to do? Art was going to do what Art wanted to do regardless. Seems Art kept Airyn on a short leash. Without much of a local support system other than Arts buddies, who owed Art in many different ways. I could be wrong about that. KNYE Karen is outwardly unhappy with Heather. Why exactly remains somewhat a mystery.

Compounding Airyns lack of a support system. Airyn comes from old school ideals about relationships/marriage. Divorce for them literally wasn't an option, assuming she/he wanted a divorce. Where she comes from a man keeping company with more than one woman, or having more than one family isn't an unheard of concept. Airyn was culpable in that she was a prisoner of her culture and Arts inertia.

Airyn creating a big issue out of Arts deeds, or airing dirty laundry would damage her amor propio, which would lead to experiencing public hiya. It only spirals downward from there. Which is why she might have kept it tago, maybe even from herself somewhat. Defaulting to Bahala Na. Which is ingrained in everyone within her culture from day one.

While the above issues might not seem like a big deal to us 'mericans, it's a HUGE deal within filipino culture. Why it's so culturally important is another dissertation altogether, but trust me it's a huge deal. Which can cause lots of frustration and misunderstandings for Westerners living/visiting the PI.

Airyn don't think like un 'merican, because shes a Pinay. Who's maintaining a proper ladylike facade, despite this mess. You will find a lot of things within Asian cultures are about maintaining face, almost above all else. As apposed to the debasing Honey Boo Boo/Kardashian fits of drama, which currently have become acceptable within 'merica. Thatz just one take on it. I could be wrong.

Amor Propio:
https://www.filipinolessons.com/words/amor-propio-1b1d8.php

Hiya:
https://www.tagalog-dictionary.com/search?word=hiya

Tago:
https://www.tagalogtranslate.com/tl_en/23396/tago

Bahala Na
https://www.tagaloglang.com/bahala-na/

#CultureShock

Nice comprehensive compilation, however get real.

Would any girl/women believe that someone through internet chat is in love with her, less than 3 months after the alleged love of his life is barely cold, regardless of where on the planet they live?

Anyone know how Art really started talking to Irene on the net?

Allegedly Irene/Airyn sent condolences to Art after Ramona's passing, however that hits huge alert buttons for me....pure BS IMHO 

If I had to guess, Art was chatting Irene up and more before Ramona passed. After all, her sister married one of Art's friends...coincidence?

I agree with Marsha....after really thinking about it. Art was a "sexual deviant" and a narcissist. Maybe Ramona didn't care that he was having phone sex in the Phillipines or real sex elsewhere...they obviously were both into whatever they were into, since that seems to be his very long time MO.

I know there have been many theories/suspect posts on the internet after Ramona died, relative to whether Art had anything to do with Ramona's passing...have to wonder...always did 

Excellent GabCast MV.

Honestly you are born for radio...keep that kicking as I see you have a bright future in it, provided opportunity.

I was sad to hear about the experience with your Dad, Vincent and all the other ignored Art children and all who have had to navigate abandonment, abuse and worse. I do understand from my perspective as I also belong to that "club".

Truth is truth and whether it's Art or any other father, they should be called out for the bastard, unfeeling narcissists that they are/were.

Kudos to you, Vincent and to ALL who have had to navigate the journey of rejection, indifference, abandonment, abuse ( emotional, physical, sexual)  etc., or whatever the individual circumstance was and come out the other side with strength, empathy, insight and healing....and to pay the positive forward.

   

Quote from: Sean92008 on May 20, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
I have a theory I haven't seen on BG yet... I can completely understand the probable reason Marsha waited until weeks after Art's death to talk...

She wanted to absolutely make sure she wasn't in the will by some far off chance...

More likely she didn't want Art to take legal action against her.

Why on earth would you think she would expect to be in Art's will? He apparently didn't even include the children he spawned and ignored...why a sex toy whom he used?